Good Teams Don't Allow Stud young Players to Reach FA (Harrison/ Wilkerson)

[CanadaSteve]

- Revis, once again, is worth it. Imaginary QBs don't play into him being worth it or not.

- Coles was worth the money and immediately showed that in Washington. He got hurt, the Jets traded for him, and he went on another highly productive run here as a well paid WR. 

- The Jets are still trying to replace Abraham. Meanwhile, their future HOF C has been on one good offense in 10-11 seasons. Abraham is a HOF pass rusher, one the Jets have never been able to replace. The Jets had a HOF C before Mangold....his backup became a Pro Bowler and won two rings while the Jets floundered.

- There is no one on the planet that isn't replaceable, if you want to think that way. Some are harder to replace than others. In this case. Harrison is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier to replace than Wilkerson, who does Harrison's job on third downs pretty often anyway. The drafting of Williams had everything to do with landing the best player in a draft and nothing to do with replacing Wilkerson. Not coincidentally, the Oilers have been relevant once, the year after, since trading Gretzky and are a joke of a franchise today.

Yup, and how many Stanley Cups did Wayne Gretzky win without the Oilers?  They became a joke of a franchise because they couldn't keep that team together in the modern free agency era, and after said era, nobody wanted to play in Edmonton.

We get it.  You love Wilkerson.  So do most of us.  But just as Revis is not worth tying up $17 million dollars for a position that shouldn't be paid that much, neither should Wilkerson.  You can love him all you want, he is NOT JJ Watt, and not even close.  If he wants that kind of money, you let him find it elsewhere, and get what you can for him.  One player is not going to win us a Super Bowl, unless that one person plays behind our HOF centre. 

[SenorGato]

Yup, and how many Stanley Cups did Wayne Gretzky win without the Oilers?  They became a joke of a franchise because they couldn't keep that team together in the modern free agency era, and after said era, nobody wanted to play in Edmonton.

We get it.  You love Wilkerson.  So do most of us.  But just as Revis is not worth tying up $17 million dollars for a position that shouldn't be paid that much, neither should Wilkerson.  You can love him all you want, he is NOT JJ Watt, and not even close.  If he wants that kind of money, you let him find it elsewhere, and get what you can for him.  One player is not going to win us a Super Bowl, unless that one person plays behind our HOF centre. 

How does the first part even kinda sorta help you? They traded a great player, became a joke, therefore don't keep your great player? No thanks.

Just as Revis is worth $17 million dollars, Wilkerson will be worth what the Jets end up paying him this offseason. I get that you have a different opinion, but it's an unfounded one. I get that you have this mentality where paying one player means the team is done and can't improve around said player, but that's not the reality of it if the Jets draft well.

[CanadaSteve]

Mo Wilkerson: Year	Team	G	Solo	Ast	Total	Sack	Yds	Yd/Sk
2011	NYJ	16	35	13	48	3.0	24	8.0
2012	NYJ	16	38	32	70	5.0	25	5.0
2013	NYJ	16	43	21	64	10.5	62	5.9
2014	NYJ	13	31	25	56	6.0	42	7.0
2015	NYJ	16	39	25	64	12.0	98	8.2

[CanadaSteve]

J.J. Watt

Year	Team	G	Solo	Ast	Total	Sack	Yds	Yd/Sk
2011	HOU	16	49	7	56	5.5	47	8.5
2012	HOU	16	69	12	81	21.5	141	6.6
2013	HOU	16	65	15	80	10.5	70	6.7
2014	HOU	16	59	19	78	20.5	140	6.8
2015	HOU	16	56	20	76	17.5	117	6.7

I mean, its not even close between these two.

