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I would like the Jets to try and get Kellen Moore from the Lions. He is small, but he is very smart and a very accurate passer.

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amazing how we have two QBs in Mcelroy & Simms and they arent even getting a breath of airtime. this organization is rotten on the inside. Seriously bringing in any of these guys is a slap in the face to fans. 

 

It makes no sense.  That was the last "real" pre-season game.  If Sanchez is out for a couple of weeks, if he gets PUP'ed, or even if he's out for the season, what does it matter? We have 3 QBs on the roster.  If there was an available 4th that the team already thinks is an upgrade to Simms or McElroy or both, then what the hell are they doing dicking around with those two guys all summer long? 

 

We need 3 QBs.  In Sanchez's absence, we have 3 QBs.

 

Unless they think Geno is a better option than the 2 guys duking it out for the #3 job BUT they don't want to put him in just yet out of fear of him panicking his way into picking up bad habits that are hard to break out of.  Even still, a Trent Edwards could have been had for the veteran minimum (on the cap) so he isn't going to appreciably cost more than a McElroy or Simms (one of whom would be cut loose to offset the difference).  Maybe another $300-500K at the most.  I'm not big on throwing money away on a lost season, but the position dictates that it's treated differently than picking up another stop-gap corner for an extra $400K that we won't be able to carry over to 2014.

 

Either way, there's something uneasy/unsettling going on behind closed doors if they bring in another QB.  

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It makes no sense.  That was the last "real" pre-season game.  If Sanchez is out for a couple of weeks, if he gets PUP'ed, or even if he's out for the season, what does it matter? We have 3 QBs on the roster.  If there was an available 4th that the team already thinks is an upgrade to Simms or McElroy or both, then what the hell are they doing dicking around with those two guys all summer long? 

 

We need 3 QBs.  In Sanchez's absence, we have 3 QBs.

 

Unless they think Geno is a better option than the 2 guys duking it out for the #3 job BUT they don't want to put him in just yet out of fear of him panicking his way into picking up bad habits that are hard to break out of.  Even still, a Trent Edwards could have been had for the veteran minimum (on the cap) so he isn't going to appreciably cost more than a McElroy or Simms (one of whom would be cut loose to offset the difference).  Maybe another $300-500K at the most.  I'm not big on throwing money away on a lost season, but the position dictates that it's treated differently than picking up another stop-gap corner for an extra $400K that we won't be able to carry over to 2014.

 

Either way, there's something uneasy/unsettling going on behind closed doors if they bring in another QB.  

 

I agree.  Part of me would love to be a fly on the wall in the room where the discussions are ongoing, but another part of me knows it would probably just make me sick, angry and very frustrated.

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I agree.  Part of me would love to be a fly on the wall in the room where the discussions are ongoing, but another part of me knows it would probably just make me sick, angry and very frustrated.

 

lol

 

Yeah it's probably a good thing none of us are in the room where we could hear what was going on but not be able to yell at any of them (or worse), as would be appropriate with some of this stuff.

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Well, Leinart signed with the Bills, John Beck was never scheduled, and Trent Edwards was already signed in Chicago. Time for someone to take Gil Brandt out behind the woodshed.

 

Didn't realize that he was the one who gave the names of the QBs the Jets were gonna bring in.  IMO they shouldn't bring anyone in.  They have 3 QBs on the roster and didn't bring in another vet after Garrard retired, and they should just go with what they have.  It's a win-win situation.  They don't use up any cap space, Geno gets a chance to develop on the job and prove himself and/or Simms or McElroy get a chance to prove themselves.  If one of the present QBs develop and proves to be a quality starter, great.   If two do, it's gravy.  If none of them do and the team finishes with a top 3 draft pick, they really didn't lose anything, and since it's a rebuilding year, it will actually benefit the team by accelerating their rebuild by having much better draft position.

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Well, Leinart signed with the Bills, John Beck was never scheduled, and Trent Edwards was already signed in Chicago. Time for someone to take Gil Brandt out behind the woodshed.

