Phil Simms rips 2014 QB Class (MERGED)

[Jetsfan80]

Randy Thomas should have been resigned and we should have held onto Santana Moss. 

 

Coles was a better fit for the type of offense we ran.  Moss would have excelled under a big-armed QB like Testaverde and maybe even Favre.  But alas, our QB was Chad Pennington. 

 

Thomas is one I'd forgotten about, but didn't the Redskins completely overpay all the guys we let go?  And did Thomas even do well in Washington?

[Bleedin Green]

How?  He's a below average run blocker (on a run-first team) who probably wants more than he's worth.  And until we lose him and he has success elsewhere your argument is moot.  Par for the course for you.

 

Even if he does have success elsewhere, I don't see the validity of the comparison.  Howard was an UDFA who they developed into a successful starter and simply may lose to FA.  Farrior was a top pick who was completely misused and did nothing here before going on to be a key component to one of the league's top defenses for many years.  It's entirely different situations.

[Jetsfan80]

Even if he does have success elsewhere, I don't see the validity of the comparison.  Howard was an UDFA who they developed into a successful starter and simply may lose to FA.  Farrior was a top pick who was completely misused and did nothing here before going on to be a key component to one of the league's top defenses for many years.  It's entirely different situations.

 

Yep.  The fact that negotiations are taking a while should be considered a good thing.  We shouldn't cave to whatever Howard thinks his market value is, nor should we be quick to let him go easily without a replacement in waiting.

[dbatesman]

If it's true that Howard wants Vollmer money, the fact that the negotiations are taking so long is the opposite of concerning.

[Jetsfan80]

If it's true that Howard wants Vollmer money, the fact that the negotiations are taking so long is the opposite of concerning.

 

Not giving Howard top RT money doesn't make the Jets better.  This is yet another instance of Idzik being cheap.  Just look at his track record.

[RutgersJetFan]

If it's true that Howard wants Vollmer money, the fact that the negotiations are taking so long is the opposite of concerning.

Indifferent?

[dbatesman]

Indifferent?

 

You're thinking of love, not concern.

[SoFlaJets]

Cotchery

Washington

Farrior

Vilma

Let's Start right here Slats-and regardless of HOW they went-they went and in ALMOST every case did not have to

 

Danny Woodhead 

Career NFL statistics as of 2013

Rushing yards 1,692 Rushing average 4.6 Rushing TDs 12 Receptions 176 Receiving yards 1,674 Receiving TDs 10

Kareem McKenzie, who we allowed to sign with our cross town rivals and then went on to a couple of Super Bowls.  

Santana Moss-who has gone on to pretty stellar career with Washington over 720 receptions, 66 TDs and over 10 THOUSAND yards

Johnathan Goodwin-starter in the 2009 SB and a Pro Bowler in 2010

James Farrior-has to be mentioned since his career spanned a long while

Vilma-a SB appearance

Jerricho Cotchery

Joel Dreessen-160 catches @ over 10 yards per catch 19 TDs

Nugent? never mind

Clemens-didn't look half bad in StL

 

Just to name a few

[RutgersJetFan]

You're thinking of love, not concern.

 

[SoFlaJets]

    NFL Draft Tracker  New York Jets ,      

2013

          1.09 DB  Dee Milliner  Alabama   

          1.13 DL  Sheldon Richardson  Missouri  from TB (Darrelle Revis)

          2.08 QB  Geno Smith  West Virginia   

          3.10 OL  Brian Winters  Kent State   

          5.08 OL  Oday Aboushi  Virginia         

          6.10 OL  William Campbell  Michigan   

          7.09 RB  Tommy Bohanon  Wake Forest     

 

2012  1.16 DL  Quinton Coples  North Carolina   

          2.11 WR  Stephen Hill  Georgia Tech  from SEA

          3.14 LB  DeMario Davis  Arkansas State   

          6.17 DB  Josh Bush  Wake Forest  from PHI through IND

          6.32 RB  Terrance Ganaway  Baylor  compensatory selection

          6.33 OL  Robert T. Griffin  Baylor  compensatory selection

          7.35 DB  Antonio Allen  South Carolina  compensatory selection

          7.37 WR  Jordan White  Western Michigan  compensatory selection  

 