[SenorGato]

Mo Wilkerson: Year	Team	G	Solo	Ast	Total	Sack	Yds	Yd/Sk
2011	NYJ	16	35	13	48	3.0	24	8.0
2012	NYJ	16	38	32	70	5.0	25	5.0
2013	NYJ	16	43	21	64	10.5	62	5.9
2014	NYJ	13	31	25	56	6.0	42	7.0
2015	NYJ	16	39	25	64	12.0	98	8.2

Aw sh*t, here comes the #science. OK, so what do we do with this information? Stare at it?

[SenorGato]

J.J. Watt

Year	Team	G	Solo	Ast	Total	Sack	Yds	Yd/Sk
2011	HOU	16	49	7	56	5.5	47	8.5
2012	HOU	16	69	12	81	21.5	141	6.6
2013	HOU	16	65	15	80	10.5	70	6.7
2014	HOU	16	59	19	78	20.5	140	6.8
2015	HOU	16	56	20	76	17.5	117	6.7

I mean, its not even close between these two.

Ah, I see. The first set was a set up. You've laid to waste the argument that Wilkerson is better than Watt that no one was making. Put that one in the books folks, it's over.

[CanadaSteve]

Yeah, heaven forbid if someone posted, you know, the actual stats of each player showing that one is FAR superior than the other.  Hate when the truth gets in the way.

As stated, I think everyone hear gets it.  You love Mo.  But 9-10 GM's on this board will take the cap savings and a draft pick over keeping Mo any day of the week.  Just chalk it up to a difference of opinion.

[SenorGato]

Yeah, heaven forbid if someone posted, you know, the actual stats of each player showing that one is FAR superior than the other.  Hate when the truth gets in the way.

As stated, I think everyone hear gets it.  You love Mo.  But 9-10 GM's on this board will take the cap savings and a draft pick over keeping Mo any day of the week.  Just chalk it up to a difference of opinion.

Me too, you really showed the "Wilkerson is better than Watt" crowd what's what. Quick - do Wilkerson and McCoy. Or Wilkerson and Fletcher Cox!

JN's got 9-10 GM's on this board? **** me running - and I only get to argue with 2-3 of them?

Look - I get it that you feel there's something wrong with paying players. I get that you think that Edmonton becoming a running joke after trading Gretzky is somehow proof that the Jets should trade Wilkerson. I get that you were secretly arguing with that guy calling Wilkerson better than or equal to Watt the whole time. All that said, your opinion and a sack comparison to JJ Watt is all you've got in this and it's not enough. Like with Revis, Wilkerson will get paid, will be worth that contract, and it will probably be the Jets doing it.

[jgb]

If you had the cap space of last year- that one year deal wouldn't hurt you.    That isn't the case this year, as the Jets have limited cap space, and 16 million dollars would cost drastic cuts in other areas.   Effect the Jets ability to try and fix the weak spots in free agency.

If you don't franchise him you get nothing for him. They need to use the tag to lock him up barring a deal beforehand. Downside is you get him for 16 mill one year. Which isn't that bad. 99 percent chance he is tagged.

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[Shockwave]

Regarding Fletcher Cox, 

Gato/Other Wilkerson Supporters: This could be terrible news. 

The Idiotic Jets continue to wait and wait and wait and the money Wilkerson is going to want will only get higher. Lesser players will continue to get better deals as the cap goes up. 

Good teams lock up their star players early. The Jets waited AGAIN too long. The current 3-4 DE contracts (Hayward/Jordan) are definitely doable at 10-11m. However if Fletcher Cox gets 13-14m I can Guarantee the Jets will not be paying Wilkerson that money. 

If your a Wilkerson Fan you better hope the Jets get this deal done with Mo before Cox gets signed because if we continue to wait : Mo is gone. Signing these Jag's Marcus Gilschrist and Skrine for more then there worth and waiting on an Elite Player like Mo has really screwed up this situation. 

[SenorGato]

Gato/Other Wilkerson Supporters: This could be terrible news. 

First off, what a ridiculous and lame title - Wilkerson supporters. It's more like The Jets Should Join the 21st Century Supporter/s...working, but more on the point. 

