Now I'm startin' to get pissed!!

[Jolot]

Dont give MattPLP any ideas,..he's gonna watch the movie and try and throw Idzik off a building.

[Villain The Foe]

 

I've been trying to keep calm during the last 60 hrs. supporting Idzik in his laid back approach, waiting for some value, after the initial

hysteria of FA. As I saw Ward, Byrd, Davis, Verner, Woodley, Ware, Garrett Graham, Eugene Monroe, Jared Veldheer, Branden Albert, Rodger Saffold, Asamoah, Schwartz, Beadles etc. sign elsewhere, I thought to myself.... we have a plan to compete for a playoff spot this year.

We sign Decker and Breno, and I think, here we go..... pick up Pettigrew, James Jones or Sanders, DRC, Clemons or Wright at Safety, and an RB like Sproles and we're good to go

Then I saw Sproles traded for a 5th, Pettigrew re-signed for $4 mil/yr, Browner heading to NE, Munnerlyn signing in Minn. and I begin to wonder, is Idzik being "Joe Cool" and letting the market come to him OR is he in over his head as a GM?? Is he paralyzed, afraid to make a big mistake or overpay and leave us with only $30 million for next year?

 

He's been a number cruncher in Seattle for the past 5 years, does this make him qualified to be a GM who aggressively goes out and makes this team better, positioning himself in FA so that we have flexibility in the Draft? We have Very Big holes at RG, TE, S, CB, QB,  and smaller holes at RB.

 

Proverbs 17:28

Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive.

 

 

Just because Idzik is holding his tongue and not over-spending does not mean he is a good evaluator of talent. Sometimes the lack of understanding causes us to freeze.... I hope this is not the case. I hope I am wrong.

 

I'm beginning to wonder if this will be a lost season.

 

[MexiRoll6]

Remember when we had Revis, Cromartie, and Landry in our secondary?

And we finished 6-10.

[MexiRoll6]

If you Want to make a reasonable non NFL comparison for Idzik then look for early shades of Lou Lamoriello of the NJ Devils, architect of the most successful hockey team in the last 20 years and arguably the greatest GM in the history of hockey. Lou's approach is basically "nobody holds the team hostage", build out a strong farm system (ie draft), and fill seasonal holes in free agency.

OK so you may have stopped at point 1, because Eric Decker is getting 7mm/5yrs with 25 or something guaranteed. Not so fast. Eric Decker's cap hit is 4mm in year 1, 6mm in year 2, and 8mm in year three. I admit that I don't know what his dead money is if cut, but let that sink in for a second. Eric Decker can potentially be off the books before year 3 on a five year deal.

He just swapped Austin Howard out for a cheaper, higher rated alternative purely on the basis of principal. Would it have been heart warming And great press to pay Howard more than he's worth? Of course. But realize that Giacomino is not only better but comes cheaper and realize the implications that forcing guys to earn their paycheck here are going to have.

The media clearly has no idea what the hell is going on in Florham Park. Just yesterday Manish was reporting that Pettigrew was all but on the dotted line. They said Revis and the Jets were talking and basically admitted that a source was a low level staffer who saw someone get a text from camp Revis. Idzik makes you earn the privilege of being in the know.

There are 100 cornerbacks in the NFL. Get used to the fact that other areas of the team are going to have to pick up their end of the slack if we replace Cromartie with someone reasonable.

It's not a lot to go on, but its being played perfectly up to this point. I have never been as confident in the front office as I have been at this point.

Giacomino is NOT as good as Howard by most scouting analysis. He is lighter and quicker, but NOT as good a run blocker and not as strong. Idzik paid less and the Jets got less. Interesting how his philosophy is the polar OPPOSITE of Tanny who LOVED to give guys WAY more than they expected while Idzik counts pennies. Don't know who is worse at this point. At least Tanny TRIED to improve the team even if he had to overpay. Well, guess what THAT'S WHAT FREE AGENCY IS ABOUT. Bill Polian described free agency as the "Opportunity for 32 teams to over pay for marginal talent."

[JiFtheOracle]

Giacomino is NOT as good as Howard by most scouting analysis. He is lighter and quicker, but NOT as good a run blocker and not as strong. Idzik paid less and the Jets got less.

 

WRONG!

