TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I like the thoughts of getting both Bryce Petty and Garret Grayson in the later rounds of this years draft. That way we could cut ties with the horror story that is Matt Simms. Geno, Fitz, Petty, and Grayson sounds better heading into training camp with for a true QB competition. Fitz will only be around for one year anyway, and if Geno fails this year which is very possible, we will have 2 young gunslingers with potential to fight it out and hold the fort down until we find our guy. One last reason this makes sense for us is because we only have like 2 real needs on this team given our awesome free agency signings, that being QB and OLB. After our OLB at 6, or WR because Coop or White could be there we could use the rest of our draft on 2 QBs, OT depth, and linebackers. Thoughts?? Remember crazier things have happened look at Redskins in 2012 taking RG3 and Cousins in the next round. How would you feel if we got both Petty and Grayson?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Aren't they both projected to go around round 3 (give or take a round)? Plus the only later round picks we have are a pair of 7th rounders (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 7th; ours are the 5th-7th selections in each of these rounds). So a best-case scenario of taking both means using our 3rd and 4th rounders on them, as neither seems likely to last until the 7th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Aren't they both projected to go around round 3 (give or take a round)? Plus the only later round picks we have are a pair of 7th rounders (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 7th; ours are the 5th-7th selections in each of these rounds). So a best-case scenario of taking both means using our 3rd and 4th rounders on them, as neither seems likely to last until the 7th round. Many have Grayson falling to 4th round. We could always reach for the first and trade up for the last QB with our late round picks if someone wants the bait. Makes more sense than trading up for both busts Mariota or Winston. Petty and Grayson are more pro style players than either Winston or Mariota. Like I said, we don't need much after free agency, Cooper, 2 QBs, OT, and an OLB pass rusher sounds fine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because we can get better players in round 2-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because both profile as likely backups and they'd likely have to burn the 3rd and 4th round selections to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because they're both terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because both profile as likely backups and they'd likely have to burn the 3rd and 4th round selections to do it. Yep, still sounds great to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because they're both terrible. No, that's Geno, Fitz and Sims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Many have Grayson falling to 4th round. We could always reach for the first and trade up for the last QB with our late round picks if someone wants the bait. Makes more sense than trading up for both busts Mariota or Winston. Petty and Grayson are more pro style players than either Winston or Mariota. Like I said, we don't need much after free agency, Cooper, 2 QBs, OT, and an OLB pass rusher sounds fine to me. Both seem to be rated as 2 of the top 4-5 QBs in the draft, however lowly anyone things of either (or of both). Neither seems likely to last to mid-late round 6 (which is all we'd get by trading our pair of 7th rounders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 No, that's Geno, Fitz and Sims. Oh they suck too. No argument here. But Petty and Grayson are wasted picks unless you're looking for a career backup for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Oh they suck too. No argument here. But Petty and Grayson are wasted picks unless you're looking for a career backup for some reason. And you got your proof of that statement where? Look at their numbers. Its hard to imagine they'd be worse than any of the guys we already have here. Atleast Grayson seems smarter than Smith and Sims. And a better decision maker than Ryan triple coverage Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persiussa Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Grayson's film is brutal. I tried watching some games and he looks like he has an arm where he can't make all the throws and most of the time his offense just isn't successful. Maybe it's not his fault entirely but I just can't find much that looks good. The Colorado state vs colarado game was particularly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Yep, still sounds great to me. Elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Grayson's film is brutal. I tried watching some games and he looks like he has an arm where he can't make all the throws and most of the time his offense just isn't successful. Maybe it's not his fault entirely but I just can't find much that looks good. The Colorado state vs colarado game was particularly bad. I totally agree I watched the Colorado game film as well. Terrible first half stats. Offense was sputtering. That said, he steered them in the right direction in crunch time and won the game. I honestly think Grayson is the best QB of the 2, he just had no help at all at Colorado state. Terrible receivers dropped passes right in their hands every game. What could he do with a Decker, Marshall, Amaro, Cooper lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 And you got your proof of that statement where? Look at their numbers. Its hard to imagine they'd be worse than any of the guys we already have here. Atleast Grayson seems smarter than Smith and Sims. And a better decision maker than Ryan triple coverage Fitzpatrick. Do you have proof they're better than sh*tzpatrick or Geno? Geno's college #'s blow both of their numbers out of the water. He was a much higher regarded prospect. In no way shape or form is that an indication of how they will do in the pro's. Both guys are career backups, if they werent, they'd be talked about in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Elaborate? Because heading into training camp with a true QB competition brewing not a "Rex says competition Geno wins by default" deal, I feel better with Geno, Fitz, and 2 unknown but very capable rookies with upside. Every way you look at it Geno, Fitz, Grayson, Petty competition is a safer option than Geno, Fitz, Sims, Hundley etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I agree with your