2011  1.30 DL  Muhammad Wilkerson  Temple   

          3.30 DL  Kenrick Ellis  Hampton   

          4.29 RB  Bilal Powell  Louisville   

          5.22 WR  Jeremy Kerley    from PHI

          7.05 QB  Greg McElroy  Alabama  from ARI

          7.24 WR  Scotty McKnight  Colorado  from SEA through PHI  

 

2010  1.29 DB  Kyle Wilson  Boise State   

          2.29 OL  Vlad Ducasse  Massachusetts   

          4.14 RB  Joe McKnight    from CAR

          5.08 RB  John Conner  Kentucky  from SEA   

 

2009  1.05 QB  Mark Sanchez    from CLE

          3.01 RB  Shonn Greene  Iowa  from DET

          6.20 OL  Matt Slauson  Nebraska     

 

2008  1.06 DL  Vernon Gholston  Ohio State   

          1.30 TE  Dustin Keller  Purdue  from GB

          4.14 DB  Dwight Lowery  San Jose State  from NO through GB

          5.27 QB  Erik Ainge  Tennessee  from GB

          6.05 WR  Marcus Henry  Kansas   

          7.04 OL  Nate Garner  Arkansas     

 

2007  1.14 DB  Darrelle Revis  Pittsburgh  from CAR

          2.15 LB  David Harris  Michigan  from GB

          6.03 OL  Jacob Bender  Nicholls State  from TB

          7.25 WR  Chansi Stuckey  Clemson  from NYJ through GB  

 

2006  1.04 OL  D'Brickashaw Ferguson  Virginia   

          1.29 OL  Nick Mangold  Ohio State  from ATL; trade DE John Abraham

          2.17 QB  Kellen Clemens  Oregon  from DAL; trade 2006 2.21, 6.20, 7.03

          3.12 LB  Anthony Schlegel  Ohio State  from PHI; trade 2006 3.07, also received 7.12

          3.33 DB  Eric Smith  Michigan State  compensatory pick

          4.06 QB  Brad Smith  Missouri   

          4.20 RB  Leon Washington  Florida State  from KC

          5.17 TE  Jason Pociask  Wisconsin  from DAL; trade 2006 5.05, also received 6.20

          6.20 DB  Drew Coleman  Texas Christian  from DAL; trade 2006 5.05, also received 5.17

          7.12 DL  Titus Adams  Nebraska  from PHI; trade 2006 3.07, also received 3.12  

 

2005  2.15 K  Mike Nugent  Ohio State  from OAK; trade draft pick 2005 1.26 plus rec'd TE Doug Jolley; from HOU

          2.25 DB  Justin Miller  Clemson   

          3.24 DL  Sione Pouha  Utah   

          4.22 DB  Kerry Rhodes  Louisville  from JAX; trade draft picks 2005 4.26, 6.11; rec'd 2005 4.22

          5.25 DB  Andre Maddox  North Carolina State   

          6.08 RB  Cedric Houston  Tennessee  from Arizona through Oakland

          6.24 TE  Joel Dreessen  Colorado State   

          7.26 WR  Harry Williams  Tuskegee     

 

2004  1.12 LB  Jonathan Vilma     

          3.13 DB  Derrick Strait  Oklahoma   

          4.12 WR  Jerricho Cotchery  North Carolina State   

          4.36 OL  Adrian Jones  Kansas  compensatory pick

          5.11 DB  Erik Coleman  Washington State   

          6.13 OL  Marko Cavka  Sacramento State   

          7.12 LB  Darrell McClover  Miami   

          7.33 DL  Trevor Johnson  Nebraska  compensatory pick

          7.34 RB  Derrick Ward  Ottawa, Kan.  compensatory pick

          7.35 DB  Rashad Washington  Kansas State  compensatory pick  

 

2003  1.04 DL  Dewayne Robertson  Kentucky  from CHI; trade draft picks 2003 1.13, 1.22 and 4.19

          2.21 LB  Victor Hobson  Michigan   

          3.21 RB  B.J. Askew  Michigan   

          5.05 DB  Derek Pagel  Iowa  from WAS; compensation KR-RB Chad Morton; (was from DAL via NE; trade draft picks)

          5.15 DL  Matt Walters  Miami  from KC; trade draft picks

          6.27 QB  Brooks Bollinger  Wisconsin  from KC; trade draft picks  

          7.23 OL  Dave Yovanovits  Temple     

 

