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1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said:

They have sewn the seeds of a ton of sh*t this season and you hillbillies have done nothing but complain. 

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They seriously had to have the impending incest finally happen while simultaneously talking in depth about how super-incesty it really was, and how they'd give Jon a heads up about that incest right away?  That was really just unnecessary.

Other than that, and Euron continuing to be absolutely awful beyond words (but at least the kept it brief), the rest of the episode was pretty good.  The ending was pretty much exactly as anticipated, so for me didn't really have the kind of impact they were obviously hoping for, but can't really blame them too much there.

On a side note, they need to come up with an excuse for one of Bran's flashbacks next season to include a visit from Ned (specifically, Sean Bean's Ned), just... because.

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Littlefinger finally getting his was definitely the highlight of the episode.  They had Sansa looking clueless again at the start, but at least they finally put an end to it, as an act or otherwise, it was certainly getting old.  Arya slicing his throat with the knife was a nice touch, definitely was the one moment of cheer from me on this one.

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On 8/25/2017 at 4:56 PM, T0mShane said:

I just watched the episode and I had some issues with it. Thrones does a lot of mirroring, and it's what we got here with the dragon wiping out a bunch of chaff and a major character going into the water as in a baptism, from whence they emerge with some humility. Problem is, the dragons v white walkers was something being set up for years at this point, and it ended up feeling like a recycled visual because we just saw the same effect two weeks ago. If they did this as a narrative choice (employing dragon rage as a precursor to Jamie and Jon Snow having a baptismal awakening), it better pay off huge or it'll have been a waste. 

 

One of the pitfalls with moving beyond the books is that Benioff, etc might lose patience for, and interest in, some of the more clever plot elements from the books. Consider the discipline it took to carry out the Hodor/Hold The Door storyline, for instance. Is that kind of stuff going to fall off as we move forward, with no one beholden to any text? While this season has been pretty good, it doesn't feel as clever(?) as past seasons. Instead, it feels like Lord of the Rings. Could just be that I'm spoiled by previous seasons.

 

 

Agreed. I've enjoyed most of this season, a lot, but there are a handful of occasions where it seems like they gave Michael Bay parts of the episode to direct. Before RJF gets all angry (<3 you), I still thoroughly enjoyed this season, just not as much as previous ones. 

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1 hour ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

Agreed. I've enjoyed most of this season, a lot, but there are a handful of occasions where it seems like they gave Michael Bay parts of the episode to direct. Before RJF gets all angry (<3 you), I still thoroughly enjoyed this season, just not as much as previous ones. 

OH I'M SORRY MILLHOUSE WAS THE ZOMBIE DRAGON DESTROYING THE WALL NOT CEREBRAL ENOUGH FOR YOU.

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On 8/22/2017 at 7:33 PM, JiF said:

Sansa acts like she sees through Littlefinger but is playing right into him.  She's annoying me.  I want Arya to out smart this and kill him so bad but I've got these weird feeling he pulls something craz off. 

So, happy now?

That was a nice scene.  :)

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On 8/25/2017 at 3:56 PM, T0mShane said:

I just watched the episode and I had some issues with it. Thrones does a lot of mirroring, and it's what we got here with the dragon wiping out a bunch of chaff and a major character going into the water as in a baptism, from whence they emerge with some humility. Problem is, the dragons v white walkers was something being set up for years at this point, and it ended up feeling like a recycled visual because we just saw the same effect two weeks ago. If they did this as a narrative choice (employing dragon rage as a precursor to Jamie and Jon Snow having a baptismal awakening), it better pay off huge or it'll have been a waste. 

 

One of the pitfalls with moving beyond the books is that Benioff, etc might lose patience for, and interest in, some of the more clever plot elements from the books. Consider the discipline it took to carry out the Hodor/Hold The Door storyline, for instance. Is that kind of stuff going to fall off as we move forward, with no one beholden to any text? While this season has been pretty good, it doesn't feel as clever(?) as past seasons. Instead, it feels like Lord of the Rings. Could just be that I'm spoiled by previous seasons.

It's not as clever as previous seasons, but I look at it as this is the 3rd act of a movie.

The characters are developed.  All the pieces are out there, now its just the climatic battles finishing things off.  I thought this season was really good, I don't know why they said it had to be 7 episodes, there was more than enough to do at least 8, and probably 9-10, just add in a little dialogue

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Thinking about it further, that incest-themed voiceover was even worse than the first impression.  It was widely considered pretty idiotic for Bran to be keeping this a secret this whole time, but then suddenly decide to have a chat with Sam about it out of nowhere?  That exchange made no sense other than a desperate attempt to ramp up the creep factor of that scene.  Because, you know, as Jon has spent the vast majority of recent time with a person he's related to, there's no reason to mention it, might as well just chill out and ignore it until his fat buddy shows up for a little chat.  That was sloppy writing, with the only goal of doing what they wanted to do, regardless of the complete lack of logic.

