Could Jets Standing Up To Revis Lead To Long Term Deal

[JetNation]

You can’t look at a newspaper or go on the internet without seeing some report about the New York Jets, led by owner Woody Johnson, “determined” to trade star cornerback Darrelle Revis.

Revis himself has done interviews talking about trade rumors “hitting home” and how the Jets didn’t even contact “their best player” about potentially trading him.

A prevailing theme is Woody Johnson simply does not want to “pay the man” while opinions vary on Johnson he’s definitely not cheap.  In fact the Jets usually spend most of the payroll allowed under the salary cap rules and this year will be no exception.  The team has also doled out many big dollar contracts, some were the highest in NFL history (David Harris, Alan Faneca), much to the detriment of the team’s current finances.

It was unclear whether John Idzik was informed about Johnson’s desire to look at trade possibilities for Revis before he was introduced Jets new general manager as the Revis trade rumor news broke a day before his official introduction.  However one thing is clear Idzik, Johnson and the Jets as a whole are showing they’re ready to move on without Darrelle Revis in green and white.

Many Jets supporters feel trading Revis is lunacy and how could they trade away their best player?  The thing these fans might be missing is by sending Revis a message that no one player is bigger than the team and they’re willing to move on puts the Jets in a position of strength, which might just lead to Revis resigning with the them.

Revis has held-out twice in his short career once before his rookie season in 2007 and again in 2010 eventually receiving a new 4 year deal which ends after the 2013 season.  Revis has been paid $55 million during his six year career with the Jets.

There is $9 million in paid bonus money for Darrelle Revis which counts $3 million under the 2014, 2015 and 2016 salary caps, so that money needs to be accounted for when negotiating a deal, it doesn’t just disappear if he signs a new contract.  Basically the Jets are at a disadvantage since they don’t start from a clean slate (zero) during contract talks with Revis.

By exploring Revis trade offers interested teams are setting a pseudo-market before he potentially hits free agency next year.  Most teams would like a sign and trade deal but are hesitant to make a huge financial commitment and give up valuable draft resources while Revis has not fully recovered from his injury.  Revis will get some idea, even though the injury right now deflates his value, at the kind of offers he might expect if he hits free agency in 2014.

The Jets will also know the kind of contract which Revis might except given his current situation.  Revis’ biggest concern is his financial security if he got injured again in 2013 as it would damage his value heading into free agency next offseason.  This is leverage the Jets could use to facilitate a new deal even with tight finances the team could pay Revis more this season while committing to him long term but he would have to except certain concessions to make the deal work for both sides.

So Idzik needs to offer a fair long term contract structure which takes all factors into account and protects both team as well as player.  Revis is a great player and if he can return from his knee injury deserves a big contract but like with any contract the team must have a budget and evaluate the risk factors involved with terms of an agreement.

So the “just pay the man” phrase is easy to say but putting an offer on paper which allows for player compensation while not stifling the teams ability to put a viable product on the field given resources are limited by a salary cap is much more difficult.

Revis has stated he wants to remain a “Jet for life” but John Idzik will negotiate from a position of strength.  He will let Revis know while the Jets want him they won’t be pushed around and will find alternatives if a fair deal can’t be obtained.  This strategy could ultimately lead to Revis getting the “retirement contract” with the Jets we all desire.

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[bitonti]

when this whole thing started, I hoped it was just a way for the Jets to let Revis know he's not getting 16 mil, by having the Niners or Broncos tell him instead. And I still hope this is the case. But as time goes on this looks more like a fire sale. 

[faba]

It is not a game of bluff. WE can not pay so much to one player and fill out the rest of the team with players

[T0mShane]

Revis isn't a defensive tackle, and he's been extremely durable his whole career. The likelihood that he goes out and gets injured again would seem to be relatively minimal, especially if he's conscious of avoiding contact (a la Deion). That's a bad bet for Idzik to take, IMO. If Revis is still standing on January 1st, 2014, he'll get a giant deal elsewhere, and the entire Jet organization have egg on its face.

[bitonti]

It is not a game of bluff. WE can not pay so much to one player and fill out the rest of the team with players

 

 

the same is true of every team in the league. they all operate under the same cap.