 

courtesy of Jetsfan80:

 

Here are some numbers to support my claims, courtesy of footballoutsiders: http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol

 

(NOTE: I understand that Giacomini missed 7 games. From a per play standpoint this basically washes out):

 

 

Seattle running off right end (behind Giacominin): 4.13 Adjusted Line Yards (8th)

 

Jets off right end (behind Howard): 3.25 ALY (24th)

 

 

Seattle off right tackle: 4.14 ALY (12th)

 

Jets off right tackle: 3.16 ALY (28th)

 

 

Clearly an upgrade in the run blocking department. This is the caliber of play we haven't had at that spot since Damien Woody retired

[Lizard King]

Giacomino is NOT as good as Howard by most scouting analysis. He is lighter and quicker, but NOT as good a run blocker and not as strong. Idzik paid less and the Jets got less. Interesting how his philosophy is the polar OPPOSITE of Tanny who LOVED to give guys WAY more than they expected while Idzik counts pennies. Don't know who is worse at this point. At least Tanny TRIED to improve the team even if he had to overpay. Well, guess what THAT'S WHAT FREE AGENCY IS ABOUT. Bill Polian described free agency as the "Opportunity for 32 teams to over pay for marginal talent."

Tanny robbed years of production for nothing and awarded players for nothing. 

[MatthewPLP]

WRONG!

 

courtesy of Jetsfan80:

 

Here are some numbers to support my claims, courtesy of footballoutsiders: http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol

 

(NOTE: I understand that Giacomini missed 7 games. From a per play standpoint this basically washes out):

 

 

Seattle running off right end (behind Giacominin): 4.13 Adjusted Line Yards (8th)

 

Jets off right end (behind Howard): 3.25 ALY (24th)

 

 

Seattle off right tackle: 4.14 ALY (12th)

 

Jets off right tackle: 3.16 ALY (28th)

 

 

Clearly an upgrade in the run blocking department. This is the caliber of play we haven't had at that spot since Damien Woody retired

 

There's a whole lot of intangibles that go with those numbers, I hardly call this proof.  

[Sperm Edwards]

Those teams had FA such as Thomas, LT, Pace, Faneca, Bart Scott, Leonard, Kris Jenkins, Cromartie to name a few......   Can you see Freddy Coupon signing any players like this? I don't think so... Not from what I seen so far..

Over how many years were those players added? And how many draft picks did we lose to do it, in no small part resulting in the lack of quality on the present roster? He kept trading our draft picks for players who needed new contracts.  

 

Leonard was dirt-cheap when we picked him up.  LT was as well.  I don't know which FA "Thomas" is, but if you mean Bryan Thomas he wasn't a FA. He was given a contract more than he was worth, didn't live up to it, and that directly led to the drafting of Vernon Gholston.  Likewise, the sudden up & down of Brett Favre directly led to the move up to draft Mark Sanchez.  Throwing still more money at Sanchez on a 2nd contract (not to mention also making a move to make a move get Tim Tebow) certainly appears to directly led to us passing on drafting Russell Wilson.  Then there's the brilliance of awarding Santonio Holmes a $45M contract.  The lack of cap room left from these moves caused us to trade up for such gems as Stephen Hill, and force us to start him as a rookie no less since there was no one else.

 

Forgive me for not basking in the glory of what never was.

 

Freddy Coupon.  How droll.

[jgb]

Over how many years were those players added? And how many draft picks did we lose to do it, in no small part resulting in the lack of quality on the present roster? He kept trading our draft picks for players who needed new contracts.  

 

Leonard was dirt-cheap when we picked him up.  LT was as well.  I don't know which FA "Thomas" is, but if you mean Bryan Thomas he wasn't a FA. He was given a contract more than he was worth, didn't live up to it, and that directly led to the drafting of Vernon Gholston.  Likewise, the sudden up & down of Brett Favre directly led to the move up to draft Mark Sanchez.  Throwing still more money at Sanchez on a 2nd contract (not to mention also making a move to make a move get Tim Tebow) certainly appears to directly led to us passing on drafting Russell Wilson.  Then there's the brilliance of awarding Santonio Holmes a $45M contract.  The lack of cap room left from these moves caused us to trade up for such gems as Stephen Hill, and force us to start him as a rookie no less since there was no one else.

 

Forgive me for not basking in the glory of what never was.

 

Freddy Coupon.  How droll.

