F.Chowds Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 1. Woe-ffense: For too long, the Jets have been playing offense with hand-me-downs from other teams -- free-agent pick ups, trade acquisitions and an assortment of castoffs. The list is long: Brett Favre, Thomas Jones, LaDainian Tomlinson, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow, etc. The Jets' best offensive player of this generation, Curtis Martin, came from the New England Patriots. Eric Decker, Chris Johnson and Michael Vick are the latest to join the recycled crowd, although Decker was a premium free agent. There's no law that says you can't build this way, but the lack of homegrown talent is both alarming an mind-boggling. Try to wrap your brain around this: The last-drafted skill-position player to make the Pro Bowl on offense was wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, the first overall pick in 1996. As Keyshawn himself would say, "Come on, man!" They've drafted some "almosts" over the years, players such as Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene and Dustin Keller, but they never hit it big for various reasons. Santana Moss and Laveranues Coles made the Pro Bowl, but they did it with the Washington Redskins. The point is, the Jets never will escape also-ran status until they draft and develop their own stars. They should keep that in mind when they start drafting in 11 days. 2. Dreaming of a tight end: The Jets really like North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron. They see him as a wide receiver/tight end hybrid that would be a matchup nightmare in a flexed position. Problem is, it's hard to imagine him falling to 18th. The Buffalo Bills (ninth) and New York Giants (12th) need a tight end and could take Ebron. If he gets past the Bills, what would it take to get ahead of the Giants? According to the draft value chart, the Jets would have to trade their third rounder and their two non-compensatory fourth-round picks to move up to the 11th spot, currently held by the Tennessee Titans. That's a lot to give up for a tight end. 2.a. Scouting term of the week: In a conference call with the NFL Nation reporters, ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay used the term "buffet blocker." What is a buffet blocker? "He kind of picks and chooses when he wants to get interested," McShay said. In case you're wondering, he was referring to Ebron. 3. The Fab Four: If I had to select the four most likely picks for the Jets at 18, I'd say: wide receivers Brandin Cooks and Odell Beckham Jr., and cornerbacks Darqueze Dennard andJustin Gilbert. That could change by draft day, of course, but that's what I'm hearing right now. 4. Don't forget the D: For those who believe the Jets absolutely must go heavy on offense in this draft, consider this: The Jets recorded sacks on only 4.6 percent of third-down dropbacks, the only team in the league under 6.5 percent, according to ESPN Stats & Information. You know what that tells me? The "Sons of Anarchy" could use some help. 5. Q's time is now: The Jets made the no-brainer decision by exercising the fifth-year option for Muhammad Wilkerson ($6.97 million). Next year, the decision might not be so cut-and-dried with 2012 first-rounder Quinton Coples, who has yet to approach his potential. The fixed salary won't be set for another year, but they're looking at about $7 million for Coples. They're expecting big things this year from Coples, whose development was impeded last season with the switch to rush linebacker. 6. Double rejection: Rex Ryan is popular coach, evidenced by his fourth-place finish in a 2013 ESPN.com survey that asked players across the league to name the coach they'd most like to play for. But the notion that all players are dying to play for Ryan and the Jets is a bit ridiculous. For instance: They were spurned by two free agents that took less money to play for other teams. Wide receiver Sidney Rice, who recently visited with the Jets, said he decided to return to the Seattle Seahawks (one year, $1.4 million) even though the Jets offered him more. Safety Kurt Coleman, who signed with the Minnesota Vikings (one year, $900,000) after visiting the Jets, said the Jets offered some guaranteed money. The Vikings didn't, but he opted for them anyway. Apparently, some players can resist Ryan's charm and the Jets' money. 7. Cornering the market: If the Jets don't pick a cornerback in the first round, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets explore the possibility of acquiring a veteran, perhaps in a trade. There has been speculation about the Dallas Cowboys trying to deal the disappointing Morris Claiborne, the sixth overall pick in 2012, but they'd take a major cap hit. Right now, his cap charge is $4.4 million, but it would explode to $9.6 million if they trade him, counting the bonus acceleration. The Cowboys would have to receive an offer they can't refuse to asborb that kind of hit. 8. From the what-if dept.: This never became public, but the Jets showed interest in wide receiver Julian Edelman during free agency. Ryan, in particular, was intrigued by the idea of stealing a weapon from the rival Patriots. Edelman ended up re-signing with the Patriots for $17 million over four years. Landing Edelman would've been quite a coup. 9. Sign of the times: In 2014, the Jets will pay kicker Nick Folk ($3.6 million) almost as much as running back Chris Johnson ($4 million), once regarded as one of the elite players in the league. It's a tale of two markets: Kicker salaries are increasing, running-back prices are plummeting. 