Make all the guarantees in the world - they're empty and free to make! The Jets are free to sign Wilkerson before or after Cox, the key is that they will - guaranteed! Worst case is the franchise tag. Either way Wilkerson will be playing for the Jets next year - garaunteed! Gilchrist and Skrine too, as neither guy is a bad player nor a burden on the cap. Good teams lock their players up, period, and it's going to happen here - garaunteed!

Sorry to break it to you but you're going to have to overcome your unnecessary and futile whatever it is that has a few of you sh*tting your pants at the idea of paying a player. It's just going to happen, and there's nothing wrong or bad about it. In fact, it's a really good thing for the Jets, their fans, their players, the franchise's future as far as being a relevant and winning one....Most important, even our lord, Sir Woody, would benefit...Brace yourself, I guess. Or don't.....doesn't really matter who is ready for it or not - guaranteed! 

Really, if they weren't planning on keeping Wilkerson then he would have been traded before the last draft. Sorry, the good thing is that you'll get over it - guaranteed! 

 

 

[Joe Jets fan]

First off, what a ridiculous and lame title - Wilkerson supporters. It's more like The Jets Should Join the 21st Century Supporter/s...working, but more on the point.

Make all the guarantees in the world - they're empty and free to make! The Jets are free to sign Wilkerson before or after Cox, the key is that they will - guaranteed! Worst case is the franchise tag. Either way Wilkerson will be playing for the Jets next year - garaunteed! Gilchrist and Skrine too, as neither guy is a bad player nor a burden on the cap. Good teams lock their players up, period, and it's going to happen here - garaunteed!

Sorry to break it to you but you're going to have to overcome your unnecessary and futile whatever it is that has a few of you sh*tting your pants at the idea of paying a player. It's just going to happen, and there's nothing wrong or bad about it. In fact, it's a really good thing for the Jets, their fans, their players, the franchise's future as far as being a relevant and winning one....Most important, even our lord, Sir Woody, would benefit...Brace yourself, I guess. Or don't.....doesn't really matter who is ready for it or not - guaranteed!

Really, if they weren't planning on keeping Wilkerson then he would have been traded before the last draft. Sorry, the good thing is that you'll get over it - guaranteed!

 

 

Wow, glad no one had a break down over this topic.....

[Savage69]

First off, what a ridiculous and lame title - Wilkerson supporters. It's more like The Jets Should Join the 21st Century Supporter/s...working, but more on the point. 

Make all the guarantees in the world - they're empty and free to make! The Jets are free to sign Wilkerson before or after Cox, the key is that they will - guaranteed! Worst case is the franchise tag. Either way Wilkerson will be playing for the Jets next year - garaunteed! Gilchrist and Skrine too, as neither guy is a bad player nor a burden on the cap. Good teams lock their players up, period, and it's going to happen here - garaunteed!

Sorry to break it to you but you're going to have to overcome your unnecessary and futile whatever it is that has a few of you sh*tting your pants at the idea of paying a player. It's just going to happen, and there's nothing wrong or bad about it. In fact, it's a really good thing for the Jets, their fans, their players, the franchise's future as far as being a relevant and winning one....Most important, even our lord, Sir Woody, would benefit...Brace yourself, I guess. Or don't.....doesn't really matter who is ready for it or not - guaranteed! 

Really, if they weren't planning on keeping Wilkerson then he would have been traded before the last draft. Sorry, the good thing is that you'll get over it - guaranteed! 

 

 

Actually last year he missed games with turf toe so that wasn't the best time to trade him however one could say with 50 million to spend this past season why wasn't he signed then??

[JustInFudge]

Of his 12 sacks, 9 of them came on 1st or 2nd down (likely lined up next to Snacks).

Of his 12 sacks only 3 came in the 4th quarter; only one of those three was at a competitive point in the game.

Of his 12 sacks, none came in the last 3 weeks when the Jets needed to keep winning to stay alive.