 

Come on to be fair Sperm he is saying spend the money but also be flawless in player evaluation. If only GMs had thought about combining those two things. What a revolutionary concept. He must truly be a great CEO.

 

[JiFtheOracle]

There's a whole lot of intangibles that go with those numbers, I hardly call this proof.  

 

Math is the universal language.

[Villain The Foe]

Record was 8-8 last year, not 4-12. Are you saying with the cap we have and the draft we couldn't squeeze another 2-3 wins out over last year? Yeah, last year when we fielded that horrendous offense.

We were 8-8 and now 4-12, but we were 8-8 because Kerley was hurt for a month, not because we didnt have Revis. We would have at least been 9-7 and been in the playoffs if Kerley wasnt hurt (but this goes to show what happens when your prior GM doesnt establish depth on your team). Meanwhile the Bucs are picking number 7 in the draft this year after paying Revis 16 million dollars, or 1 million a game. Not saying Revis isn't an upgrade, but its certainly not imperative that we sign him, especially if we already know the headache which will eventually come with it from a FO point of view. And the signing would have been based on Revis terms and not Idzik's, and we should know by now with Jon that such signings wont happen. 

 

As for all the money, I dont hear anything about the good decisions Idzik made in keeping his own guys. He didnt let Douzable get away which means our defensive line is going to be at minimum as solid as last year. Folk had his best year as a kicker last year then was franchised in order not to leave via FA and they signed him to a four year deal. Wilkerson is a guy that we want to make sure we can pay right? Well we wont have the money to do it if we go out in FA looking like Denver (a team on the cusp of a championship) or the Raiders (Poor management). Idzik is establishing depth by making quality FA signings (Nelson) and eventually signing our quality players long term or bringing them back to play another year. Rebuilding a team that was top heavy doesnt happen in 1 year. Getting caught up in sexy FA signings when you dont have a complete team isnt smart. 2012 & 2013 should remind you of that. 

 

Most of the top names are gone (which one of them we signed), but that doesnt mean that there's no talent in FA. Its been less than a week. We've made two very good signings this week and we still are showing interest in Rodgers-Cromartie, Michael Vick, James Jones etc. It will be at our price though. 

[MatthewPLP]

Over how many years were those players added? And how many draft picks did we lose to do it, in no small part resulting in the lack of quality on the present roster? He kept trading our draft picks for players who needed new contracts.  

 

Leonard was dirt-cheap when we picked him up.  LT was as well.  I don't know which FA "Thomas" is, but if you mean Bryan Thomas he wasn't a FA. He was given a contract more than he was worth, didn't live up to it, and that directly led to the drafting of Vernon Gholston.  Likewise, the sudden up & down of Brett Favre directly led to the move up to draft Mark Sanchez.  Throwing still more money at Sanchez on a 2nd contract (not to mention also making a move to make a move get Tim Tebow) certainly appears to directly led to us passing on drafting Russell Wilson.  Then there's the brilliance of awarding Santonio Holmes a $45M contract.  The lack of cap room left from these moves caused us to trade up for such gems as Stephen Hill, and force us to start him as a rookie no less since there was no one else.

 

Forgive me for not basking in the glory of what never was.

 

Freddy Coupon.  How droll.

 

 

Aside from Sanchez and Holmes contracts, there wasn't any crazy money being thrown around. Thomas Jones is who I was talking about. Look at how the draft has turned out so far, some of their picks work out, most don't...Trying to say we'll only improve the team by drafting players is silly, thats like saying I'll count on the casino to pay the mortgage. Your not always going to get a Sherman in round 5 or a  Brady in Round 6, chances are you won't.

 

Parcels called some players Planet Players...Meaning, there once in a lifetime type of players and if they ever become available, you get em.. Revis is a planet player and BB obviously acknowledged that even though Revis called him a Jerk in public. The fact that we didn't make any sort of push is crazy to say the least.

[Villain The Foe]

Aside from Sanchez and Holmes contracts, there wasn't any crazy money being thrown around. Thomas Jones is who I was talking about. Look at how the draft has turned out so far, some of their picks work out, most don't...Trying to say we'll only improve the team by drafting players is silly, thats like saying I'll count on the casino to pay the mortgage. Your not always going to get a Sherman in round 5 or a  Brady in Round 6, chances are you won't.

