cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 would you support the jets making a deal to acquire stafford if the lions made him available? I think I would, I'm not sure how long the jets window is given their core players are all getting older (Revis, mangold, brick, marshall, Harris) and may soon run into cap issues with keeping the DL together so I think the time for a big move should be soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I thought the trade deadline passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan_toronto_canada Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Off season. Yes. I agree about the window closing. Brick, nick, Marshall, revis, Harris - the core is getting older. we need a vet QB - not enough time to develop and wait on a rook - and I think Stafford is a significant upgrade from fitz. We should be active in trying to get any decent available vets to come in the offseason. blah blah blah lol like we don't say this all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 I thought the trade deadline passed. offseason I mean, I don't think the lions would make a QB change mid season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 what do you like about stafford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 what do you like about stafford he's a decent QB who's shown he has the ability to run a top 5 offense when he's got good support (2011) and I think the jets have a good team to put around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I mean what about his game do you like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I think I would too. Fitzy won't be here forever. I think its the right move. I think if we were able to grab Stafford and then draft a OLB and some O line we would be in a very favorable place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I thought the trade deadline passed. In our world.... yes it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 I mean what about his game do you like ? he's an accurate passer, has a cannon for an arm, and has been pretty damn tough and durable (after his first two seasons obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 FYI, going back to JI every time I've started a player thread like this the jets have acquired the player the next season. Happened first with laron landry and then next with decker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 he's an accurate passer, has a cannon for an arm, and has been pretty damn tough and durable (after his first two seasons obviously) he has 2 years left on his deal, and his cap number is $22 mill http://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/#.Vjv4fys8tbw 27 year old QB's don't give money away, so forget about trading for him and having him do you any favors there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 he has 2 years left on his deal, and his cap number is $22 mill http://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/#.Vjv4fys8tbw 27 year old QB's don't give money away, so forget about trading for him and having him do you any favors there yeah mac would need to do some creative work there, probably have to cut cro immediately, include wilkerson/coples with a deal and get their numbers off the books too, then sign stafford to an extension and spread the cap number out over a couple years? I'm not going to pretend I understand maneuvering the salary cap stuff but I think it's possible to find room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Wonder how much an offseason trade would cost for him... Wouldn't be cheap, but how much better is he really than what we've had? Granted, he'll have a megatron type receiver in Marshall that can still bail him out, and he's no stranger to throwing 300 yard games, something that should intrigue us. Large cap number but I wouldn't be mad if we made that move. Try everything until you find a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 yeah mac would need to do some creative work there, probably have to cut cro immediately, include wilkerson/coples with a deal and get their numbers off the books too, then sign stafford to an extension and spread the cap number out over a couple years? I'm not going to pretend I understand maneuvering the salary cap stuff but I think it's possible to find room holy sh*t I just looked up cro's deal. he is 100% gone after this year, lol http://overthecap.com/player/antonio-cromartie/966/' I think wilk gets tagged, and his number jumps from $7mm to about $14 mm, erasing cro's savings coples is another dead man walking, he will save us almost $8mm which could bring staffords number down to $14mm essentially http://overthecap.com/player/quinton-coples/1016/ but that leaves the team needing an OLB they aren't cheap I think he's just too expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Wonder how much an offseason trade would cost for him... Wouldn't be cheap, but how much better is he really than what we've had? Granted, he'll have a megatron type receiver in Marshall that can still bail him out, and he's no stranger to throwing 300 yard games, something that should intrigue us. Large cap number but I wouldn't be mad if we made that move. Try everything until you find a QB. chicago gave up orton, two firsts (09 & 10) and a 3rd for cutler and a 5th. I think cutler was still on his rookie deal too so keep that in mind... I'd expect the lions to want at least a wilk and a 1st rounder plus others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Pac's already coming up with a list of excuses for his 0-2 playoff record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 chicago gave up orton, two firsts (09 & 10) and a 3rd for cutler and a 5th. I think cutler was still on his rookie deal too so keep that in mind... I'd expect the lions to want at least a wilk and a 1st rounder plus others Yeesh, good point. 22 is a big number, I'd definitely give up a first. Regardless, I wouldn't want to end up on the bad side of this hypothetical deal lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 holy sh*t I just looked up cro's deal. he is 100% gone after this year, lol http://overthecap.com/player/antonio-cromartie/966/' I think wilk gets tagged, and his number jumps from $7mm to about $14 mm, erasing cro's savings coples is another dead man walking, he will save us almost $8mm which could bring staffords number down to $14mm essentially http://overthecap.com/player/quinton-coples/1016/ but that leaves the team needing an OLB they aren't cheap I think he's just too expensive I would imagine Detroit would definitely be interested in a player like Wilkerson after losing suh and fairley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 offseason I mean, I don't think the lions would make a QB change mid season Fair enough and Yes. