cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Denver's defense is legit, once the offense gets going that team is going to be scary good. Denver/Green Bay super bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Is the Arizona Cardinals. They are just dismantling teams with their offense. They're just blowing teams out of the building at will. Bruce Arians may be the best coach in the NFL right now. Honorable mention: Bengals. Got to give credit to Andy Dalton. This guy is playing like an MVP candidate. Who the hell would have thought. This has been a very exciting NFL season I must admit. Oh, and **** Tom Brady Yep easily the Cardinals . Very good on both sides of the ball. Also people in here mentioned the Rams who were my sleeper pick to do something big. They Just have not put it together yet. I think they will at some point very tough Division minus the now crappy Niners. Lots of people are talking up the Jets now as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Denver's defense is legit, once the offense gets going that team is going to be scary good. Denver/Green Bay super bowl Yeah, because Peyton Mannig IS Mr December. I think that should be IF the offense gets going ... things right now may be as good as it gets for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Bengals. Cards are good but the lions and Stafford are horrible and I doubt Palmer can survive a 16 game season + playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Denver's defense is legit, once the offense gets going that team is going to be scary good. Denver/Green Bay super bowl problem is Peyton can't throw it anymore he's basically chad pennington now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Denver's defense is legit, once the offense gets going that team is going to be scary good. Denver/Green Bay super bowl Kubiak has a different philosophy than Peyton is used too. Peyton called most of his plays and did what he pleased mostly throwing the football. Kubiak wants to run the ball and play a more ball control type offense so that means Peyton may not be in a rhythm since he's not throwing the ball as mush as in the past so its not really about "getting going". QB's on running teams can find it hard to just turn it on if their team falls behind. Players like Manning and Brees throw the ball way too much but its also the reason they have better timing with their receivers. Notice Peyton's comp percentage and TD's have gone down ? because he's not in that throw every down rhythm. Since they are winning due to this philosophy you wont see Manning and Kubiak butt heads but I would not doubt if the difference in philosophy gets Manning to the SB. If he can get past the Jets, Cincy, and the Pats. Most dangerous team in this bunch is the Jets because they can shut down both the pass and the run. Throwing a lot and scoring fast also puts a ton of pressure on the defense, its why high scoring teams usually give up a lot of points then have major issue when they face a very tough defense in the playoffs. Teams like this usually have a very hard time stopping teams in the 4th quarter. IMO its the main reason why Peyton Manning does not have more SB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Is the Arizona Cardinals. They are just dismantling teams with their offense. They're just blowing teams out of the building at will. Bruce Arians may be the best coach in the NFL right now. Honorable mention: Bengals. Got to give credit to Andy Dalton. This guy is playing like an MVP candidate. Who the hell would have thought. This has been a very exciting NFL season I must admit. Oh, and **** Tom Brady I forgot, so you need to remind me... in which upcoming game will Carson Palmer get injured and be out for the rest of the season? The Cards fate rests with the answer to this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 I forgot, so you need to remind me... in which upcoming game will Carson Palmer get injured and be out for the rest of the season? The Cards fate rests with the answer to this question. We'll have to take it one week at a time. I'll say this though, the league will be wishing upon that day because if it doesnt come I really feel sorry for the Cardinals opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I love Arians, I don't trust palmer in a big spot and they have feasted on lesser competition so far. Still not convinced but I like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Cardinals offensive line is making that entire offensive unit very special. Chris Johnson looks like a young man out there. Andre Ellington just came back from an injury and took a carry 63 yards to the house. David Johnson ran for 2 TD's yesterday also. That 3-headed monster is making Carson Palmer's job easy out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 C'mon Crusher have some class man. It's called "fallatio" when you're a billionaire. oh you sliver tongued rascal you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I love Arians, I don't trust palmer in a big spot and they have feasted on lesser competition so far. Still not convinced but I like them. Oh look, nyjunc arriving just in time for his insightful analysis of QB's that everyone was asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Oh look, nyjunc arriving just in time for his insightful analysis of QB's that everyone was asking for. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Oh look, nyjunc arriving just in time for his insightful analysis of QB's that everyone was asking for. who are you and why do you follow me around? go brush up on your stat sheets so you can educate us about QB play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yeah, because Peyton Mannig IS Mr December. I think that should be IF the offense gets going ... things right now may be as good as it gets for them. I think manning has earned the benefit of the doubt. Either way the D is good enough to win the AFC with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Denver's defense is legit, once the offense gets going that team is going to be scary good. Denver/Green Bay super bowl Denver lacks a RB Anderson/Hillman are JAGS compared to Chris Ivory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 They lost last week to st.louis. i don know if they are that dangerous. Even the Bengals...they cant win a playoff game.. Yea, this is pretty much the party line for Pats fans... there's an excuse to excuse every team from being seen as a competitor. Your defense sucks. Check the history of your team's success in the playoffs with a sh*tty defense. Then stop talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I love Arians. I love the way Arizona plays. My concern with them is that they are so aggressive that at some point they will have an off day and turnover the ball. That could happen in the playoffs. But they play with no fear and no letup. If we had fired the blowhard when we should have, maybe Arians is our coach now instead of at Arizona. That said, I am very encouraged by Bowles so far, though I am worried about us once again being too conservative on offense, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Denver lacks a RB Anderson/Hillman are JAGS compared to Chris Ivory Peyton manning has a history of turning jag RBs into studs. The OL needs time to gel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Peyton manning has a history of turning jag RBs into studs. The OL needs time to gel which would those be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 which would those be? knowshon moreno, edgerrin james, joseph addai, even CJ Anderson from last year. Do you not watch football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 knowshon moreno, edgerrin james, joseph addai, even CJ Anderson from last year. Do you not watch football? all good backs and Edge may be a HOFer. I watch plenty of football and it always cracks me up how people credit Peyton manning w/ "making" talented players around him as if he hasn't had the most talent of any QB to work with in this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 knowshon moreno, edgerrin james, joseph addai, even CJ Anderson from last year. Do you not watch football? Moreno, James and Addai were all first-round RBs. So was Marshall Faulk. The Denver OL made Anderson last year. Not Peyton. In fact, Anderson and their OL thrived towards the end of the year when Peyton specifically could not carry the offense anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 In order: - Packers - ARod, Lacey, and a much better defense. Already have three games under tough opponents under their belt- Patriots - Gronk, Brady, Cheating. Haven't really played a tough opponent except the Bills yet, but they've thoroughly dismantled the teams they have played. - Broncos - Dat defense....damn. Also, other than the Packers, they've played the most quality schedule, and are 5-0. Also, Peyton. I don't care about his arm strength. That isn't his biggest issue. The OL is. I'm thinking they'll get that strengthened as the season wears on. - Cardinals - Bruce Arians is the best HC in football, and has been for 3 out of 4 years (Including his interim job when Pagano was out). I'd just like to see them play a quality opponent before I get giddy about them. Bengals and Falcons are both 5-0, and there's no way you can fault them for being that. I just don't find them "scary" the way I do the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 all good backs and Edge may be a HOFer. I watch plenty of football and it always cracks me up how people credit Peyton manning w/ "making" talented players around him as if he hasn't had the most talent of any QB to work with in this era. if you look at James' stats they fall off a cliff after he left Indy, he was never able to crack 4ypc again, addai was not a great back but did well with manning as well. Great QB's take the pressure off the backs to produce since the D can't sell out to stop the run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Moreno, James