 

Parcels called some players Planet Players...Meaning, there once in a lifetime type of players and if they ever become available, you get em.. Revis is a planet player and BB obviously acknowledged that even though Revis called him a Jerk in public. The fact that we didn't make any sort of push is crazy to say the least.

Planet Players want planet money. They can have it....somewhere else. 

How many rings does Revis and the Jets have? How about Revis and the Bucs? Actually, we traded away the planet player to the Bucs drafted the DPOTY with their pick and with virtually the worst WR core in the league, inconsistent safeties, a hurt #1 CB and a rookie #2CB that was getting torched for 3/4's of the season we still had a better record than the Bucs. Oh, and didnt we beat them week one? 

 

 

Revis is a planet player, let the evil empire give him 16 million dollars. I prefer that Idzik stay his course and build this team from the bottom up like no other GM had the patience to do. 

[Il Mostro]

Correct, except it isn't the people who were here on JN for the Tannenbaum years.  It's all these newcomers who are the one's complaining.  The old guard, for the most part, likes the fact that Idzik has been making very good decisions at every turn.

 

 

Attribute it to having scar tissue and having been around the block a few times.  Perspective.

[jgb]

Aside from Sanchez and Holmes contracts, there wasn't any crazy money being thrown around. Thomas Jones is who I was talking about. Look at how the draft has turned out so far, some of their picks work out, most don't...Trying to say we'll only improve the team by drafting players is silly, thats like saying I'll count on the casino to pay the mortgage. Your not always going to get a Sherman in round 5 or a  Brady in Round 6, chances are you won't.

 

Parcels called some players Planet Players...Meaning, there once in a lifetime type of players and if they ever become available, you get em.. Revis is a planet player and BB obviously acknowledged that even though Revis called him a Jerk in public. The fact that we didn't make any sort of push is crazy to say the least.

 

Why am I not surprised you are misparaphrasing Parcells to suit your own needs? What parcells said was there are not many huge guys (figurative "planets") that are athletic enough to play in the NFL in the World (a literal "planet"). So when you have a chance for one of those guys you need to take it. See it's a clever play on words with a double meaning and it refers to a hard to find size-to-athletiscm ratio, and not to players like Revis and Manning. And it wasn't even parcells' theory originally: it came from the late giants exec George Young. Besides, Revis is only an island, which as we all know is merely a tiny piece of a planet.

[Irish Jet]

I think there's a bit of a middle ground between blindly believing in Idzik and completely writing him off. The idea that slightly overpaying for a good NFL player is going to turn you into “Raiders East”, a team that overspends on just about every player and drafts horrendously, is as naive as it is saying we’re doomed because we’re doing nothing.

 

I’d like to have thought at least one other position would be sorted right now. We’re going to need another TE, another RB/WR, another QB, another CB and ideally a pass rusher (how many ******* years...). We really NEED those players before we can think about luxury positions. We may not be good enough to win a SB, but we’re not bad enough to tank either. We should be looking to compete. This draft is shaping up to be absolutely huge for Idizik and Ryan both. The last one probably saved Ryan’s job. 

[Irish Jet]

Giacomino is NOT as good as Howard by most scouting analysis. He is lighter and quicker, but NOT as good a run blocker and not as strong. Idzik paid less and the Jets got less. Interesting how his philosophy is the polar OPPOSITE of Tanny who LOVED to give guys WAY more than they expected while Idzik counts pennies. Don't know who is worse at this point. At least Tanny TRIED to improve the team even if he had to overpay. Well, guess what THAT'S WHAT FREE AGENCY IS ABOUT. Bill Polian described free agency as the "Opportunity for 32 teams to over pay for marginal talent."

 

I think Tanny's general philosophy gets a rough deal here because of the terrible Sanchez/Holmes deals, the former of which is probably the worst contract I’ve ever seen handed out. I liked his aggression though, generally. He went for it all a few times and nearly got us there. We looked as good as anyone in 2008 prior Favre’s injury and then got to two consecutive title games, largely on the back of some brilliant, aggressive management.

 

What killed him was the investment Sanchez, I’ll never blame him for drafting him, in fact the trade was actually pretty good value, he just didn’t work out and after that you cannot give him that deal. Had he been the QB we thought he could have been Tanny would still be here and we probably have a SB win. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Aside from Sanchez and Holmes contracts, there wasn't any crazy money being thrown around. Thomas Jones is who I was talking about. Look at how the draft has turned out so far, some of their picks work out, most don't...Trying to say we'll only improve the team by drafting players is silly, thats like saying I'll count on the casino to pay the mortgage. Your not always going to get a Sherman in round 5 or a  Brady in Round 6, chances are you won't.