 

If Jets can't pay Revis 16 mil, why would another team be able to do this? Especially if they are also paying a franchise QB (otherwise why would they consider themselves a contender and in the Revis Trade market at all?)

[T0mShane]

when this whole thing started, I hoped it was just a way for the Jets to let Revis know he's not getting 16 mil, by having the Niners or Broncos tell him instead. And I still hope this is the case. But as time goes on this looks more like a fire sale.

A first and a third wouldn't be a fire sale.

[T0mShane]

the same is true of every team in the league. they all operate under the same cap.

If Jets can't pay Revis 16 mil, why would another team be able to do this? Especially if they are also paying a franchise QB (otherwise why would they consider themselves a contender and in the Revis Trade market at all?)

The Jets can't pay Revis because Tannenbaum was a loser who paid Harris and Cromartie and Holmes and Sanchez and Brick and Mangold wayyyyyyyyy too much money to accommodate having the giant superstar salary on the books. Other teams can, because Tannenbaum is a dope.

[bitonti]

A first and a third wouldn't be a fire sale.

 

 

why would any team give a 1st for a player who is still rehabing, wants big money, and also the Jets have to trade him by March 16? If a deal gets done soon, it's gonna be not much. Maybe a 2nd. 

[faba]

Because we have  a couple of players eating up good portion of our salary cap that are not worth it.

[T0mShane]

why would any team give a 1st for a player who is still rehabing, wants big money, and also the Jets have to trade him by March 16? If a deal gets done soon, it's gonna be not much. Maybe a 2nd.

If there's competition to trade him--and there is--he goes to the highest bidder, and that cost far exceeds a second. Peter King said it on WFAN today--teams don't think the ACL injury is a big deal anymore. The players who get the surgery now are coming back good as new. As for the salary, teams in position to win titles aren't worried about squeezing Revis' deal into their books. Only the Tannenbaum Jets act like $15 mil is the end of the world.

[pointman]

I would love for this to be the case, but it seems more like the truth is right in front of... we are trading him.

[T0mShane]

Why can't we afford Revis? Because these are the 2013 cap charges for the top five most expensive Jets:

David Harris: $13 mil

Mark Sanchez: $12.85 mil

Santonio Holmes: $12.5 mil

Cromartie: $10.75 mil

Brick: $10 mil

Disgusting

[bitonti]

Why can't we afford Revis? Because these are the 2013 cap charges for the top five most expensive Jets:

David Harris: $13 mil

Mark Sanchez: $12.85 mil

Santonio Holmes: $12.5 mil

Cromartie: $10.75 mil

Brick: $10 mil

Disgusting

 

 

a new Revis deal would push the cap hits down the line. His season 1 salary could be 1 million. Sanchez, Holmes are 100% goners next year. Cro and Harris aren't under contract after 2014.    Brick they could keep extending but that's what a Pro Bowl LT costs.  but basically all these numbers aren't relevant to why they can't afford him now. they can afford him now. They just choose not to ... 

[Il Mostro]

If there's competition to trade him--and there is--he goes to the highest bidder, and that cost far exceeds a second. Peter King said it on WFAN today--teams don't think the ACL injury is a big deal anymore. The players who get the surgery now are coming back good as new. As for the salary, teams in position to win titles aren't worried about squeezing Revis' deal into their books. Only the Tannenbaum Jets act like $15 mil is the end of the world.

 

Exactly.  Nowadays, they can pretty much tell whether the repair took and if there ever was long tern risk.  In a way, it may even be a plus to deal him before he gets back on the field.  While he will very likely be 100% physically, you never know if his play will suffer because of his post-injury mental approach to the game.

[T0mShane]

a new Revis deal would push the cap hits down the line. His season 1 salary could be 1 million. Sanchez, Holmes are 100% goners next year. Cro and Harris aren't under contract after 2014. Brick they could keep extending but that's what a Pro Bowl LT costs. but basically all these numbers aren't relevant to why they can't afford him now. they can afford him now. They just choose not to ...

Revis isn't letting the Jets defer a dime, bit. The man is smart. He gets paid cash up front.

[Scott Dierking]

Revis isn't letting the Jets defer a dime, bit. The man is smart. He gets paid cash up front.

Credit card cap management is what has gotten this team in trouble in the past, also. 

[Il Mostro]

Credit card cap management is what has gotten this team in trouble in the past, also. 