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Fair enough and Yes. Why not? I think you gotta wait out the year, they just fired the GM and president plus that's a deal that's going to take some time to negotiate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Stafford is one hit away from becoming Chad Pennington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetman55 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Cutler 2.0 Doesn't work hard in the off season, average football IQ, and doesn't love the game... Pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 he has 2 years left on his deal, and his cap number is $22 mill http://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/#.Vjv4fys8tbw 27 year old QB's don't give money away, so forget about trading for him and having him do you any favors there $5M/season of that can only be charged to Detroit. To anyone else it would be $17M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Tell ya the truth I'd rather go with Villian's guy. Mike Glennon. Year left on his contract. Think it's right around a million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 "Window is closing because the core is getting old" is an overrated statement. Why? Because we have over $50 millions invested in that core (Revis, Harris, Brick, Mangold, Marshall). When that core retires, we'll have that 50+ mil to spend on new players and pickup a few younger core players besides developing the already existing core (Mo, Richardson, Leo), and then You have Pryor and hopefully Devin Smith. I understand we have no real upcoming core on the offense (yet), but we have time and the opportunity as we do not need to touch that DL for another 5-6 years if we re-sign them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Stafford is one hit away from becoming Chad Pennington You mean like every other QB in the history of football? But you like Manziel. Who as a midget is one hit away from baby food for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 You mean like every other QB in the history of football? But you like Manziel. Who as a midget is one hit away from baby food for life Johnny Manziel can play in this league. Matt Stafford got his OC fired and he threw for more yards every game than Manziel's career high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Johnny Manziel can play in this league. Matt Stafford got his OC fired and he threw for more yards every game than Manziel's career high. Stafford has been great. Love that every time an OC is fired its the QBs fault, not that the OC sucked. Given how good Stafford has been, I'd say it's on the OC. Stafford would put every QB we've had since Namath on the bench What any of this had to do with Manziel, or any other QB being one hit away from injury is the real question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 offseason I mean, I don't think the lions would make a QB change mid season of course not...they might go 1-5 or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Stafford has been great. Love that every time an OC is fired its the QBs fault, not that the OC sucked. Given how good Stafford has been, I'd say it's on the OC. Stafford would put every QB we've had since Namath on the bench What any of this had to do with Manziel, or any other QB being one hit away from injury is the real question. Even Favre or 1998 Vinny?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 he has 2 years left on his deal, and his cap number is $22 mill http://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/#.Vjv4fys8tbw 27 year old QB's don't give money away, so forget about trading for him and having him do you any favors there His cap number wouldn't be $22M for the Jets, since we wouldn't be hit with the prorated portion of his bonus. Would be just his base salaries: 17M in 2016 and 16.5M in 2017. That's not cheap, either - but probably appropriate to his market (at an average of 16.75M per year, he would be the 16th highest paid QB by average annual salary, sliding back behind Peyton Manning and ahead of Carson Palmer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 His cap number wouldn't be $22M for the Jets, since we wouldn't be hit with the prorated portion of his bonus. Would be just his base salaries: 17M in 2016 and 16.5M in 2017. That's not cheap, either - but probably appropriate to his market (at an average of 16.75M per year, he would be the 16th highest paid QB by average annual salary, sliding back behind Peyton Manning and ahead of Carson Palmer). OF course, when you looking at it that way you have to consider that he will cost over $10M in dead money to the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Beware of guys going backwards. I like Stafford to some extent, his arm and some of his play. But he has regressed. Also people are not exaggerating about the effect of Calvin Johnson. There have been a lot of plays the last few years where Stafford just heaves it up for grabs knowing that megatron is going to win the battle. In the end he is not good enough to justify the contract in imo so I pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 OF course, when you looking at it that way you have to consider that he will cost over $10M in dead money to the Lions. Yes, but they'd clear about 12M in cap room in 2016 and 20+M in 2017, so if they're in a position to draft a young QB they like that will still leave them net-cap-positive at the QB position for 2016 (10M dead money plus rookie salary v. 22M for Stafford), and way ahead in 2017 (no dead money). So the cap hit to Detroit isn't going to be a factor that prevents them from dealing Stafford. Bottom line, dealing for Stafford is unlikely to be a cap issue for either Detroit or a team that trades for him. As Beerfish pointed out, the real issue is evaluative: is Stafford worth that much money, and how does the Megatron effect impact your evaluation of him? Personally, if I'm the Jets I seriously inquire on this one. A 2 year evaluation period with Stafford making less than top-50% QB money is a worthwhile gamble; if he blossoms into a franchise QB, you can pay him like one, and if not, you can either move on or pay him at the going rate for the tier of QB he belongs in. For all his flaws, Stafford would immediately be the best QB the Jets have had in decades, and his arm strength would open up the deep routes that Fitzpatrick (who I'm very happy with) can't really hit. Devin Smith would suddenly have value, and teams wouldn't stack the box/short field as much as they can now. And the Jets have good enough weapons on offense to take advantage of that; neither Marshall nor Decker is Megatron (who is?) but Marshall is a stud in his own right and Decker would be the best secondary target Stafford's ever had (yes, he's better than Tate). If Detroit would take it, I'd deal a second round pick + Geno for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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