Jetfan13 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Loved this kid, lots of energy. What went wrong with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 on a related note Maybin was running last night against scrubs. for all the hype this dude gets, you'd think he could perform against the Eagles 2nd team OL. I guess what I'm saying is Westerman is about equal to Maybin, more or less. I wouldn't mind if the Jets brought back Westy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 probably get him for less then our original offer and if you want faster LB's he fits the bill. Plus was pretty good on specials also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 on a related note Maybin was running last night against scrubs. for all the hype this dude gets, you'd think he could perform against the Eagles 2nd team OL. I guess what I'm saying is Westerman is about equal to Maybin, more or less. I wouldn't mind if the Jets brought back Westy. Yeah except for the sacks and hurries he got during the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yeah except for the sacks and hurries he got during the regular season. Maybin recorded 6 sacks last year, Westerman had 3.5. It's a difference of 2.5 sacks. Neither man is Jared Allen. It was good that alot of Maybin's were strip sacks , he has a knack for that. But all this talk about how great Maybin is, he's still basically a backup. Coples showed way more rush than Maybin did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Maybin recorded 6 sacks last year, Westerman had 3.5. It's a difference of 2.5 sacks. Neither man is Jared Allen. It was good that alot of Maybin's were strip sacks , he has a knack for that. But all this talk about how great Maybin is, he's still basically a backup. Coples showed way more rush than Maybin did. I don't think Maybin is great (I'm not sure most do), but he's a quality contributor as a situational pass rusher. 2.5 more sacks in 3 less games is a pretty decent difference. That doesn't mean Westerman isn't a solid player and doesn't have things he's better at (most notably, special teams), but Maybin is certainly the better rusher of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 on a related note Maybin was running last night against scrubs. for all the hype this dude gets, you'd think he could perform against the Eagles 2nd team OL. I guess what I'm saying is Westerman is about equal to Maybin, more or less. I wouldn't mind if the Jets brought back Westy. Westy was on the Jets for 3 season, in the same scheme under Rex Ray and in those 3 years produced 4.5 sacks. Maybin was sitting at home, got a call, and in 13 games, got 6 sacks, 4 of which were strip sacks. But you find these players equal based on what you saw last night? okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Westy was on the Jets for 3 season, in the same scheme under Rex Ray and in those 3 years produced 4.5 sacks. Maybin was sitting at home, got a call, and in 13 games, got 6 sacks, 4 of which were strip sacks. But you find these players equal based on what you saw last night? okay... I think the fans are exponentially higher on Maybin than Rex is. Rex cut Maybin, buried him on the bench down the stretch last year, and then was playing him into the fourth quarter last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 But you find these players equal based on what you saw last night? okay... well, i did say more or less. Maybin is in fact better. But if he were as good as the hype, he'd produce against the future grocery baggers of America. I don't see this player as drastically different than last year. He has an edge rush. I don't see any more moves and who knows if he ever will be a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Good luck learning the Canadian National Anthem Westerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I think the fans are exponentially higher on Maybin than Rex is. Rex cut Maybin, buried him on the bench down the stretch last year, and then was playing him into the fourth quarter last night. Thats typically the way it goes. They would have tendered him if they werent planning on using him. well, i did say more or less. Maybin is in fact better. But if he were as good as the hype, he'd produce against the future grocery baggers of America. I don't see this player as drastically different than last year. He has an edge rush. I don't see any more moves and who knows if he ever will be a starter. Agreed. He's a one trick Pony but I think he'll get more looks at the QB with the strength of the DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Maybin recorded 6 sacks last year, Westerman had 3.5. It's a difference of 2.5 sacks. Neither man is Jared Allen. It was good that alot of Maybin's were strip sacks , he has a knack for that. But all this talk about how great Maybin is, he's still basically a backup. Coples showed way more rush than Maybin did. er, yeah. Maybin has shown he can pressure the QB pretty well off the edge on passing downs yet seems pretty weak against the run. Westerman like, can't really do either. Glad our #1 overall pick looks better than a back up specialist we signed off waivers last year. Looking for all the talk about how great Maybin is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Maybin is a terrible LB and if we plan on using more true 4-3 fronts there wont be room for one dimentional LB's even his one dimention is not so good half his sacks were coverage sacks the others were good scheme by the coach. I think this guy is a waste of a LB spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 On a per snap basis Maybin was one of the best producing pass rushers last season. No idea if that will translate if he had more snaps though. Westerman was actually our second best rusher which says alot for how crummy our guys are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Are we done with Calvin Pace soon? He seems to have quit 2 years ago. After the whole steroids thing he's been meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 on a related note Maybin was running last night against scrubs. for all the hype this dude gets, you'd think he could perform against the Eagles 2nd team OL. I guess what I'm saying is Westerman is about equal to Maybin, more or less. I wouldn't mind if the Jets brought back Westy. Can we get some draft grades or sleepers for the weekends mini-draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Can we get some draft grades or sleepers for the weekends mini-draft? watching