This is hilariously stupid.  FWIW

1st down - 5 sacks, 2nd down 4 sacks, 3rd down 3 sacks.  WHAT A VARIANCE!!!!

1st quarter - 2 sacks, 2nd quarter 4.5 sacks, 3rd quarter 2.5 sacks, 4th quarter 3 sacks (including a FF) - interesting, no? 

Your last point is just silly talk considering the Jets won the last 5 of 6.  

 

Lets do JJ Watt.  This is fun!!!

Of his 17.5 sacks, 10.5 of them came on 1st and 2nd down.

Of his 17.5 sacks, only 4.5 of them came in the 4th quarter.

Of his 17.5 sacks, 4 of them came in the last 3 weeks vs. the Titans and Jags!!!!  Zero sacks in the playoff though

[#27TheDominator]

Regarding Fletcher Cox, 

Gato/Other Wilkerson Supporters: This could be terrible news. 

The Idiotic Jets continue to wait and wait and wait and the money Wilkerson is going to want will only get higher. Lesser players will continue to get better deals as the cap goes up. 

Good teams lock up their star players early. The Jets waited AGAIN too long. The current 3-4 DE contracts (Hayward/Jordan) are definitely doable at 10-11m. However if Fletcher Cox gets 13-14m I can Guarantee the Jets will not be paying Wilkerson that money. 

If your a Wilkerson Fan you better hope the Jets get this deal done with Mo before Cox gets signed because if we continue to wait : Mo is gone. Signing these Jag's Marcus Gilschrist and Skrine for more then there worth and waiting on an Elite Player like Mo has really screwed up this situation. 

If everybody knows what Fletcher Cox is going to get, why don't Wilkerson and his agent?  Do you think they are sitting there going - "Boy, I hope the Jets don't make us an offer before Fletcher Cox signs!"  - is that a thing?  These guys know the worth and what offers he would get. 

[EM31]

Good teams let their stud players walk all the time.  It is almost a hallmark of well managed teams like the Steelers and Patriots that they are prepared to let their top players walk and they simply will not overpay for a sentimental favorite at the expense of losing their handle on the overall team cap situation.  Whether it is Ty Law or Richard Seymour or whoever, if that player insists on a payday that is beyond what the team honestly feels is fair market value then the team moves in a different direction.

Period.

I would say it is the mark of a bad team that they over value their home grown talent and overpay to keep them in house.  The Jets have been guilty of that for years.  The Steelers and Patriots are perennially successful and we are not.  The way that a number of our recent GMs have handled the cap is a good part of the reason why.  We have a fanbase who always wants their ice cream now and we have had GMs, Mike Tanenbaum in particular who saw no probelm in giving that to them every year.  Mike Tanenbaum wins the off season yet again.  At least now he seems to be doing it with the Dolphins.

Every one of us would like Mo to stay for his entire career but only some of us are so short sighted that they are willing to offer a blank check to make that happen.  Big Mo needs to let the reality of his current injury sink in and he needs to accept the fact that while a full recovery is in the cards for him this time around,  that every player, no matter how good is one play away from retirement.  That is what a big signing bonus is meant to cover.  What has to happen is that Wilkerson needs to understand the risk that is being taken by the other side (the Jets) and his asking price needs to come down accordingly to reflect the risks being taken on both sides.

Or he can roll the dice like Leon Washington did.

 

[Savage69]

If everybody knows what Fletcher Cox is going to get, why don't Wilkerson and his agent?  Do you think they are sitting there going - "Boy, I hope the Jets don't make us an offer before Fletcher Cox signs!"  - is that a thing?  These guys know the worth and what offers he would get. 

The problem the Jets have on the D-line is 3 1st rd picks and you can't pay them all..Out of Mo,Sheldon and Williams something has to be decided so I guess the one you would get the most back from at this point would be Mo due to Sheldon's problems.. We should know what they decide before the draft or maybe during??