2002  1.22 LB  Bryan Thomas  Ala.-Birmingham   

          2.25 DB  Jon McGraw  Kansas State   

          3.23 TE  Chris Baker  Michigan State   

          4.23 DL  Alan Harper  Fresno State   

          5.19 OL  Jonathan Goodwin  Michigan     

 

2001  1.16 WR  Santana Moss     

          2.18 RB  LaMont Jordan  Maryland   

          3.17 OL  Kareem McKenzie  Penn State   

          4.06 DB  Jamie Henderson  Georgia   

          7.06 DL  James Reed  Iowa State   

          7.17 OL  Tupe Peko  Michigan State     

 

2000  1.12 DL  Shaun Ellis  Tennessee   

          1.13 DL  John Abraham  South Carolina   

          1.18 QB  Chad Pennington  Marshall   

          1.27 TE  Anthony Becht  West Virginia   

          3.16 WR  Laveranues Coles  Florida State   

          5.14 WR  Windrell Hayes  Southern California   

          6.13 DB  Tony Scott  North Carolina State   

          7.12 DL  Richard Seals  Utah   

[joewillie78]

I was really just including Goodwin as a concession to the other side of the argument.  Farrior is really the only relevant player in the Woody Johnson era to fit this argument.

 

 

 

By "Some" do you mean Pac?

Do not get me in trouble with Pac. Pac and I are good friends, and I even defend his city of Rochester which seems to be under constant attack.

 

He can take care of himself when it comes to Sanchez.

[joewillie78]

Let's Start right here Slats-and regardless of HOW they went-they went and in ALMOST every case did not have to

 

Danny Woodhead 

Career NFL statistics as of 2013

Rushing yards 1,692 Rushing average 4.6 Rushing TDs 12 Receptions 176 Receiving yards 1,674 Receiving TDs 10

Kareem McKenzie, who we allowed to sign with our cross town rivals and then went on to a couple of Super Bowls.  

Santana Moss-who has gone on to pretty stellar career with Washington over 720 receptions, 66 TDs and over 10 THOUSAND yards

Johnathan Goodwin-starter in the 2009 SB and a Pro Bowler in 2010

James Farrior-has to be mentioned since his career spanned a long while

Vilma-a SB appearance

Jerricho Cotchery

Joel Dreessen-160 catches @ over 10 yards per catch 19 TDs

Nugent? never mind

Clemens-didn't look half bad in StL

 

Just to name a few

Better list than mine , but slates will refute everyone, watch.

[SoFlaJets]

Better list than mine , but slates will refute everyone, watch.

This goes back to what Smashmouth was saying yesterday and I agreed with him. What it comes down to is the Jets for some unknown reason just don't seem to be able to get the production out of a LOT of their players than the teams who pick them up from us do. The Danny Woodhead example is the perfect one. "look at that little (blank)ker run!" was Rex's statement on Hard Knocks. then it came down to keeping either him or Joe McKnight-a guy with no heart or a guy who plays only WITH heart, who do we take? Same as it ever was same as it ever was same as it ever was....

[joewillie78]

This goes back to what Smashmouth was saying yesterday and I agreed with him. What it comes down to is the Jets for some unknown reason just don't seem to be able to get the production out of a LOT of their players than the teams who pick them up from us do. The Danny Woodhead example is the perfect one. "look at that little (blank)ker run!" was Rex's statement on Hard Knocks. then it came down to keeping either him or Joe McKnight-a guy with no heart or a guy who plays only WITH heart, who do we take? Same as it ever was same as it ever was same as it ever was....

Preaching to the choir my friend.

[Matt39]

Any chance Jake Matthews drops?

[Jetsfan80]

    NFL Draft Tracker  New York Jets ,      

2013

          1.09 DB  Dee Milliner  Alabama   

          1.13 DL  Sheldon Richardson  Missouri  from TB (Darrelle Revis)

          2.08 QB  Geno Smith  West Virginia   

          3.10 OL  Brian Winters  Kent State   

          5.08 OL  Oday Aboushi  Virginia         

          6.10 OL  William Campbell  Michigan   

          7.09 RB  Tommy Bohanon  Wake Forest     

 

2012  1.16 DL  Quinton Coples  North Carolina   

          2.11 WR  Stephen Hill  Georgia Tech  from SEA

          3.14 LB  DeMario Davis  Arkansas State   

          6.17 DB  Josh Bush  Wake Forest  from PHI through IND

          6.32 RB  Terrance Ganaway  Baylor  compensatory selection

          6.33 OL  Robert T. Griffin  Baylor  compensatory selection

          7.35 DB  Antonio Allen  South Carolina  compensatory selection

          7.37 WR  Jordan White  Western Michigan  compensatory selection  

 