 

If the Jets had signed Leinart, my days as a Jets fan would have been over.  I would have then known that Idzik was as clueless as his predecessors.

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Didn't realize that he was the one who gave the names of the QBs the Jets were gonna bring in. IMO they shouldn't bring anyone in. They have 3 QBs on the roster and didn't bring in another vet after Garrard retired, and they should just go with what they have. It's a win-win situation. They don't use up any cap space, Geno gets a chance to develop on the job and prove himself and/or Simms or McElroy get a chance to prove themselves. If one of the present QBs develop and proves to be a quality starter, great. If two do, it's gravy. If none of them do and the team finishes with a top 3 draft pick, they really didn't lose anything, and since it's a rebuilding year, it will actually benefit the team by accelerating their rebuild by having much better draft position.

They need a bridge so as to at least have the option of keeping Geno on the bench. If he starts Day One, the team is going 1-8 and, because he's not ready, Geno will make plays every week that make the Buttfumble look like Montana-to-Rice.

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They need a bridge so as to at least have the option of keeping Geno on the bench. If he starts Day One, the team is going 1-8 and, because he's not ready, Geno will make plays every week that make the Buttfumble look like Montana-to-Rice.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.  If Sanchez was healthy, then I'd have said start Sanchez until Geno is ready, but if Sanchez is out for any length of time, I just don't see the point of bringing in some outside QB, who is no better than Sanchez, is just gonna eat up some cap space and may not play any better than Geno, McElroy, or Simms would.  IMO the worst case scenario would be for them to bring in a QB and he leads them to an 8-8 record.  The season would still suck and then draft position would be screwed for next year.  If Geno wasn't able to supplant the vet by season's end or didn't develop, they'd still desperately need a QB and have no realistic shot at one barring a Ditka kind of trade.  

 

I still think it would have been best for Geno if he got to sit, but since they don't have a vet who knows the offense on board already, I think they might as well just go with Geno.

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Sanchez out vs Philly , considered day to day.

 

since he wasn't going to play, it means no harm no foul

 

lol cimini

 

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We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. If Sanchez was healthy, then I'd have said start Sanchez until Geno is ready, but if Sanchez is out for any length of time, I just don't see the point of bringing in some outside QB, who is no better than Sanchez, is just gonna eat up some cap space and may not play any better than Geno, McElroy, or Simms would. IMO the worst case scenario would be for them to bring in a QB and he leads them to an 8-8 record. The season would still suck and then draft position would be screwed for next year. If Geno wasn't able to supplant the vet by season's end or didn't develop, they'd still desperately need a QB and have no realistic shot at one barring a Ditka kind of trade.

I still think it would have been best for Geno if he got to sit, but since they don't have a vet who knows the offense on board already, I think they might as well just go with Geno.

They're going to turn Geno into Dave Brown if they throw him out there right away.

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since he wasn't going to play, it means no harm no foul

lol cimini

you can pick up yopur bag of dicks any any participating pc richards

Manish reporting that they still don't know the extent of the injury.

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They're going to turn Geno into Dave Brown if they throw him out there right away.

 

You know that I've been one of the most ardent ones saying that Geno needs to sit and learn pressure free so he won't have whatever chances he has of succeeding ruined.

 

That said, if he's gonna take as long to learn as you said, who cares if he turns into Dave Brown?  He won't help the team any time soon anyway.  The Jets can't wait 2-3 years to find their next franchise QB.  If Geno doesn't show clear signs of being that guy by the end of the season, then they need to at least draft another QB high and let them compete, if not move on imo.

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Probably, but if he's gonna take as long to learn as you said, who cares? He won't help the team any time soon anyway. The Jets can't wait 2-3 years to find their next franchise QB. If Geno doesn't show clear signs of being that guy by the end of the season, then they need to move on imo.

What if the Packers used that same logic with Aaron Rodgers, who likewise had to re-learn the game?