 

Parcels called some players Planet Players...Meaning, there once in a lifetime type of players and if they ever become available, you get em.. Revis is a planet player and BB obviously acknowledged that even though Revis called him a Jerk in public. The fact that we didn't make any sort of push is crazy to say the least.

 

 

 

"Aside from 2 ridiculous contracts for crazy money, that probably directly led to his getting fired, Tannenbuam didn't throw around crazy money."

 

Right.  That $8M/year with $20M guaranteed for Faneca was totally not crazy for the 1 good season we got out of him.  Nor was the same money for Bart Scott and his 1 really good season.  Nor was handing David Harris $30M guaranteed and getting frankly zero really good seasons since (though we did get to watch him get fat and slow; I mean slower).  The Jenkins signing was ultimately a very bad one (not to mention costing a couple of draft picks), and the only reason that didn't blow up bigger is from out of nowhere the light suddenly going on with Pouha. The same thing that you're whining about getting one-upped is the only thing that prevented Tannenbaum from inking Nnamdi Asomugha to the 5 year $60M contract with $25M or so guaranteed that the Eagles ultimately signed him to.  I'll bet you were pissed about losing out on that one as well (though you'd likely never admit it).

 

BB acknowledged that he had no CBs on his team while in win-now mode with a window closing as his HOF QB is closing out his career.  Nothing more.   The fact that we didn't make any sort of push is indicative that we have 2 first round CBs on the team, as well as being indicative of working for an owner who probably vetoed this possibility a year ago. 

 

And by the way, f*ck Bill Parcells.  He's the reason Belichick went to New England in the first place where we were then left with Groh and then Herm.  And hilarity ensued. 

[eboozer]

There's a whole lot of intangibles that go with those numbers, I hardly call this proof.  

MattPL,

  I understand your disgust.... but we're out numbered by all these great Jet football minds, these sages of football. You can't question the F.O. just say what a great job their doing.

 

It's been said during the Tannenbaum years and years prior to him. We need to just sit and keep waiting as we build through the draft, and maybe in another 3-4 years we'll be ready to compete for a title. No sense spending money now..... we'll hit on 1 or 2 really good draft picks, get 3-4 depth/development guys and miss on a few. We'll do this for another 2-3 years and maybe then we can drop some coin on elite FA or 2.

 

Save your breath.... suffer in silence

 

“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”

― Benjamin Franklin

[SouthernJet]

Aside from Sanchez and Holmes contracts, there wasn't any crazy money being thrown around. Thomas Jones is who I was talking about. Look at how the draft has turned out so far, some of their picks work out, most don't...Trying to say we'll only improve the team by drafting players is silly, thats like saying I'll count on the casino to pay the mortgage. Your not always going to get a Sherman in round 5 or a  Brady in Round 6, chances are you won't.

 

Parcels called some players Planet Players...Meaning, there once in a lifetime type of players and if they ever become available, you get em.. Revis is a planet player and BB obviously acknowledged that even though Revis called him a Jerk in public. The fact that we didn't make any sort of push is crazy to say the least.

[SouthernJet]

This happens every year in FA. .many of the teams that 'win' FA end up suffering or wasting cap space down road, ,what you want to win is the marathon of FA, draft, UDFA's, in season signings, multi year growth, cap management to help in out years etc

[Jetsfan80]

The goal is to be a contender for the next 10 years, not try to go Super Bowl or bust in 2.

 

Had Tannenbaum gotten Favre instead of Sanchez, maybe we win a title in '09 or '10.  But it didn't happen that way, and now we're just coming out of cap hell.  Idzik's way >>>>>>> Tannenbaum's way.

[SouthernJet]

The goal is to be a contender for the next 10 years, not try to go Super Bowl or bust in 2.

stop making sense or we will ban you

[AVM]

 

MattPL,

  I understand your disgust.... but we're out numbered by all these great Jet football minds, these sages of football. You can't question the F.O. just say what a great job their doing.