 

Yep, you can only kick the can so far down the road before it comes back to bite you in the ass.  The farther you kick it, the deeper the teethmarks.  That is the Bernie Madoff  method of cap management.

[faba]

You really think Revis is going to want to play without a new contract this year-even if we wanted to do that

[derp]

Revis isn't letting the Jets defer a dime, bit. The man is smart. He gets paid cash up front.

 

I still think they can fit him. Long-term, it's not really an issue. Most big contracts come off the books next year as bit said. Revis wants franchise QB money, but the Jets don't have a QB to give it to. If they draft one who ends up deserving that kind of contract, then he'll be on a rookie deal the length of Revis' deal more or less.

 

As is right now they obviously can't throw another 10 million on his cap figure, but let's say they trade Cro instead. That's what, around 9 million off the books? And then they don't take that extra 3 million cap hit this year, so that's a net gain of 12 million. So they'd have 2 million less committed to the cap this year than they would if they traded Revis (still around another million more than they would now). Still like 8 million in cap room and they can cut Tebow/Pouha and weren't going to make any huge FA moves this offseason anyway. My numbers may be way off here, but this is off the top of my head. And this way you get to keep a better corner who is going to age a lot better too. Less picks coming your way, but still a better decision I think.

 

To me, it's become a personal decision, and that's not a good way to do business. Woody's tired of the constant renegotiating/dealing with Revis' people. I hope Idzik is pulling a major floozy and negotiating with Revis behind the scenes, but I doubt it. I just don't get why you can pay Cro 10 million, Holmes 12 million, Harris 13 million, and Sanchez 13 million but refuse to pony up to keep your best player for a couple million more.

[bitonti]

You really think Revis is going to want to play without a new contract this year-even if we wanted to do that

 

 

he can't hold out, remember? even if they trade him to a team he hates, he can't hold out, or he becomes the property of the team until 2016. 

[Scott Dierking]

You really think Revis is going to want to play without a new contract this year-even if we wanted to do that

He has to-otherwise he forfeits free agency and is a Jet for 3 years 9 mill. 

 

He WONT do that

[pointman]

Why can't we afford Revis? Because these are the 2013 cap charges for the top five most expensive Jets:

David Harris: $13 mil

Mark Sanchez: $12.85 mil

Santonio Holmes: $12.5 mil

Cromartie: $10.75 mil

Brick: $10 mil

Disgusting

You just made this depressing discussion, suicidal. 

[Larz]

I just hope I can hear about it every day for the next 4 months

[pedro55]

I still think they can fit him. Long-term, it's not really an issue. Most big contracts come off the books next year as bit said. Revis wants franchise QB money, but the Jets don't have a QB to give it to. If they draft one who ends up deserving that kind of contract, then he'll be on a rookie deal the length of Revis' deal more or less.

 

As is right now they obviously can't throw another 10 million on his cap figure, but let's say they trade Cro instead. That's what, around 9 million off the books? And then they don't take that extra 3 million cap hit this year, so that's a net gain of 12 million. So they'd have 2 million less committed to the cap this year than they would if they traded Revis (still around another million more than they would now). Still like 8 million in cap room and they can cut Tebow/Pouha and weren't going to make any huge FA moves this offseason anyway. My numbers may be way off here, but this is off the top of my head. And this way you get to keep a better corner who is going to age a lot better too. Less picks coming your way, but still a better decision I think.

 

To me, it's become a personal decision, and that's not a good way to do business. Woody's tired of the constant renegotiating/dealing with Revis' people. I hope Idzik is pulling a major floozy and negotiating with Revis behind the scenes, but I doubt it. I just don't get why you can pay Cro 10 million, Holmes 12 million, Harris 13 million, and Sanchez 13 million but refuse to pony up to keep your best player for a couple million more.

 

  This is the problem with paying Revis QB money.  So just dump a few other players to fit him in.   So now instead of Cromartie and Revis, you have Revis and Kyle Wilson.    Revis solves none of the Jets issues.   We've seen the Patriots beat down the Jets 41-7 with Revis. We've seen Manning shred the Jets secondary in the playoffs.     You could say Cromartie and Wilson is a bad tandem, but you have options.    

 

 This is why winning teams seem to let big contract players walk.   When have the Patriots really kept anybody that demanded big money?  