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What if the Packers used that same logic with Aaron Rodgers, who likewise had to re-learn the game?

 

I don't know that Rodgers had to re-learn the game, but besides he was sitting behind a HOF QB.  If the Packers hadn't had Favre, and Rodgers was as bad as you suggest, I'm not so sure that he'd be their starting QB now.

 

You know as well as I that the Jets don't have a quality starter that Geno can sit behind for 2-3 years and learn.  They have to find a new starter if they have any hopes of winning a Lombardi Trophy any time in the foreseeable future.  Think of how awful things would be if the Jets signed some jag vet QB to start for the next 2 seasons and the Jets finish 8-8 or 7-9 each of those seasons, and then find out that Geno still can't play?  Idzik and that next HC would probably lose their jobs.  IMO Geno HAS to show real potential for being their QB of the future this season, or the Jets have no choice, they HAVE to draft another QB high next draft.  The two of them can then compete.  If Geno beats him out, great.  If not, then Geno can be the backup or be cut/traded.  If both develop, great, they can keep both for a couple of years for insurance and then trade one of them for multiple high picks in a future draft..

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I don't know that Rodgers had to re-learn the game, but besides he was sitting behind a HOF QB. If the Packers hadn't had Favre, and Rodgers was as bad as you suggest, I'm not so sure that he'd be their starting QB now.

You know as well as I that the Jets don't have a quality starter that Geno can sit behind for 2-3 years and learn. They have to find a new starter if they have any hopes of winning a Lombardi Trophy any time in the foreseeable future. Think of how awful things would be if the Jets signed some jag vet QB to start for the next 2 seasons and the Jets finish 8-8 or 7-9 each of those seasons, and then find out that Geno still can't play? Idzik and that next HC would probably lose their jobs. IMO Geno HAS to show real potential for being their QB of the future this season, or the Jets have no choice, they HAVE to draft another QB high next draft. The two of them can then compete. If Geno beats him out, great. If not, then Geno can be the backup or be cut/traded. If both develop, great, they can keep both for a couple of years for insurance and then trade one of them for multiple high picks in a future draft..

I don't even think a quality JAG could get the team to 8-8. What you'd gain by bringing in a Trent Edwards-type at this point (assuming Sanchez will miss a block of time) is a guy who can identify a blitz, call an audible, get in and out of plays, and manage a football game so they can lose 24-17 instead of 38-7. Geno cannot do that right now. McElroy might, but defenses will put ten in the box on him because of his arm. Matt Simms is not an NFL QB, despite his recent success against opposing third team defenses. At all costs, they need to shield Geno from forced duty because he can't protect himself. You need a JAG to come in for one year, hand the ball off, throw 15 passes a game, and get out of the way when Geno starts to put the pieces together.

As for Rodgers, he came out of that Jeff Tedford system that produced Kyle Boller, which has zero similarities to an NFL offense.

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Manish reporting that they still don't know the extent of the injury.

He's praying for a season ending injury,...but we're classless for booing him, hypocrite ?...nah

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I don't even think a quality JAG could get the team to 8-8. What you'd gain by bringing in a Trent Edwards-type at this point (assuming Sanchez will miss a block of time) is a guy who can identify a blitz, call an audible, get in and out of plays, and manage a football game so they can lose 24-17 instead of 38-7. Geno cannot do that right now. McElroy might, but defenses will put ten in the box on him because of his arm. Matt Simms is not an NFL QB, despite his recent success against opposing third team defenses. At all costs, they need to shield Geno from forced duty because he can't protect himself. You need a JAG to come in for one year, hand the ball off, throw 15 passes a game, and get out of the way when Geno starts to put the pieces together.

As for Rodgers, he came out of that Jeff Tedford system that produced Kyle Boller, which has zero similarities to an NFL offense.

 

I can live with that if they opt to go that way, but if Geno isn't ready enough to start by the bye, then I think they have to draft another QB high next draft.

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