Maybe the White Walkers should win, because so far all of the incestuous creeps of Westeros have a history of being the worst possible option.  Either that or, best case scenario, have every leader killed off until we're left with Queen Mormont.

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3 hours ago, chirorob said:

So, happy now?

That was a nice scene.  :)

My fist was raised as high as possible when she said "Lord Baelish"

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3 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Thinking about it further, that incest-themed voiceover was even worse than the first impression.  It was widely considered pretty idiotic for Bran to be keeping this a secret this whole time, but then suddenly decide to have a chat with Sam about it out of nowhere?  That exchange made no sense other than a desperate attempt to ramp up the creep factor of that scene.  Because, you know, as Jon has spent the vast majority of recent time with a person he's related to, there's no reason to mention it, might as well just chill out and ignore it until his fat buddy shows up for a little chat.  That was sloppy writing, with the only goal of doing what they wanted to do, regardless of the complete lack of logic.

Maybe the White Walkers should win, because so far all of the incestuous creeps of Westeros have a history of being the worst possible option.  Either that or, best case scenario, have every leader killed off until we're left with Queen Mormont.

Do you think he was watching them bang so he was all casual like, oh hey Sam, Jon is really the heir the Iron Throne and we should probably tell him because he's banging his Aunt right now. 

 

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3 hours ago, chirorob said:

It's not as clever as previous seasons, but I look at it as this is the 3rd act of a movie.

The characters are developed.  All the pieces are out there, now its just the climatic battles finishing things off.  I thought this season was really good, I don't know why they said it had to be 7 episodes, there was more than enough to do at least 8, and probably 9-10, just add in a little dialogue

This. There is no more development and I can't grasp how anyone would want more. We had over 65 hours of character development prior to this season. That's plenty. These last 2 seasons are all about dragons blowing sh*t up and family members ******* each other.

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36 minutes ago, JiF said:

Do you think he was watching them bang so he was all casual like, oh hey Sam, Jon is really the heir the Iron Throne and we should probably tell him because he's banging his Aunt right now. 

 

That sounds about right, Bran's now using his ability for his own streaming porn service.

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Great payoff with Arya, good to see Sansa playing the game at the big league level. Solid stuff. 

 

We all knew who Jon was, but to find out he is Aegon Targaryen VI.......WHAAAAAT!? LoL.

 

 We knew Cersei was lying and the NK was waiting for those Wyrms.....

 

And we knew Aegon IV was going to **** his aunt. 

 

But did Jaime defect? Good stuff. Loved the ep.

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12 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Thinking about it further, that incest-themed voiceover was even worse than the first impression.  It was widely considered pretty idiotic for Bran to be keeping this a secret this whole time, but then suddenly decide to have a chat with Sam about it out of nowhere?  That exchange made no sense other than a desperate attempt to ramp up the creep factor of that scene.  Because, you know, as Jon has spent the vast majority of recent time with a person he's related to, there's no reason to mention it, might as well just chill out and ignore it until his fat buddy shows up for a little chat.  That was sloppy writing, with the only goal of doing what they wanted to do, regardless of the complete lack of logic.

Maybe the White Walkers should win, because so far all of the incestuous creeps of Westeros have a history of being the worst possible option.  Either that or, best case scenario, have every leader killed off until we're left with Queen Mormont.

You should watch harder. Just saying. And yeah, I read the books too. I also read Atlas Shrugged, The Odyssey,  The Iliad, the complete works of Bernard Cornwell, Patrick O'Brian, Tom Clancy, Vince Flynn, Lee Child, Steven King, Tolkien, most of Shakespeare, DeMille, and The Sharaas....and i watched all of Battlestar Galactica, Fringe, Band Of Brothers..... And have read most of the Dune series, know why the Sleeper has Awakened, I have seen Quaid start the reactor, know why Leon cant flip the turtle, and why Johnny Rico speaks Tagalog. sh*t... I even know that Spock loves Cats, Biggs was a trendsetter, and Wedge is God....

 

But I digress.

 

What was I saying?

 

Oh. Yeah. Stop being a dork.

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21 hours ago, JiF said:

My fist was raised as high as possible when she said "Lord Baelish"

gave me goosebumps fo sho

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11 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Great payoff with Arya, good to see Sansa playing the game at the big league level. Solid stuff. This was awesome, gave me the good feels

 

We all knew who Jon was, but to find out he is Aegon Targaryen VI.......WHAAAAAT!? LoL. I thought we did know this

 

 We knew Cersei was lying and the NK was waiting for those Wyrms..... everyone but Jamie?