The Giants seem to dump people every year.  The Steelers were going to let Big Ben go.    

 

 If there were no cap, pay the guy whatever.  But in a cap,  winning teams don't seem to overpay for one player.  Especially a player who won't lead you anywhere.  As great as Revis is, he's a CB that doesn't score or pick the ball off.   So if you are so tied up paying him QB type money, it probably means the rest of your defense suffers. Or your offense still stinks as bad as the Jets offense stinks.

 

   Teams play QBs a ton of money.  It makes sense.  A QB can turn an entire franchise around just because people believe in the guy.

With Revis or without Revis, how much different are the Jets?    We saw without him that they didn't suddenly go from a top 10 defense to the worst defense.   

[Blackout]

I'd prefer to keep Revis but dude's demands are too much

 

 

LET'S GO AFTER VICTOR CRUZ

[derp]

  This is the problem with paying Revis QB money.  So just dump a few other players to fit him in.   So now instead of Cromartie and Revis, you have Revis and Kyle Wilson.    Revis solves none of the Jets issues.   We've seen the Patriots beat down the Jets 41-7 with Revis. We've seen Manning shred the Jets secondary in the playoffs.     You could say Cromartie and Wilson is a bad tandem, but you have options.    

 

 This is why winning teams seem to let big contract players walk.   When have the Patriots really kept anybody that demanded big money?  

The Giants seem to dump people every year.  The Steelers were going to let Big Ben go.    

 

 If there were no cap, pay the guy whatever.  But in a cap,  winning teams don't seem to overpay for one player.  Especially a player who won't lead you anywhere.  As great as Revis is, he's a CB that doesn't score or pick the ball off.   So if you are so tied up paying him QB type money, it probably means the rest of your defense suffers. Or your offense still stinks as bad as the Jets offense stinks.

 

   Teams play QBs a ton of money.  It makes sense.  A QB can turn an entire franchise around just because people believe in the guy.

With Revis or without Revis, how much different are the Jets?    We saw without him that they didn't suddenly go from a top 10 defense to the worst defense.   

 

I get that, but why can you pay Harris 13 million to be a below average ILB, Sanchez 13 million to be a well below average QB, and Holmes 12 million to be a locker room problem who doesn't produce as much as he should for his talent level - but not another 3-4 million for Revis to be the best CB and one of the best defensive players in the league? Get rid of that dead weight (most of which will be gone in 2014) and pay a little less money in 2013 to keep Revis around than Cro and it's not an issue on the cap long-term or short-term. Would have to trade Cro though.

[pedro55]

I get that, but why can you pay Harris 13 million to be a below average ILB, Sanchez 13 million to be a well below average QB, and Holmes 12 million to be a locker room problem who doesn't produce as much as he should for his talent level - but not another 3-4 million for Revis to be the best CB and one of the best defensive players in the league? Get rid of that dead weight (most of which will be gone in 2014) and pay a little less money in 2013 to keep Revis around than Cro and it's not an issue on the cap long-term or short-term. Would have to trade Cro though.

 

 

 Because all those deals are stupid. And it's the reason the Jets are in this mess.  It's also why those guys are gone as soon as they can be dumped from the cap.  And while Revis is far superior than any of those guys combined, the position he plays and the way he plays just isn't worth QB money.   

 

 You don't make a deal for Revis because the Jets already made stupid deals for other players that weren't worth it.   Hell if Revis makes some deal and the Jets wind up with some contract where he's only like 9-10 million per year on the cap, go for it.  He can still get his money and give the Jets room to make good moves.   Brady made a cap friendly move up in New England. He's still getting a boatload of money and by the time that crap kills the cap, he might be retired or renegotiate or the cap might be a lot larger.  Who knows.     The problem with Revis is he seems to be too greedy and just wants what he wants without any concern for winning.

 

 As much as I love Revis as a player, he's just not a guy who seems to care about winning. He doesn't seem to be a guy who would care if his team went 1-15 as long  he was paid $20 Million per year.

 

   The reason you pay QBs that much money is because hey Flacco just won Super Bowl MVP.  Brady and Manning are in the playoffs almost every year since they were in the NFL.  And people blame them and kill them for choking if they don't win a championship game.  And many times it doesn't matter whether it was all their fault or not. QBs get the blame and the credit.