main point which I think is that in some years, it might not be crazy to draft two QB's. From listening to most football people, this is definitely not the year to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you have proof they're better than sh*tzpatrick or Geno? Geno's college #'s blow both of their numbers out of the water. He was a much higher regarded prospect. In no way shape or form is that an indication of how they will do in the pro's. Both guys are career backups, if they werent, they'd be talked about in the first round. Because Geno and Fitz are already failed experiments. Enough said. Fitz is the best we have and he's 16-32 as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Next year is the year to draft a QB. This year is loaded at the skill positions. We should focus on getting the best out of a rich class, rather than the best of what's left from the QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Next year is the year to draft a QB. This year is loaded at the skill positions. We should focus on getting the best out of a rich class, rather than the best of what's left from the QBs. I agree. Don't waste any pick this year on a QB. Let Geno play every game and throw a minimum of 35-40 passes every game. That should ensure a top 3 pick next year, and a shot at either Cook or Hackenberg. Kind of tongue in cheek, but not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Next year is the year to draft a QB. This year is loaded at the skill positions. We should focus on getting the best out of a rich class, rather than the best of what's left from the QBs. Another year of Geno? Oh help me lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Better to just draft Mariota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 I agree. Don't waste any pick this year on a QB. Let Geno play every game and throw a minimum of 35-40 passes every game. That should ensure a top 3 pick next year, and a shot at either Cook or Hackenberg. Kind of tongue in cheek, but not really. Not with this defense my friend. Pick around 15th...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not with this defense my friend. Pick around 15th...lol. Neither the Steel Curtain or the 86 Bears could overcome the deadly virus know as Geno Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because heading into training camp with a true QB competition brewing not a "Rex says competition Geno wins by default" deal, I feel better with Geno, Fitz, and 2 unknown but very capable rookies with upside. Every way you look at it Geno, Fitz, Grayson, Petty competition is a safer option than Geno, Fitz, Sims, Hundley etc. Just because option A is better than option B doesn't mean it's a good allocation of resources. They could draft Hundley in the second too and it's more competition. That wouldn't be smart either. I also don't agree that those two rookies are capable or have legitimate NFL starting QB upside. I think it's a stretch. You're talking probably a 5-10% chance that either actually ends up being a starting NFL QB, and that's generous. If it was better, then they would be snapped up much earlier in an awful QB draft with so many teams needing QB's. There's a reason Jeremiah said the 3rd-5th QB's (those two and Hundley) are 5th round values recently - I'm not saying he's right, but they are not that well regarded. I'm fine taking a shot in the dark, two shots in the dark doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Agree to disagree I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because they're both terrible Now drafting Mariota this year and Hackenberg next year and so on to you get the right one, I wouldn't be against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Many have Grayson falling to 4th round. We could always reach for the first and trade up for the last QB with our late round picks if someone wants the bait. Makes more sense than trading up for both busts Mariota or Winston. Petty and Grayson are more pro style players than either Winston or Mariota. Like I said, we don't need much after free agency, Cooper, 2 QBs, OT, and an OLB pass rusher sounds fine to me. Winston and Mariota = two surefire busts Petty and Grayson = potential superstars Spend two high picks on them. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because Geno and Fitz are already failed experiments. Enough said. Fitz is the best we have and he's 16-32 as a starter. Just because they're failed experiment doesnt mean you waste 2 picks on guys who are destined to be more failed experiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanJim77 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not sure about anyone else but I think Sean Mannion is the 3rd best QB in this class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 the scouts are killing petty he's garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 the scouts are killing petty he's garbage For good reason, the guy is awful. Never understood the hard on some posters have for him, it's like they never watched any of his games and instead just opened up a youtube highlight reel of his and declared him as a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Someone has to be #3 on the QB list and it has to be debatable for the "experts" They need to write about something instead of Winston and MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because we can get better players in round 2-3 This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Because they're both hot garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Do you have proof they're better than sh*tzpatrick or Geno? Geno's college #'s blow both of their numbers out of the water. He was a much higher regarded prospect. In no way shape or form is that an indication of how they will do in the pro's. Both guys are career backups, if they werent, they'd be talked about in the first round. Tony Romo was undrafted and basically laughed at here in Dallas when ever it was brought up he would play. Only reason he even got a chance to play was due to such horrid QB play at that time and he still had to wait years Joe Montana was drafted in the third round Brady In the 6th and the only reason he got on the field was because our own Mo Lewis almost killed Drew Bledsoe Not to say Bryce Petty and Garret Grayson are even in the same zip code as those players mentioned but ya never know. Do we think besides Mariota and Winston there is not one single QB in this draft that will play well in the NFL ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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