dbatesman Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Yet the Jets have scored more points than the Lions. Our defense and STs are better. Football isn't 1-on-11 dude. /am I doing this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This thread is like boy who cried "Wolf!", over and over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Megatron = at least one Super Bowl? Yeah? Of the top 40 WRs in the league by yardage this season, only 2 have won Super Bowls. Reggie Wayne and Victor Cruz. WR = overrated. Out of curiosity, how many combined SB victories for the top-10 QB's in passing yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Our defense and STs are better. Football isn't 1-on-11 dude. /am I doing this right? Takes away a possession for the offense. Its not that difficult to grasp. The Lions looked liked crap against the 2 good defenses they've faced this year, just like ours did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Out of curiosity, how many combined SB victories for the top-10 QB's in passing yards? 6 of the top 10 QBs have won SBs. They have won 10 SBs. Thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 They have, but I'm going by the standard metric used to rate offenses. Overly simple, but I've been told other stats are too complex... Well if you wanna be a douche then the shoe certainly fits...how many Lions games have you watched this year? How did Stafford look on Monday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well if you wanna be a douche then the shoe certainly fits...how many Lions games have you watched this year? How did Stafford look on Monday? Hurt feelings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hurt feelings? You want to answer the question genius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Takes away a possession for the offense. Its not that difficult to grasp. The Lions looked liked crap against the 2 good defenses they've faced this year, just like ours did. I don't think anyone here believes Stafford is great. He's probably around average to above average and gets bailed out a lot because he has an absolute freak of a WR. He's got a cannon though, which is more than we can say for Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 You want to answer the question genius? Nah. I'd rather just laugh at the fact that your feelings were hurt and move on with my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't think anyone here believes Stafford is great. He's probably around average to above average and gets bailed out a lot because he has an absolute freak of a WR. He's got a cannon though, which is more than we can say for Sanchez. Stafford's a pretty good player. But anyone telling me the Lions offense is extraordinarily better than the Jets just hasnt watched them play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't think anyone here believes Stafford is great. He's probably around average to above average and gets bailed out a lot because he has an absolute freak of a WR. He's got a cannon though, which is more than we can say for Sanchez. i guess last year doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nah. I'd rather just laugh at the fact that your feelings were hurt and move on with my life. Well the shoe certainly fits then. Get lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Stafford's a pretty good player. But anyone telling me the Lions offense is extraordinarily better than the Jets just hasnt watched them play. errr, I guess last year doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well the shoe certainly fits then. Get lost. Life is hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Takes away a possession for the offense. Its not that difficult to grasp. The Lions looked liked crap against the 2 good defenses they've faced this year, just like ours did. Stafford and the Lions looked like crap, sure. But we looked like the worst offense of all-time and Sanchez looked like the worst QB of all-time for 7 quarters against the Steelers and Niners. He looked like crap against Houston, though not as bad as against SF and PIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Think the defense and ST has something to do with that? We have a couple pick 6's and a punt return TD along with the helpful field position. Lions have the 8th ranked defense while the Jets have the 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Lions have the 8th ranked defense while the Jets have the 19th. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Stafford's a pretty good player. But anyone telling me the Lions offense is extraordinarily better than the Jets just hasnt watched them play. Are you telling me you've watched every Lions game and walked away thinking Sanchez is about as good as Stafford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Stafford and the Lions looked like crap, sure. But we looked like the worst offense of all-time and Sanchez looked like the worst QB of all-time for 7 quarters against the Steelers and Niners. He looked like crap against Houston, though not as bad as against SF and PIT. The Lions, including Stafford also looked atrocious against San Francisco and Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Are you telling me you've watched every Lions game and walked away thinking Sanchez is about as good as Stafford? Where have I ever even come remotely close to saying that? Stafford clearly has more natural ability than Sanchez and a better feel for the position. But he does get bailed out a lot by having a freak at WR, playing indoors, and having a