2011  1.30 DL  Muhammad Wilkerson  Temple   

          3.30 DL  Kenrick Ellis  Hampton   

          4.29 RB  Bilal Powell  Louisville   

          5.22 WR  Jeremy Kerley    from PHI

          7.05 QB  Greg McElroy  Alabama  from ARI

          7.24 WR  Scotty McKnight  Colorado  from SEA through PHI  

 

2010  1.29 DB  Kyle Wilson  Boise State   

          2.29 OL  Vlad Ducasse  Massachusetts   

          4.14 RB  Joe McKnight    from CAR

          5.08 RB  John Conner  Kentucky  from SEA   

 

2009  1.05 QB  Mark Sanchez    from CLE

          3.01 RB  Shonn Greene  Iowa  from DET

          6.20 OL  Matt Slauson  Nebraska     

 

2008  1.06 DL  Vernon Gholston  Ohio State   

          1.30 TE  Dustin Keller  Purdue  from GB

          4.14 DB  Dwight Lowery  San Jose State  from NO through GB

          5.27 QB  Erik Ainge  Tennessee  from GB

          6.05 WR  Marcus Henry  Kansas   

          7.04 OL  Nate Garner  Arkansas     

 

2007  1.14 DB  Darrelle Revis  Pittsburgh  from CAR

          2.15 LB  David Harris  Michigan  from GB

          6.03 OL  Jacob Bender  Nicholls State  from TB

          7.25 WR  Chansi Stuckey  Clemson  from NYJ through GB  

 

2006  1.04 OL  D'Brickashaw Ferguson  Virginia   

          1.29 OL  Nick Mangold  Ohio State  from ATL; trade DE John Abraham

          2.17 QB  Kellen Clemens  Oregon  from DAL; trade 2006 2.21, 6.20, 7.03

          3.12 LB  Anthony Schlegel  Ohio State  from PHI; trade 2006 3.07, also received 7.12

          3.33 DB  Eric Smith  Michigan State  compensatory pick

          4.06 QB  Brad Smith  Missouri   

          4.20 RB  Leon Washington  Florida State  from KC

          5.17 TE  Jason Pociask  Wisconsin  from DAL; trade 2006 5.05, also received 6.20

          6.20 DB  Drew Coleman  Texas Christian  from DAL; trade 2006 5.05, also received 5.17

          7.12 DL  Titus Adams  Nebraska  from PHI; trade 2006 3.07, also received 3.12  

 

2005  2.15 K  Mike Nugent  Ohio State  from OAK; trade draft pick 2005 1.26 plus rec'd TE Doug Jolley; from HOU

          2.25 DB  Justin Miller  Clemson   

          3.24 DL  Sione Pouha  Utah   

          4.22 DB  Kerry Rhodes  Louisville  from JAX; trade draft picks 2005 4.26, 6.11; rec'd 2005 4.22

          5.25 DB  Andre Maddox  North Carolina State   

          6.08 RB  Cedric Houston  Tennessee  from Arizona through Oakland

          6.24 TE  Joel Dreessen  Colorado State   

          7.26 WR  Harry Williams  Tuskegee     

 

2004  1.12 LB  Jonathan Vilma     

          3.13 DB  Derrick Strait  Oklahoma   

          4.12 WR  Jerricho Cotchery  North Carolina State   

          4.36 OL  Adrian Jones  Kansas  compensatory pick

          5.11 DB  Erik Coleman  Washington State   

          6.13 OL  Marko Cavka  Sacramento State   

          7.12 LB  Darrell McClover  Miami   

          7.33 DL  Trevor Johnson  Nebraska  compensatory pick

          7.34 RB  Derrick Ward  Ottawa, Kan.  compensatory pick

          7.35 DB  Rashad Washington  Kansas State  compensatory pick  

 

2003  1.04 DL  Dewayne Robertson  Kentucky  from CHI; trade draft picks 2003 1.13, 1.22 and 4.19

          2.21 LB  Victor Hobson  Michigan   

          3.21 RB  B.J. Askew  Michigan   

          5.05 DB  Derek Pagel  Iowa  from WAS; compensation KR-RB Chad Morton; (was from DAL via NE; trade draft picks)

          5.15 DL  Matt Walters  Miami  from KC; trade draft picks

          6.27 QB  Brooks Bollinger  Wisconsin  from KC; trade draft picks  

          7.23 OL  Dave Yovanovits  Temple     

 