10. Not what you think: I've heard coaches over the years say they prefer to face teams with new head coaches early in the season, figuring they still will be getting acclimated to new schemes. This may surprise you, but there's no evidence to suggest those particular teams are more vulnerable early in the season than late. Since 2000, new head coaches have a .453 winning percentage in the first month, followed by .427 in October, .455 in November and .451 in the final month, per ESPN Stats & Information. The Jets play three teams with new coaches, only one of which comes early -- the Detroit Lions (Sept. 28). They also have the Minnesota Vikings (Dec. 7) and Tennessee Titans (Dec. 14). 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Larz Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 6. Double rejection: Rex Ryan is popular coach, evidenced by his fourth-place finish in a 2013 ESPN.com survey that asked players across the league to name the coach they'd most like to play for. But the notion that all players are dying to play for Ryan and the Jets is a bit ridiculous. For instance: They were spurned by two free agents that took less money to play for other teams. Wide receiver Sidney Rice, who recently visited with the Jets, said he decided to return to the Seattle Seahawks (one year, $1.4 million) even though the Jets offered him more. Safety Kurt Coleman, who signed with the Minnesota Vikings (one year, $900,000) after visiting the Jets, said the Jets offered some guaranteed money. The Vikings didn't, but he opted for them anyway. Apparently, some players can resist Ryan's charm and the Jets' money. how is this a rejection of rex specifically ? and why not list all the HC's that got rejected by the players in favor of rex over 3 years if signing equals HC opinion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 When was the last time we took a back or wr in the first round ? Taking a corner in round one this year would be nothing less than cowardly, and this post proves why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 When was the last time we took a back or wr in the first round ? Taking a corner in round one this year would be nothing less than cowardly, and this post proves why. RB's are being devalued by the whole league and there certainly isn't one worth taking at 18. if all the good WR's are gone, I don't want to take one at 18 just for the sake of it when you would get more value with another position. why would it be cowardly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 When was the last time we took a back or wr in the first round ?Taking a corner in round one this year would be nothing less thancowardly, and this post proves why. If the BAP left on their board at pick #18 is a CB, then CB would be the smart pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 6. Double rejection: Rex Ryan is popular coach, evidenced by his fourth-place finish in a 2013 ESPN.com survey that asked players across the league to name the coach they'd most like to play for. But the notion that all players are dying to play for Ryan and the Jets is a bit ridiculous. For instance: They were spurned by two free agents that took less money to play for other teams. Wide receiver Sidney Rice, who recently visited with the Jets, said he decided to return to the Seattle Seahawks (one year, $1.4 million) even though the Jets offered him more. Safety Kurt Coleman, who signed with the Minnesota Vikings (one year, $900,000) after visiting the Jets, said the Jets offered some guaranteed money. The Vikings didn't, but he opted for them anyway. Apparently, some players can resist Ryan's charm and the Jets' money. I actually laughed out loud reading this. The whole thing wasn't useful, but this one takes the cake. I wish they landed Edelman, always randomly been a fan of that guy's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 RB's are being devalued by the whole league and there certainly isn't one worth taking at 18. if all the good WR's are gone, I don't want to take one at 18 just for the sake of it when you would get more value with another position. why would it be cowardly ? Living life on the defensive all the time is cowardly, there are times you have to go on the offensive in order to win in both football and life, we will see what Rex and Idzik are made of May 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Living life on the defensive all the time is cowardly, there are times you have to go on the offensive in order to win in both football and life, we will see what Rex and Idzik are made of May 8th. Pete Carroll just said recently that he won it all by copying Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Don't forget the D Yyyeeeeeeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 It's not true we don't successfully draft offensive players. We drafted John Riggins, he played great for us, so we traded him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 It's not true we don't successfully draft offensive players. We drafted John Riggins, he played great for us, so we traded him. Jets didn't trade Riggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Living life on the defensive all the time is cowardly, there are times you have to go on the offensive in order to win in both football and life, we will see what Rex and Idzik are made of May 8th. the most reliable predictor of post season success is passer rating differential. having another corner helps keep the opponents rating down. It's a solid strategy. I would actually prefer a safety over a corner if the top 2 corners are gone and you aren't really equating defense to defensive are you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 If the BAP left on their board at pick #18 is a CB, then CB would be the smart pick. BAP could be 32 different people its the biggest cop out GM's use. If you really think about it BAP is a total joke. Is it BAP or Best available athlete ? Joke. If you need a LT and its your turn to pick but you have 2 players listed above the next best LT do you take one of the other 2 players cause they are BAP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 