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Reading Collision Low Crossers (finally). Reads like the preface to a eulogy. My egomaniacal thoughts.

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it seems like some fans would rather the team go 1-15 than go to the AFC CG. 

 

Parcells got there once, Rex got their twice.

The choice unltimately would be a choice between Mariota and , uh, another DL guy, of course. 2013's 8-8 could have been the msot egregiuos example of putting lipstick on a pig in pro sports history. Decisions which were unfounded were based on that very lucky record. The Jets pretended beating 3 tomato cans in Decmeber(when they also got spanked by the Panthers in the one game that month they faced a competent defense and real QB) was grounds for a parade. It wasn't.

Look at it this way-is anyone in Indy today upset over sucking for Luck?

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that's what Rex's Ryan's resume says. 4 playoff wins. Most in franchise history. More than many HC candidates. 

 

He had two good runs, there is no denying it. He can come up with a great game plan.

 

It's not enough to be a HC, its just not.

 

He is far too flawed. The concept of "his defense" vs. "the offense" is a major problem.

 

The player loyalty without ramifications is a major problem.

 

His lack of ability to recognize, or develop talent outside of DL is a major problem.

 

His 4 playoff wins were great, some of my best memories as a Jet fan, but its simply not enough. We have to be willing to risk getting worse, in order to reward getting better. Rex is not the guy, he is just not.

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that's what Rex's Ryan's resume says. 4 playoff wins. Most in franchise history. More than many HC candidates.

Are those our two choices right now? Because to my eyes it's a choice between 1 win and 5 wins. I'd rather take the 1 win.

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it seems like some fans would rather the team go 1-15 than go to the AFC CG. 

 

Parcells got there once, Rex got their twice. 

on the coattails of a mangini put together roster a roster that had a bunch of smart people on it. The roster rex has slowly had a hand in putting together consists of a bunch of dumb ass's like himself.

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Today's takeaway-Pettine was the brains behind the defense. Ryan has no idea and no invovlement with the offense to the point not clear he has nay authority or knowledge enough to yank SMith.

Mkae no mistake-Pettine is as a odd a duck and problematic a hire as Rex Ryan. May be it goes to poop in Cleveland. But clearly Ryan has done nothing good without Pettine.Right now looks like they exiled the wrong defensive genius.

As awful as this team is, they got to the point that they did have 2 shots at tying the game. And Smith is so awful it was never really a reality except on the scoreboard. You can talk about weapons, rushing, OL,etc.This is hwere a real QB does the job. The Jets had 2 drives to tie the game, one ended baldy the other even worse with a Pick 6. This Smith is not an NFL QB. A real HC sits him probably forever. Rex Ryan,l being and offensive dunderhead, will tort out ther "Gives us the best chance to win" mantra again. What a joke.

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Today's takeaway-Pettine was the brains behind the defense. Ryan has no idea and no invovlement with the offense to the point not clear he has nay authority or knowledge enough to yank SMith.

Mkae no mistake-Pettine is as a odd a duck and problematic a hire as Rex Ryan. May be it goes to poop in Cleveland. But clearly Ryan has done nothing good without Pettine.Right now looks like they exiled the wrong defensive genius.

As awful as this team is, they got to the point that they did have 2 shots at tying the game. And Smith is so awful it was never really a reality except on the scoreboard. You can talk about weapons, rushing, OL,etc.This is hwere a real QB does the job. The Jets had 2 drives to tie the game, one ended baldy the other even worse with a Pick 6. This Smith is not an NFL QB. A real HC sits him probably forever. Rex Ryan,l being and offensive dunderhead, will tort out ther "Gives us the best chance to win" mantra again. What a joke.

 

I think this is a stretch.

 

Pettine seems to have a good sense for running the show, but I'd hardly push this "we exiled the wrong defensive genius" bit. The primary reason the Browns are winning is because Kyle Shanahan understands that he's got a boss offensive line, and he's able to get the most out of a pretty pedestrian group of offensive players. 

 

The bigger takeaway to me is that Pettine is not hindering the offense. The way Rex rolls, his minimal input on the offense is "call the game in fear of the QB screwing us with mistakes" and "take everyone off the field when they get rolling, and run something like the wildcat to catch defenses off-guard". As off-handed comments from HC to OC, these may not be a big deal to some, but the totality of the impact of having a HC that instills the fear and distrust of his own QB the way Rex does is evident, and has been evident, his entire tenure here. 