2002  1.22 LB  Bryan Thomas  Ala.-Birmingham   

          2.25 DB  Jon McGraw  Kansas State   

          3.23 TE  Chris Baker  Michigan State   

          4.23 DL  Alan Harper  Fresno State   

          5.19 OL  Jonathan Goodwin  Michigan     

 

2001  1.16 WR  Santana Moss     

          2.18 RB  LaMont Jordan  Maryland   

          3.17 OL  Kareem McKenzie  Penn State   

          4.06 DB  Jamie Henderson  Georgia   

          7.06 DL  James Reed  Iowa State   

          7.17 OL  Tupe Peko  Michigan State     

 

2000  1.12 DL  Shaun Ellis  Tennessee   

          1.13 DL  John Abraham  South Carolina   

          1.18 QB  Chad Pennington  Marshall   

          1.27 TE  Anthony Becht  West Virginia   

          3.16 WR  Laveranues Coles  Florida State   

          5.14 WR  Windrell Hayes  Southern California   

          6.13 DB  Tony Scott  North Carolina State   

          7.12 DL  Richard Seals  Utah   

 

 

And what, from this list, makes you come to the conclusion that we are more of a "Gets good talent but let's it go to be successful elsewhere" franchise than a "Generally can't draft for sh*t" franchse?

[#27TheDominator]

10 ******* players?  Moss and Vilma were both trades.  IIRC, Kareem McKenzie was paid ridiculous money and the Giants were handcuffed a bit by having him some years. It's the ******* salary cap era, of course players are going to end up elsewhere.  The 50's are over.  You can't stash guys for ages. 

[joewillie78]

And what, from this list, makes you come to the conclusion that we are more of a "Gets good talent but let's it go to be successful elsewhere" franchise than a "Generally can't draft for sh*t" franchse?

2003. 2009, and 2010 have to be 3 of the worst drafted classes in the entire NFL. Who was our scout those years, Stevie Wonder?

[Bleedin Green]

Better list than mine , but slates will refute everyone, watch.

 

So wait, did the argument become that the Jets should never allow a player to leave who might have some degree of success at any point throughout the remainder of their career?  Forget the list itself, that just seems to be an excessively different argument than the one originally presented.  You can't tell me that you couldn't make a similar list for every single team in the NFL using that criteria, especially when it covers a 13-year time span and you start including players like Cotchery who asked to be cut and then went on to be a #4 WR for his next two years in the league (two years which combined were about the same as his last year with the Jets), before finally moving up to #3.

[joewillie78]

So wait, did the argument become that the Jets should never allow a player to leave who might have some degree of success at any point throughout the remainder of their career?  Forget the list itself, that just seems to be an excessively different argument than the one originally presented.  You can't tell me that you couldn't make a similar list for every single team in the NFL using that criteria, especially when it covers a 13-year time span and you start including players like Cotchery who asked to be cut and then went on to be a #4 WR for his next two years in the league (two years which combined were about the same as his last year with the Jets), before finally moving up to #3.

I don't know, I just saw his list and thought it was fairly thorough. Of course, you could make a list for other teams but certainly, one that comes to mind, that seems to unload players at just the right time is NE and our arch enemy, Belichick.

 

Ty Law

Richard Seymour

Matt Cassell

Randy Moss

Asante Samuel

 

Others?

[Jetsfan80]

I don't know, I just saw his list and thought it was fairly thorough. Of course, you could make a list for other teams but certainly, one that comes to mind, that seems to unload players at just the right time is NE and our arch enemy, Belichick.

 

Ty Law

Richard Seymour

Matt Cassell

Randy Moss

Asante Samuel

 

Others?

 

We've pretty much never had players the caliber of Ty Law, Richard Seymour or Randy Moss to "unload at the right time". 

 

Revis comes to mind, but I'd say we DID unload him at the right time.  We picked up a 1st rounder and a 3rd/4th for a guy coming off an ACL tear, who the Bucs are now rumored to be trying to get rid of after stupidly agreeing to tie up 1/6 of their cap space on him via a series of, essentially, 1 year contracts.  We turned that into Sheldon Richardson, the DPOY who has the look of a guy who will be a perennial Pro Bowler.