 

    If Revis chokes or doesn't win, nobody cares.  It's the Jets offenses fault.  It's the other CBs fault.  

Remember Flacco had a hell of a game against the Broncos and it took one lucky play to win.  

Tebow sucked for most of every game, but one pass or run and the team wins and wins a playoff game.   CBs that dont return picks for TDs or even pick the ball off that often,  don't have the same power.  

 

  Revis could have 0 passes completed against him and the Jets still lose 24-6.   That's just not a position worth paying QB money for.   

Who would the Ravens rather have Revis or Flacco?   Manning or Revis?   Brady or Revis?  

 hell Andrew Luck, Russel Wilson, RG3, Kapernick or Revis?     

 

 Most everybody would say the stud or potential stud QB.   You can say you can't make that comparison, but when a guy starts asking for money that only QBs get paid,  you have to start asking that question.  Nobody would take Revis over any of those guys.  So why pay him the same?

[bassmaster2]

No team is going to pay him 16 million with the flat cap the next couple of years , I just tried of him always holding out , he been getting burn the last couple of years , I do not think he is the top guy anymore

[stoicsentry]

Why is everyone assuming that:

 

1. Off an injury, Revis wants to gamble on his new contract by playing out this year?

2. Off an injury, Revis will be commanding the kind of contract that he dreams of?

[Bob Robbins]

If he wants to stay bad enough to make a team friendly deal, then I'm all for it. Honestly I'm not convinced a team would be willing to deal even a first for him, especially because they may be operating under the belief that he could be available in free agency in 2014. In this case I think we need to go where the value's at. Sadly the way to do that tradewise is likely to wait until training camp when he has come back strong, in which case we'd be dealing with 2014 picks instead of 2013. This whole situation is probably going to linger for a long time before anything gets done.

[sirlancemehlot]

Nice opinion piece.  Only issue I have is with the title.  "standing up to Revis" means what exactly?  What did Revis do or say this year other than bristle at not being informed he was on the trading block?  He made no demands this year.  He didn't threaten a holdout.  He said he wanted to be a Jet for his whole career.  So what are the Jets "standing up" to?  Seems like they picked the fight, not Revis.  It's the Jets who've floated trade rumors, and the Jets who did not open a line of cummunication.  Revis was annoyed.  He spoke up.  Seems to me Revis is standing up to a slight perpetrated by the team, not the other way around.

[SenorGato]

Nice opinion piece. Only issue I have is with the title. "standing up to Revis" means what exactly? What did Revis do or say this year other than bristle at not being informed he was on the trading block? He made no demands this year. He didn't threaten a holdout. He said he wanted to be a Jet for his whole career. So what are the Jets "standing up" to? Seems like they picked the fight, not Revis. It's the Jets who've floated trade rumors, and the Jets who did not open a line of cummunication. Revis was annoyed. He spoke up. Seems to me Revis is standing up to a slight perpetrated by the team, not the other way around.

NFL players are ALWAYS trying to **** our friends the owners, and the Jets immediately let it known that nobody messes with Woody's hard earned money. Revis' demands are meant to rob this franchise of the Future if we're to go by what they might have been a few years ago when Aso got paid and Revis wasn't coming off an ACL tear. Jets aren't playing that yo. Smear campaign time biiiiiiitches...CBs barely play the game let alone make an impact!

[flgreen]

I get that, but why can you pay Harris 13 million to be a below average ILB, Sanchez 13 million to be a well below average QB, and Holmes 12 million to be a locker room problem who doesn't produce as much as he should for his talent level - but not another 3-4 million for Revis to be the best CB and one of the best defensive players in the league? Get rid of that dead weight (most of which will be gone in 2014) and pay a little less money in 2013 to keep Revis around than Cro and it's not an issue on the cap long-term or short-term. Would have to trade Cro though.

Stop by the unemployment office next Tuesday.  The guy who gave those contracts out will be standing in line

[T0mShane]

Stop by the unemployment office next Tuesday. The guy who gave those contracts out will be standing in line

lol I loved Tannenbaum's quote a few weeks back that the Jets cap problems could be fixed in ten minutes. The guy is a buffoon and should work for the Fed.

[HessStation]

Hate him regardless.*shrugs