soft defense that lets him throw it all over the lot because they play from behind a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Lions have the 8th ranked defense while the Jets have the 19th. This makes no sense then without factoring in next-level statistics that are being shunned here. The Lions can't be top 10 in both offense and defense and be 2-4 and -17 in net points without taking into account opponent. According to FO, the Lions have the 8th-ranked offense and 18th-ranked defense by DVOA. We're 26th and 15th, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Where have I ever even come remotely close to saying that? Stafford clearly has more natural ability than Sanchez and a better feel for the position. But he does get bailed out a lot by having a freak at WR, playing indoors, and having a soft defense that lets him throw it all over the lot because they play from behind a ton. their defense is 8th. Jets are 17th or whatevs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This makes no sense then without factoring in next-level statistics that are being shunned here. The Lions can't be top 10 in both offense and defense and be 2-4 and -17 in net points without taking into account opponent. According to FO, the Lions have the 8th-ranked offense and 18th-ranked defense by DVOA. We're 26th and 15th, respectively. damn you and your DVOA rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Lions have the 8th ranked defense while the Jets have the 19th. No, the Lions are 8th in yards allowed and the Jets are 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This makes no sense then without factoring in next-level statistics that are being shunned here. The Lions can't be top 10 in both offense and defense and be 2-4 and -17 in net points without taking into account opponent. According to FO, the Lions have the 8th-ranked offense and 18th-ranked defense by DVOA. We're 26th and 15th, respectively. And this lines up nicely with QB play. Stafford ranks 10th in DVOA. Sanchez is 26th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 If he was Cam Newton we'd be 5-2. If we had a defense that Rex is saying we have, we would be 5-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This makes no sense then without factoring in next-level statistics that are being shunned here. The Lions can't be top 10 in both offense and defense and be 2-4 and -17 in net points without taking into account opponent. Well, the Lions have scored 133 points on offense while the Jets have scored 131 on offense, plus 4 TDs in returns which accounts for their total point differential of 133 vs. 159. Surprising that even taking that into account the Jets 29th ranked 0 has scored nearly as many points as the Lions' 4th ranked O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 No, the Lions are 8th in yards allowed and the Jets are 19th. That total defense, brah. tEY was also using yardage in saying the Lions are the 4th ranked O and Jets 29th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 If we had a defense that Rex is saying we have, we would be 5-2 This defense has dragged Sanchez's ass to victories for years. Continuing to demand perfection to make up for Sanchez's flaws shows how far the argument for Sanchez and against Rex has trended in the direction of "retarded". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This defense has dragged Sanchez's ass to victories for years. Continuing to demand perfection to make up for Sanchez's flaws shows how far the argument for Sanchez and against Rex has trended in the direction of "retarded". Is it too much to ask an "elite" defense to close the ball game when it is their hands? To me, no. Yet, we see Rex's defense give up game winning drives far too often. Sanchez doesn't play defense. Can't pin that on him. The Jets and Patriots had approximately the same number of plays on offense through 3 quarters, so don't try the excuse "they were tired because of offensive ineptitude". Rex's defense sucks too. Especially when games are on the line. It is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This makes no sense then without factoring in next-level statistics that are being shunned here. The Lions can't be top 10 in both offense and defense and be 2-4 and -17 in net points without taking into account opponent. According to FO, the Lions have the 8th-ranked offense and 18th-ranked defense by DVOA. We're 26th and 15th, respectively. LOL. You're quibbling over 3 spots in defensive DVOA? Both the Jets and Lions' Ds are mediocre-to-suck according to DVOA, but the Lions are better according to official NFL stats of total defense and they are a slot apart in points allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 That total defense, brah. tEY was also using yardage in saying the Lions are the 4th ranked O and Jets 29th. I'm way too goy to be confused with tEY. I never said his metric for determining offensive ranking was valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 And this lines up nicely with QB play. Stafford ranks 10th in DVOA. Sanchez is 26th. That's because Sanchez sucks. Stafford is throwing for over 300 yds a game, so that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 LOL. You're quibbling over 3 spots in defensive DVOA? Both the Jets and Lions' Ds are mediocre-to-suck according to DVOA, but the Lions are better according to official NFL stats of total defense and they are a slot apart in points allowed. what the hell are we even arguing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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