 

If Rex didn't have to play a QB, he probably wouldn't. Having someone that shudders with obvious fear of the next QB mistake, and really doesn't hide his disdain for how they put "his defense" in a bad position inhibits any and all chances of us every grooming a QB here under Rex.

 

He was born and bred to hate QBs. 

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it seems like some fans would rather the team go 1-15 than go to the AFC CG.

 

In your laughable attempt to oversimplify you actually made a point that is worth discussing.

 

1.  We got no trophies for those AFC Title game appearances.  If that's Rex's ceiling it's not high enough.  Unless of course our goal is to win not Super Bowls.

 

2.  The Colts tanked for 1 year and got Andrew Luck, who I hear is pretty good.

 

 

So yes, based on MY oversimplification, in at least one instance, 1-15 IS actually better than going to the AFC Title game.  The only unfortunate thing is that there doesn't appear to be an Andrew Luck in this particular draft.

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In your laughable attempt to oversimplify you actually made a point that is worth discussing.

 

1.  We got no trophies for those AFC Title game appearances.  If that's Rex's ceiling it's not high enough.  Unless of course our goal is to win not Super Bowls.

 

2.  The Colts tanked for 1 year and got Andrew Luck, who I hear is pretty good.

 

 

So yes, based on MY oversimplification, in at least one instance, 1-15 IS actually better than going to the AFC Title game.  The only unfortunate thing is that there doesn't appear to be an Andrew Luck in this particular draft.

 

 

ewww you took Bit's bait.

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 As awful as this team is, they got to the point that they did have 2 shots at tying the game. And Smith is so awful it was never really a reality except on the scoreboard. You can talk about weapons, rushing, OL,etc.This is hwere a real QB does the job. The Jets had 2 drives to tie the game, one ended baldy the other even worse with a Pick 6. This Smith is not an NFL QB. A real HC sits him probably forever. Rex Ryan,l being and offensive dunderhead, will tort out ther "Gives us the best chance to win" mantra again. What a joke.

 

Rex doesn't get to pick the starting QB. it's an idzik decision all the way 

 

 

and by the way just cause the Colts got Luck (20 years after getting Peyton) doesn't mean going 1-15 is the way to succeed. Those are once in a generation prospects. Literally once every 10-20 years a guy like that comes around. 

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Mike Pettine?  The guy who got his defensive play calling pulled midseason twice and had the D immediately perform better?  BRAINS OF THE OPERATION!  What a shock that the guy who spent the most time kissing up the author would come out looking better. 

 

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Loves him some sexy Rexy!

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Loves him some sexy Rexy!

 

That may be true, but it has nothing to do with this.  Pettine may be a better HC, he seems more organized and "adult" but he is also a ******* high school coach that owes his career to Rex and when Rex gave him play calling duties the D got worse in two different seasons.  

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Mike Pettine?  The guy who got his defensive play calling pulled midseason twice and had the D immediately perform better?  BRAINS OF THE OPERATION!  What a shock that the guy who spent the most time kissing up the author would come out looking better. 

 

It's not a matter of better or worse. In the book, Rex does a poor job of delegating what he expects in the game plans and what he wants out of his coordinators. The confusion winds up causing some real problems and Pettine, rightfully so, speaks his mind about it because who wouldn't? It's in the latter part of the book, but it's a fairly objective account of the relationship between the two and the onus, without any bias from the author, is certainly on Rex. I was always curious why he didn't seek a renewal after his contract expired, and after you get through the book it's pretty obvious.

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That may be true, but it has nothing to do with this.  Pettine may be a better HC, he seems more organized and "adult" but he is also a ******* high school coach that owes his career to Rex and when Rex gave him play calling duties the D got worse in two different seasons.  

 

Not long ago Chip Kelly was a HS coach, now  he is looking like one of the best HC's in the league. Not sure what being a HS coach has to do with anything.

 

Jim Fassel once took playcalling away from Sean Peyton, how'd that work out for the two of them?

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Not long ago Chip Kelly was a HS coach, now  he is looking like one of the best HC's in the league. Not sure what being a HS coach has to do with anything.

 

Jim Fassel once took playcalling away from Sean Peyton, how'd that work out for the two of them?

 

Not that it is even remotely relevant to what I was saying, but New Hampshire is a college, not a high school.

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