and Addai were all first-round RBs. So was Marshall Faulk. The Denver OL made Anderson last year. Not Peyton. In fact, Anderson and their OL thrived towards the end of the year when Peyton specifically could not carry the offense anymore. I didn't include Faulk, but okay since you brought it up how did Moreno, James and addai do once they left a manning offense? In 2001 when James got injured backup RB Dominic Rhodes was able to step in and the running game didn't skip a beat (4.7 ypc). If you insist the Denver OL was responsible for the running game success last year then I'm sure you also noticed that it took about 8 games for that OL to start really playing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yea, this is pretty much the party line for Pats fans... there's an excuse to excuse every team from being seen as a competitor. Your defense sucks. Check the history of your team's success in the playoffs with a sh*tty defense. Then stop talking. You sound insecure. Cause at no point did i ever mentioned anything in this thread about the pats. My post had nothing to do with the pats more to do with (as i said) it's too early to be considering ANY TEAM MOST dangerous, including the patriots. yea, thank you! PS: and for the sake of your patriots comment. They met the giants for the 2nd time in the SB with a sh*tty defense. Still I wouldn't consider any team Most dangerous yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 if you look at James' stats they fall off a cliff after he left Indy, he was never able to crack 4ypc again, addai was not a great back but did well with manning as well. Great QB's take the pressure off the backs to produce since the D can't sell out to stop the run 3 of his last 4 years w/ Peyton he averaged 3.6, 4.1 and 4.2 YPC, in AZ he averaged 3.4, 3.8 and 3.9. not a huge difference and he was older and breaking down at that point. I didn't include Faulk, but okay since you brought it up how did Moreno, James and addai do once they left a manning offense? In 2001 when James got injured backup RB Dominic Rhodes was able to step in and the running game didn't skip a beat (4.7 ypc). If you insist the Denver OL was responsible for the running game success last year then I'm sure you also noticed that it took about 8 games for that OL to start really playing well Moreno 2009-2011 pre Manning in Denver: 466-1905, 4.1 YPC Moreno 2012-2013 w/ Manning in Denver: 380-1563, 4.1 YPC and in limited action before he got hurt last year in Miami was averaging 4.8 YPC Addai: 2 of his last 3 years w/ Peyton he averaged 3.5 and 3.8 YPC, in 2011 when the team tanked for Luck he averaged 3.7. Rhodes w/ Manning: 4.0 YPC Rhodes w/o Manning: 4.0 YPC by the way, Rhodes, Addai and that Colts D were all most responsible for finally getting Peyton a ring in that 2006 postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The most dangerous team is the Pats. Besides their rampant cheating they also have the best linebacking corp in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The most dangerous team is the Pats. Besides their rampant cheating they also have the best linebacking corp in football. and most importantly the best QB who just piles up wins no matter who is a round him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 here's something i found some place else, this could help you guys further this discussion. sidenote: for anyone assuming...i'm not posting this as to any reference to the patriots.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Meh, I'll take the team that just won the Superbowl. They look like they are on a mission to destroy and embarrass everyone in their way unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 3 of his last 4 years w/ Peyton he averaged 3.6, 4.1 and 4.2 YPC, in AZ he averaged 3.4, 3.8 and 3.9. not a huge difference and he was older and breaking down at that point. Moreno 2009-2011 pre Manning in Denver: 466-1905, 4.1 YPC Moreno 2012-2013 w/ Manning in Denver: 380-1563, 4.1 YPC and in limited action before he got hurt last year in Miami was averaging 4.8 YPC Addai: 2 of his last 3 years w/ Peyton he averaged 3.5 and 3.8 YPC, in 2011 when the team tanked for Luck he averaged 3.7. Rhodes w/ Manning: 4.0 YPC Rhodes w/o Manning: 4.0 YPC by the way, Rhodes, Addai and that Colts D were all most responsible for finally getting Peyton a ring in that 2006 postseason. all your stats with Rhodes are based on change of pace carries. The only other 2 seasons where he had 150+ attempts he averaged 3.4 & 3.5 ypc. He was a career backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yes ... and amazingly they're doing it without Kerry Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 all your stats with Rhodes are based on change of pace carries. The only other 2 seasons where he had 150+ attempts he averaged 3.4 & 3.5 ypc. He was a career backup and both were w/ Peyton Manning so what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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