[Savage69]

Good teams let their stud players walk all the time.  It is almost a hallmark of well managed teams like the Steelers and Patriots that they are prepared to let their top players walk and they simply will not overpay for a sentimental favorite at the expense of losing their handle on the overall team cap situation.  Whether it is Ty Law or Richard Seymour or whoever, if that player insists on a payday that is beyond what the team honestly feels is fair market value then the team moves in a different direction.

Period.

I would say it is the mark of a bad team that they over value their home grown talent and overpay to keep them in house.  The Jets have been guilty of that for years.  The Steelers and Patriots are perennially successful and we are not.  The way that a number of our recent GMs have handled the cap is a good part of the reason why.  We have a fanbase who always wants their ice cream now and we have had GMs, Mike Tanenbaum in particular who saw no probelm in giving that to them every year.  Mike Tanenbaum wins the off season yet again.  At least now he seems to be doing it with the Dolphins.

Every one of us would like Mo to stay for his entire career but only some of us are so short sighted that they are willing to offer a blank check to make that happen.  Big Mo needs to let the reality of his current injury sink in and he needs to accept the fact that while a full recovery is in the cards for him this time around,  that every player, no matter how good is one play away from retirement.  That is what a big signing bonus is meant to cover.  What has to happen is that Wilkerson needs to understand the risk that is being taken by the other side (the Jets) and his asking price needs to come down accordingly to reflect the risks being taken on both sides.

Or he can roll the dice like Leon Washington did.

 

That sums it up pretty well 31..

[Jet Nut]

Good teams let their stud players walk all the time.  It is almost a hallmark of well managed teams like the Steelers and Patriots that they are prepared to let their top players walk and they simply will not overpay for a sentimental favorite at the expense of losing their handle on the overall team cap situation.  Whether it is Ty Law or Richard Seymour or whoever, if that player insists on a payday that is beyond what the team honestly feels is fair market value then the team moves in a different direction.

Period.

I would say it is the mark of a bad team that they over value their home grown talent and overpay to keep them in house.  The Jets have been guilty of that for years.  The Steelers and Patriots are perennially successful and we are not.  The way that a number of our recent GMs have handled the cap is a good part of the reason why.  We have a fanbase who always wants their ice cream now and we have had GMs, Mike Tanenbaum in particular who saw no probelm in giving that to them every year.  Mike Tanenbaum wins the off season yet again.  At least now he seems to be doing it with the Dolphins.

Every one of us would like Mo to stay for his entire career but only some of us are so short sighted that they are willing to offer a blank check to make that happen.  Big Mo needs to let the reality of his current injury sink in and he needs to accept the fact that while a full recovery is in the cards for him this time around,  that every player, no matter how good is one play away from retirement.  That is what a big signing bonus is meant to cover.  What has to happen is that Wilkerson needs to understand the risk that is being taken by the other side (the Jets) and his asking price needs to come down accordingly to reflect the risks being taken on both sides.

Or he can roll the dice like Leon Washington did.

 

Huge difference.  Law and Seyemore were in their 30's and on the way down when they were let go.  Not 26 year olds at the top of their game.  Both played through their first and second contract.  Not the same

If they move Mo its purely about money and future deals. But the Jets lose more that the Pats did with those two

[CanadaSteve]

Yeah, we get you have a man crush for Mo.  We REALLY REALLY get it.

You don't write a blank cheque for Mo.  I have tried to explain by showing stats that Mo is not even in the realm of value that JJ Watt is, but there seems to be a consensus that Mo wants Watt money.  If you want to pay Mo for JJ Watt money, I would hope you would be fired. 

EM31 pretty much sums it all up perfectly.  Franchises like the Steelers and Patriots let guys walk all the time when they want too much.  Wonder how many Super Bowls those two teams have been in?  I could put up another stat if you like.

[SenorGato]

Wow, glad no one had a break down over this topic.....

Same - guaranteed! 