 

It's been said during the Tannenbaum years and years prior to him. We need to just sit and keep waiting as we build through the draft, and maybe in another 3-4 years we'll be ready to compete for a title. No sense spending money now..... we'll hit on 1 or 2 really good draft picks, get 3-4 depth/development guys and miss on a few. We'll do this for another 2-3 years and maybe then we can drop some coin on elite FA or 2.

 

Save your breath.... suffer in silence

 

“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”

― Benjamin Franklin

 

 

I said this to stoic last night, and I'll repeat it again:

 

There's a difference between questioning or disagreeing and whining like a high school girl that didn't get invited to prom in every thread you can find.  You lot are doing the latter.

[ylekram]

just a question to everybody on this board. winers, undecided's, and idzik balls washers, please respond

would you be happy ,mad, or unsure if the jets signed these players this week

 

1. wr eric decker- 7.3m

2. og Schwartz/ og asamwauh- 4.2m- 4.5m either or

3. cb verner- 6.6m

4. ss ward-5.5m

 

all young talented players at positions of need for the jets. some come with pro bowl credentials.

total cap $ spent = 23.6m or 23.9m if you prefer asamwauh

after sanchez is released. cap availability = 20m-25m

please, no childish replies

[BurnleyJet]

 

Oh look its the SOJ Fans again, I'm glad I'm not the Raiders, those guys will over pay for any old Trash.

 

Another Corner and a Safety should be ideal then we have a big bag of draft picks.

[Jetsfan80]

There's a whole lot of intangibles that go with those numbers, I hardly call this proof.  

 

Where's YOUR proof that Howard is better? 

[AVM]

The goal is to be a contender for the next 10 years, not try to go Super Bowl or bust in 2.

 

LOL dumb 80...don't you remember the 2 Super Bowls Brett Favre and Ty Law won for us?

[AVM]

Where's YOUR proof that Howard is better? 

 

Dude...do you even read Twitter?

[eboozer]

I said this to stoic last night, and I'll repeat it again:

 

There's a difference between questioning or disagreeing and whining like a high school girl that didn't get invited to prom in every thread you can find.  You lot are doing the latter.

Wow! very adult response. Explain the difference to me, if you would, so I'll know how to complain without being the latter.

[slats]

We're not even three full days into free agency yet. Lol.

I suspect that if Idzik had closed Vontae Davis, this discussion doesn't happen. Or at least there are a lot fewer people in the sky is falling category. That one hurt a little bit, but I don't know how many of us saw him as a $10M/year CB last week. Petitigrew is a JAG, and I have the cred to say that now because I said as much when I thought we actually signed him. No great loss.

I don't know what he's going to do next, but I do know that with each signing at this point the prices are coming down for the players who haven't latched on anywhere yet. There are still a lot of upgrades available out there at a lot of positions of need for the Jets.

I suggest being patient because you really have no choice in the matter. Idzik is doing everything out of the spotlight, something Jet fans aren't used to. I'm willing to wait and see what the roster looks like when training camp opens, rather than bitch & moan at the 68 hour mark. Lol. But that's me.

[eboozer]

 

Oh look its the SOJ Fans again, I'm glad I'm not the Raiders, those guys will over pay for any old Trash.

 

Another Corner and a Safety should be ideal then we have a big bag of draft picks.

Fan for 30 years (You get less for Murder these days!)

 

This sounds like a SOJF. You forgot TE, veteran QB, RG and another WR as we get our big bag of draft picks.

[AVM]

Wow! very adult response. Explain the difference to me, if you would, so I'll know how to complain without being the latter.

 

Go to prom and steal the head cheerleaders date.  Just like all the big girls do.

[eboozer]

just a question to everybody on this board. winers, undecided's, and idzik balls washers, please respond

would you be happy ,mad, or unsure if the jets signed these players this week

 

1. wr eric decker- 7.3m

2. og Schwartz/ og asamwauh- 4.2m- 4.5m either or

3. cb verner- 6.6m

4. ss ward-5.5m

 

all young talented players at positions of need for the jets. some come with pro bowl credentials.

total cap $ spent = 23.6m or 23.9m if you prefer asamwauh

after sanchez is released. cap availability = 20m-25m

please, no childish replies

Thank you! That isn't too much to ask, is it?

[Jetknowledge]

I'm mad only because all the good players are going to be gone and idzik said he doesn't want to take rookies to fill needs but we're going to have to soon. Smh