 

Again, the problem isn't the players we've let go or the timing when we allowed them to leave.  It's not acquiring talent in the first place.

[BroadwayJoe12]

I don't know, I just saw his list and thought it was fairly thorough. Of course, you could make a list for other teams but certainly, one that comes to mind, that seems to unload players at just the right time is NE and our arch enemy, Belichick.

 

Ty Law

Richard Seymour

Matt Cassell

Randy Moss

Asante Samuel

 

Others?

 

 

Ehh, the Pats just don't like to pay their free agents besides Brady and a few others. Samuel went on to have 3 probowl and 2 all pro seasons after he left and Seymour had two pro-bowl appearances and 1 all-pro season.  It worked because they still had Brady and Wilfork, but it's not like they saw their play rapidly deteriorating or anything. 

[Bleedin Green]

Ehh, the Pats just don't like to pay their free agents besides Brady and a few others. Samuel went on to have 3 probowl and 2 all pro seasons after he left and Seymour had two pro-bowl appearances and 1 all-pro season.  It worked because they still had Brady and Wilfork, but it's not like they saw their play rapidly deteriorating or anything. 

 

And come on, Ty Law got 10 INTs for us!

[joewillie78]

And come on, Ty Law got 10 INTs for us!

Yeah, I remember. Didn't he have 1 of those years where like every batted ball or deflected pass just happened to come to him, and like only 3 were "real" ints?

[Integrity28]

"Let me show you how to get twitter followers, clicks and page views!"

[slats]

Let's Start right here Slats-and regardless of HOW they went-they went and in ALMOST every case did not have to

 

Danny Woodhead 

Career NFL statistics as of 2013

Rushing yards

1,692

Rushing average

4.6

Rushing TDs

12

Receptions

176

Receiving yards

1,674

Receiving TDs

10

Kareem McKenzie, who we allowed to sign with our cross town rivals and then went on to a couple of Super Bowls.  

Santana Moss-who has gone on to pretty stellar career with Washington over 720 receptions, 66 TDs and over 10 THOUSAND yards

Johnathan Goodwin-starter in the 2009 SB and a Pro Bowler in 2010

James Farrior-has to be mentioned since his career spanned a long while

Vilma-a SB appearance

Jerricho Cotchery

Joel Dreessen-160 catches @ over 10 yards per catch 19 TDs

Nugent? never mind

Clemens-didn't look half bad in StL

 

Just to name a few

You said left for NOTHING. Moss and Vilma were traded. I brought up Woodhead, and he's not impressive to me, but whatever. He and Ihedigbo are the only players relevant to the Rex years. Farrior did nothing under Parcells, how long were we supposed to stick with him? It would've been hard to find a Jet fan who didn't like getting Coles back for Moss at the time, but hindsight and all that, I guess.

Goodwin and Dreesen would've been nice, but seriously, these guys are worth whining about?

And Kellen Clemens? o_0

Dating back to Parcells, this is the list you come up with? This backs up the idea that the Jets are constantly letting go quality talent in your mind?

Love ya, man, but you'll forgive me if I vehemently disagree.

[Cmartin]

Scott Halleran

CBS NFL analyst and former NFL quarterback Phil Simms says he likes Geno Smith better than any quarterback available in the upcoming NFL Draft.

"If you’re the New York Jets you’ve got to sit there and go, ‘Wow, good thing we made a move last year and we didn’t wait until this year,’" Simms told SiriusXM’s Adam Schein on Wednesday. "My first thought is just physically and how he played at the end of the year I would be pretty happy going, ‘Man, all right, we got a guy.’ I think if Geno Smith was in this draft class he would be the number one guy, without question."

Simms characterized Bridgewater’s arm as "middle of the pack," questioned Manziel’s explosiveness and arm strength and took issue with Bortles’ throwing motion and slow 40-yard dash time.

[joewillie78]

If Matt Simms was backing up RYAN LEAF, he would be calling for Leaf to be a 1st ballot HOF.

 

GO AWAY.

[Jetknowledge]

The only one I really like for a top of the draft team is Bridgewater. What even happened that he lost the top spot?

They fell in love with johnny

[SenorGato]

They fell in love with johnny

 

THEEEEEEEY tend to be idiots THO. I mean come on now - Blake Bortles? I swear you can't just like a prospect anymore...He HAS to fly up to the tippy top if the name is out there.