the TE cuts closely. Evan Moore out of Cleveland is an interesting name. former pat Dan Gronk can block. Bears TE Evan Rodriquez or Kyle Adams, one of those two could shake loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Westy was on the Jets for 3 season, in the same scheme under Rex Ray and in those 3 years produced 4.5 sacks. Maybin was sitting at home, got a call, and in 13 games, got 6 sacks, 4 of which were strip sacks. But you find these players equal based on what you saw last night? okay... The Jets already know that Maybin has an effective outside speed rush. There was a lot of talk concerning his ability to become more of an every down player this offseason. That is why he is playing into the 4th quarter against scrubs. He is getting looks in that regard. He is failing that test and it looks like he had better just perfect what he's got. Shake his money maker as they say. But him not being able to really become an every down LB does not remove the fact that he was the best PR on our team last season and his potential in that role only increases when you add Coples, Ellis and potentially Davis to the mix. This talk of him being a wasted roster spot is premature at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Are we done with Calvin Pace soon? He seems to have quit 2 years ago. After the whole steroids thing he's been meh per Jason's site 8.5M saved in cap if cut in 2013...nice right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Maybin is a terrible LB and if we plan on using more true 4-3 fronts there wont be room for one dimentional LB's even his one dimention is not so good half his sacks were coverage sacks the others were good scheme by the coach. I think this guy is a waste of a LB spot. Yeah, 6 sacks, 4 of them strips in 13 games is a total waste of a roster spot. The Jets have a ton of guys making plays like that on the LB'ing core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yeah, 6 sacks, 4 of them strips in 13 games is a total waste of a roster spot. The Jets have a ton of guys making plays like that on the LB'ing core. Once again the guy is a sh*tty LB and a majority of his sacks were coverage sacks. If an offensive player even touches him he cant get off a block. He gets sacks for 2 reasons 1. he beats his man on the edge which we are all aware of or 2 he keeps his motor running and gets a coverage sack. If he could play special teams I would say ok hes worth it but hes flat footed and cant cover or tackle in the open field. If the Jets want to keep him on their roster as a luxury then fine thats their business but we have plenty of LB's and most of our sacks / pressures come from scheme anyhow thats why it seems we moved to more of a 4-3 so we can generate pass rush with 4 rushers and drop more into coverage to help in the middle of the field when Brady and his 2 beast TE's come to town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Once again the guy is a sh*tty LB and a majority of his sacks were coverage sacks. If an offensive player even touches him he cant get off a block. He gets sacks for 2 reasons 1. he beats his man on the edge which we are all aware of or 2 he keeps his motor running and gets a coverage sack. If he could play special teams I would say ok hes worth it but hes flat footed and cant cover or tackle in the open field. If the Jets want to keep him on their roster as a luxury then fine thats their business but we have plenty of LB's and most of our sacks / pressures come from scheme anyhow thats why it seems we moved to more of a 4-3 so we can generate pass rush with 4 rushers and drop more into coverage to help in the middle of the field when Brady and his 2 beast TE's come to town. I'm glad that the Jets have the freedom to make the decision to keep a roster spot for the guy who led the team in sacks last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I'm glad that the Jets have the freedom to make the decision to keep a roster spot for the guy who led the team in sacks last year. lets see what happens man teams got wise to him then he got nothing the last 1/4 of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 lets see what happens man teams got wise to him then he got nothing the last 1/4 of the season. So did the rest of the team. Saying he doesnt deserve a roster spot is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 on a related note Maybin was running last night against scrubs. for all the hype this dude gets, you'd think he could perform against the Eagles 2nd team OL. I guess what I'm saying is Westerman is about equal to Maybin, more or less. I wouldn't mind if the Jets brought back Westy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I'm glad that the Jets have the freedom to make the decision to keep a roster spot for the guy who led the team in sacks last year. Maybin hustled his butt off to get most of those sacks. But they seemed to take forever. He wasn't exceptional off the edge, he just kept chasing and chasing. Stats sometimes lie. I think that's the case here. On the other hand, Westerman had every chance to succeed here but just wasn't stout against the run and was only ok as a pass rusher. I think Bit is right - Maybin is better but it's no biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Once again the guy is a sh*tty LB and a majority of his sacks were coverage sacks. If an offensive player even touches him he cant get off a block. He gets sacks for 2 reasons 1. he beats his man on the edge which we are all aware of or 2 he keeps his motor running and gets a coverage sack. If he could play special teams I would say ok hes worth it but hes flat footed and cant cover or tackle in the open field. If the Jets want to keep him on their roster as a luxury then fine thats their business but we have plenty of LB's and most of our sacks / pressures come from scheme anyhow thats why it seems we moved to more of a 4-3 so we can generate pass rush with 4 rushers and drop more into coverage to help in the middle of the field when Brady and his 2 beast TE's come to town. If all his sacks are because of coverage/scheme then why didn't Pace/Scott/BT/Harris or Westerman have similar numbers in the games played? Certainly the coaches can scheme so that say, Harris can produce the same numbers - no? Or maybe Maybin is just a good PR specialist, period. That is certainly worth holding on to, especially with all of the whining about the lack of pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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