Actually last year he missed games with turf toe so that wasn't the best time to trade him however one could say with 50 million to spend this past season why wasn't he signed then??

Who trades players during the season? I really can't remember the last time a major in-season trade happened. D'Angelo Hall? There was plenty of interest last offseason, but they didn't move him because they didn't and don't want to. Not extending him during an offseason they had him under contract for cheap and had a dozen holes on the roster is why Mac gets the big bucks and you are pondering why they'd go that route. 

[SenorGato]

Richard Seymour and Ty Law were Patriots for a decade. Try again!

[SenorGato]

Yeah, we get you have a man crush for Mo.  We REALLY REALLY get it.

You don't write a blank cheque for Mo.  I have tried to explain by showing stats that Mo is not even in the realm of value that JJ Watt is, but there seems to be a consensus that Mo wants Watt money.  If you want to pay Mo for JJ Watt money, I would hope you would be fired. 

EM31 pretty much sums it all up perfectly.  Franchises like the Steelers and Patriots let guys walk all the time when they want too much.  Wonder how many Super Bowls those two teams have been in?  I could put up another stat if you like.

Still? Instead of all this - why not hit me with some Fletcher Cox and Gerald McCoy numbers. Your boy didn't make as good an argument as you hope, so search for new coattails!

Like I said - I get that you have some kind of deep seeded issue with these guys getting paid. That doesn't matter or play into anything.

Also - you were given massive points for winning that big JJ Watt/Mo Wilkerson showdown. I already gave you that you showed those Wilkerson-is-better-than-Watt guys what's what! You can move past that as it never existed outside of your head in the first place.

[EM31]

Huge difference.  Law and Seyemore were in their 30's and on the way down when they were let go.  Not 26 year olds at the top of their game.

If they move Mo its purely about money and future deals. But the Jets lose more that the Pats did with those two

It was more than just those two with the Pats. The pattern is well known.

Obviously every situation is different.  The Jets have depth on the DL.  Mo is not indestructible and he is not JJ Watt.  Like others here I would prefer to keep Mo and trade Sheldon but that scenario may not be possible.  Every player has a price at which he simply is not worth it or at which he is simply not worth it to YOUR team.  Mo is a really good young player but he has a max value as well.

[Jet Nut]

Yeah, we get you have a man crush for Mo.  We REALLY REALLY get it.

You don't write a blank cheque for Mo.  I have tried to explain by showing stats that Mo is not even in the realm of value that JJ Watt is, but there seems to be a consensus that Mo wants Watt money.  If you want to pay Mo for JJ Watt money, I would hope you would be fired. 

EM31 pretty much sums it all up perfectly.  Franchises like the Steelers and Patriots let guys walk all the time when they want too much.  Wonder how many Super Bowls those two teams have been in?  I could put up another stat if you like.

Whos advocating a blank check?

Or Watt money?

And all of the players mentioned, who were let go, played through their first two contracts.  Not the same as dumping out at the end of the first, a current 26 year old pro bowl player. 

[EM31]

Richard Seymour and Ty Law were Patriots for a decade. Try again!

Gong on Seymour.  He left after seven years.  You try again.

In both cases there were other teams in the league who felt those players were still worth elite money and the Pats did not feel that way.  The Pats were right to let both of  them go.

Same thing with Lawyer Milloy.  Seven years and the list goes on.

[Jet Nut]

It was more than just those two with the Pats. The pattern is well known.

Obviously every situation is different.  The Jets have depth on the DL.  Mo is not indestructible and he is not JJ Watt.  Like others here I would prefer to keep Mo and trade Sheldon but that scenario may not be possible.  Every player has a price at which he simply is not worth it or at which he is simply not worth it to YOUR team.  Mo is a really good young player but he has a max value as well.

Those are the two you gave to make your point.  I didnt pick them out of the air.