 

And we knew Aegon IV was going to **** his aunt. so true

 

But did Jaime defect? Good stuff. Loved the ep. I thought he was dead fo sho, still might be

Great finale imo.  so many ups and downs and to pretty much finish with the incest scene most of us called. baby targaryen coming in the last season!!!  idc if she thinks she cant have children, something has to replace her lost dragon.

Also, when the WW showed up and you hear a dragon in the background... I guess i was the only one that thought it was one of Khaleesi's showing up to lay down some flames.  then i saw that blue flame and was like... ohhhh sh*t, the wall is done right meow

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On 8/28/2017 at 10:33 AM, chirorob said:

It's not as clever as previous seasons, but I look at it as this is the 3rd act of a movie.

The characters are developed.  All the pieces are out there, now its just the climatic battles finishing things off.  I thought this season was really good, I don't know why they said it had to be 7 episodes, there was more than enough to do at least 8, and probably 9-10, just add in a little dialogue

I think it's shorter because right now, you're paying 2.5M per episode for Jon, Jamie, Cersei, Tyrion, and Daenerys.  10 episodes would be 25M before you build CGI dragons, create enormous battle scenes, pay the dozens of other actors, crew, etc.  When the show started, the main 5 didn't command that kind of salary.

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On 8/28/2017 at 10:54 AM, Bleedin Green said:

Maybe the White Walkers should win, because so far all of the incestuous creeps of Westeros have a history of being the worst possible option.  Either that or, best case scenario, have every leader killed off until we're left with Queen Mormont.

This is literally how I feel about Josh McCown.

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5 minutes ago, gEYno said:

This is literally how I feel about Josh McCown.

To be clear, in this scenario is McCown undead, keeping it in the family, or a (bad ass) little girl?

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Just now, Bleedin Green said:

To be clear, in this scenario is McCown undead, keeping it in the family, or a (bad ass) little girl?

McCown is clearly the night king.

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1 minute ago, gEYno said:

McCown is clearly the night king.

That's what I figured, but just wanted to be sure.

After all, I've heard the McCown family is very close.

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19 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I think it's shorter because right now, you're paying 2.5M per episode for Jon, Jamie, Cersei, Tyrion, and Daenerys.  10 episodes would be 25M before you build CGI dragons, create enormous battle scenes, pay the dozens of other actors, crew, etc.  When the show started, the main 5 didn't command that kind of salary.

Not trying to be that guy but I do have a good friend who works for HBO and apparently, they have an open pocket book.  Whatever GoT wants, they get.  It apparently pisses the other shows off because their budgets are impacted.  I'm sure it still plays a factor but based on that info, I'm not sure how much.  They said this season took just as much time to shoot as a regular season.  I think that is huge factor as well.  And possibly where they're at in the storyline?

 

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2 minutes ago, JiF said:

Not trying to be that guy but I do have a good friend who works for HBO and apparently, they have an open pocket book.  Whatever GoT wants, they get.  It apparently pisses the other shows off because their budgets are impacted.  I'm sure it still plays a factor but based on that info, I'm not sure how much.  They said this season took just as much time to shoot as a regular season.  I think that is huge factor as well.  And possibly where they're at in the storyline?

 

They definitely get what they want, but there's a limit to that as well when we're talking 10's of millions of dollars.  Over two seasons, 15 episodes vs. 20 is the difference of 12.5 million dollars on 5 people before you spend another dime.  And there are a lot more dimes to be spent per episode.  Wikipedia estimates that Season 6 was 10 million an episode.  I'm imagining, because of the scope, season 7 was even more.  When you're talking about 50M different, I think the money matters.

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A couple of questions/thoughts from that episode.

Tyrion during the incest scene: they made a point to show him him and his look of concern.  Why?  Scared that love might stand in the way of conquering?  Otherwise, you think he'd be happy about it.  The whole season they built up the theory that Tyrion (and Varys) were concerned with Dany's moral code and sanity.  Now she's sleeping with the one guy who has any moral compass on the entire show.  Should be a good thing and help his cause for getting her to not go crazy, right? So why the concerned look? 

The nod to kill Jamie?  Did she tell the Mountain not to kill him even if she gives the order?  A bluff?  Jamie is her one weakness.  How that plays a factor now that he's a traitor is going to be pretty amazing considering their relationship being revealed was the catalyst for all the chaos.  

Theon and 2 row boats full of dudes are going to do what exactly?  

What did Hound mean when he said essentially you know whats coming for you?  Is he still seeing visions through the lord of light?  Speaking of which, where is the Red Bitch? 