BAP could be 32 different people its the biggest cop out GM's use. If you really think about it BAP is a total joke. Is it BAP or Best available athlete ? Joke. If you need a LT and its your turn to pick but you have 2 players listed above the next best LT do you take one of the other 2 players cause they are BAP ? BAP, to me, is a ranking of players based on their talents, value of their position, and to some degree need. Seventeen players get drafted before the Jets are up, the team -if they're smart- is taking the top player left on their board at that time. Forcing a pick based on need is one of the best ways to have a bad draft. That's one of the big reasons why it's wise to shore up your needs as much as possible before the draft. Besides, there are very few positions that aren't needs on the Jets, and CB is probably one of the most pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Jets didn't trade Riggins they were cheap towards the best offensive player they EVER had because they had to give Namath all the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 When was the last time we took a back or wr in the first round ? Taking a corner in round one this year would be nothing less than cowardly, and this post proves why. This from the guy that says that five WRs and Ebron will be gone before we pick? Smart move in that circumstance will certainly be to force pick the next WR on our board. Maybe better to pick a RB! How many have a 1st round grade? None? Pick one anyway you filthy stinking cowards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 This from the guy that says that five WRs and Ebron will be gone before we pick? Smart move in that circumstance will certainly be to force pick the next WR on our board. Maybe better to pick a RB! How many have a 1st round grade? None? Pick one anyway you filthy stinking cowards! LOL A lot of scouts don't think any corner this year should go in the top 20, that certainly was music to my ears, has a corner ever gone no. 1 in the draft ? A lot of mocks of have teams like Pittsburg and The Giants taking OL, when they will grab a wr, people don't realize that with Ebron and all these wr, this is a skill player draft, definitely void of cb talent, with a few good safeties, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 6. Double rejection: Rex Ryan is popular coach, evidenced by his fourth-place finish in a 2013 ESPN.com survey that asked players across the league to name the coach they'd most like to play for. But the notion that all players are dying to play for Ryan and the Jets is a bit ridiculous. For instance: They were spurned by two free agents that took less money to play for other teams. Wide receiver Sidney Rice, who recently visited with the Jets, said he decided to return to the Seattle Seahawks (one year, $1.4 million) even though the Jets offered him more. Safety Kurt Coleman, who signed with the Minnesota Vikings (one year, $900,000) after visiting the Jets, said the Jets offered some guaranteed money. The Vikings didn't, but he opted for them anyway. Apparently, some players can resist Ryan's charm and the Jets' money. how is this a rejection of rex specifically ? and why not list all the HC's that got rejected by the players in favor of rex over 3 years if signing equals HC opinion ? Yeah, this one struck me as a bit odd as well, especially considering there are a lot more factors that play into it than just money. While this may not necesarily be the case for these players, there's plenty of times that players will opt for the team in which they feel they have a better chance to start and/or even just make the roster. In truth, Rice he's probably looking at a starting spot with Seattle considering he's been a starter there when heathy and Seattle lost Tate this offseason. And while his odds for that with the Jets would seem pretty good, I'm sure the Jets told him he'd be competing. After all, Decker is locked in as the #1 and I would bet good money that if Hill looks like he's starting to live up to his potential during this year's camp and preseason, nobody is going to take that #2 job away from him. This is obviously all hypothetical, but the point is that there are plenty of reasons that could be on this list beyond either of these guys thinking "Nah, Rex sucks!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 BAP, to me, is a ranking of players based on their talents, value of their position, and to some degree need. Seventeen players get drafted before the Jets are up, the team -if they're smart- is taking the top player left on their board at that time. Forcing a pick based on need is one of the best ways to have a bad draft. That's one of the big reasons why it's wise to shore up your needs as much as possible before the draft. Besides, there are very few positions that aren't needs on the Jets, and CB is probably one of the most pressing. Not to mention CB has become one of the worst bangs for the buck in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 LOL A lot of scouts don't think any corner this year should go in the top 20, that certainly was music to my ears, has a corner ever gone no. 1 in the draft ? A lot of mocks of have teams like Pittsburg and The Giants taking OL, when they will grab a wr, people don't realize that with Ebron and all these wr, this is a skill player draft, definitely void of cb talent, with a few good safeties, It's been 20 years since anyone's taken a RB #1 in the country, and it wasn't exactly a resounding success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 fwiw being reported the Giants wont take Ebron at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 fwiw being reported the Giants wont take Ebron at 12. Subterfuge! Page 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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