Not sure how they wrap up the Great War and the War for Westerns in 8 episodes.  I feel like with Cersi lying, it elongates the storyline unless somehow that particular strategy is nipped in the butt before its executed which seems impossible considering the dragon blasting through the wall and the Army of the Dead south of the Wall.  It seems like they're going to have to solve a lot of conflict in a short period of time.  Unless of course Bran finally steps up and stops being the most worthless yet most powerful person alive all at the same time.

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35 minutes ago, gEYno said:

They definitely get what they want, but there's a limit to that as well when we're talking 10's of millions of dollars.  Over two seasons, 15 episodes vs. 20 is the difference of 12.5 million dollars on 5 people before you spend another dime.  And there are a lot more dimes to be spent per episode.  Wikipedia estimates that Season 6 was 10 million an episode.  I'm imagining, because of the scope, season 7 was even more.  When you're talking about 50M different, I think the money matters.

Does it? 50 mil is a lot of money but I read somewhere that the series produces over a Billion dollars per season.  

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

A couple of questions/thoughts from that episode.

Tyrion during the incest scene: they made a point to show him him and his look of concern.  Why?  Scared that love might stand in the way of conquering?  Otherwise, you think he'd be happy about it.  The whole season they built up the theory that Tyrion (and Varys) were concerned with Dany's moral code and sanity.  Now she's sleeping with the one guy who has any moral compass on the entire show.  Should be a good thing and help his cause for getting her to not go crazy, right? So why the concerned look? 

The nod to kill Jamie?  Did she tell the Mountain not to kill him even if she gives the order?  A bluff?  Jamie is her one weakness.  How that plays a factor now that he's a traitor is going to be pretty amazing considering their relationship being revealed was the catalyst for all the chaos.  

Theon and 2 row boats full of dudes are going to do what exactly?  

What did Hound mean when he said essentially you know whats coming for you?  Is he still seeing visions through the lord of light?  Speaking of which, where is the Red Bitch? 

Not sure how they wrap up the Great War and the War for Westerns in 8 episodes.  I feel like with Cersi lying, it elongates the storyline unless somehow that particular strategy is nipped in the butt before its executed which seems impossible considering the dragon blasting through the wall and the Army of the Dead south of the Wall.  It seems like they're going to have to solve a lot of conflict in a short period of time.  Unless of course Bran finally steps up and stops being the most worthless yet most powerful person alive all at the same time.

Yeah, that is the one thing I find curious, especially given it's only going to be 6 episodes.

That likely means it's either going to be full blown battles in every single episode, or we'll end up with multiple wars happening simultaneously.  Of course, if the white walkers just end up wiping everyone out, that might not take so long.  I also wouldn't be surprised if they go back to the earlier season trends of more off-screen battles that are talked about after the fact.

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4 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, that is the one thing I find curious, especially given it's only going to be 6 episodes.

That likely means it's either going to be full blown battles in every single episode, or we'll end up with multiple wars happening simultaneously.  Of course, if the white walkers just end up wiping everyone out, that might not take so long.  I also wouldn't be surprised if they go back to the earlier season trends of more off-screen battles that are talked about after the fact.

6?  Oh sh*t...haha.  Well then.  I have a few thoughts.

Bran finally steps up and figures this thing out with the dead, makes quicker work of it than expected and the war of westeros takes the stage.

Or, they nip the war of westeros quickly with the king slayer, slaying the Queen preventing the Golden Army or whatever to be relevant and then focus on the Great War.  

Or maybe the White Walkers dying triggers all the people/things they've turned to die as well plays a huge factor and that war is resolved quicker than expected.

Theon somehow leads a brilliant attack and overturn of Euron.  

Arya kills Cersi dressed as Jamie after she kills Jamie.  lmfao.  Which would be so ******* bad ass.

Or a combo of all the above. 

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Then again, if Jon is the heir to the Throne...maybe there is something more obvious in the future...but that just seems so, boring.

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

6?  Oh sh*t...haha.  Well then.  I have a few thoughts.

Bran finally steps up and figures this thing out with the dead, makes quicker work of it than expected and the war of westeros takes the stage.

Or, they nip the war of westeros quickly with the king slayer, slaying the Queen preventing the Golden Army or whatever to be relevant and then focus on the Great War.  

Or maybe the White Walkers dying triggers all the people/things they've turned to die as well plays a huge factor and that war is resolved quicker than expected.

Theon somehow leads a brilliant attack and overturn of Euron.  

Arya kills Cersi dressed as Jamie after she kills Jamie.  lmfao.  Which would be so ******* bad ass.

Or a combo of all the above. 

I wouldn't get ahead of yourself assuming the white walkers are going down.  Martin is kind of dick when it comes to that kind of stuff.  Seems like it's been too long since anyone fans care about has gotten killed off, so he's probably just saving up.

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