I agree the Jets situation is different in every way.  At the top is they have depth and can move Mo.  But again, using Law, Seyemore and the Steelers is not comparable.  Problem is Mo is a 100 mil player.  In a different time, different Jets team he gets his money already and we move on.  Thats not his fault and doesnt mean its time to poke holes into him to make losing him feel better, as some have been doing

[SenorGato]

Whos advocating a blank check?

Or Watt money?

And all of the players mentioned, who were let go, played through their first two contracts.  Not the same as dumping out at the end of the first, a current 26 year old pro bowl player. 

I'd rather he just keep plowing on arguing with all those people saying Wilkerson is better than Watt, stopping only to mention that anyone who wants to keep Wilkerson is clearly in love with him or whatever that whole angle is.

It was more than just those two with the Pats. The pattern is well known.

Obviously every situation is different.  The Jets have depth on the DL.  Mo is not indestructible and he is not JJ Watt.  Like others here I would prefer to keep Mo and trade Sheldon but that scenario may not be possible.  Every player has a price at which he simply is not worth it or at which he is simply not worth it to YOUR team.  Mo is a really good young player but he has a max value as well.

Yet you're 0-2 in examples. The Steelers had a reputation of letting their *linebackers* go (often past their prime anyway) - but kept Aaron Smith around until he was toast.

No one is saying he doesn't have a max value. OTOH, I doubt we on a message board are in a position to really, truthfully say what that is. The hardest "analysis" of why Wilkerson isn't worth resigning by anyone here was CanadaSteve posting Watt's and Wilkerson's sack numbers to debunk the whole Wilkerson-is-better-than-Watt thing that never happened. 

[RutgersJetFan]

If everybody knows what Fletcher Cox is going to get, why don't Wilkerson and his agent?  Do you think they are sitting there going - "Boy, I hope the Jets don't make us an offer before Fletcher Cox signs!"  - is that a thing?  These guys know the worth and what offers he would get. 

Is that a thing would be my default retort if I were a GM.

"Well, based on Watt's contract his value should be around..."

"Wait what?"

"Watt's contract, it was..."

"What does that have to do with anything?"

"It sets market value for the position and..."

"That's a thing?"

[EM31]

I'd rather he just keep plowing on arguing with all those people saying Wilkerson is better than Watt.

Yet you're 0-2 in examples.

No one is saying he doesn't have a max value. OTOH, I doubt we on a message board are in a position to really, truthfully say what that is. The hardest "analysis" of why Wilkerson isn't worth resigning by anyone here was CanadaSteve posting Watt's and Wilkerson's sack numbers to debunk the whole Wilkerson-is-better-than-Watt thing that never happened. 

Well no actually you are incorrect on your assertion about Richard Seymour.  Perhaps you would care to amend that or should I post his actual career stats with the Pats?

But since the length of career with their first team was never mentioned by me in the first place I think that point is neither here nor there.  Nice try by the way on responding to a point that I did not try to make as a way to demonstrate that you had negated the point  that I was actually trying to make.

Do let me know if I need to break it down into smaller words for you.  That way you can actually try responding to what I did say instead of something made up by you.

[nyjets782]

We have so many ways to save cap room including: Restructuring some(Not all) of Revis Contract to 2017/2018), Trading Milliner, Cutting Cro, Restructuring Brick/Mangold etc.

Milliner's contract is fully guaranteed.  No team is trading for him to pay him over $4M and releasing him saves zero.  We will have to ride it out with him for one more year and see if he can play more than 5 games.

[SenorGato]

Gong on Seymour.  He left after seven years.  You try again.

In both cases there were other teams in the league who felt those players were still worth elite money and the Pats did not feel that way.  The Pats were right to let both of  them go.

Same thing with Lawyer Milloy.  Seven years and the list goes on.

8 seasons - ages 22-30 - and we're still at Seymour being a bad example.

In both cases the Pats kept both guys until their 30s - Seymour at almost exactly 30 and Law well into his. Wilkerson is 3 full seasons away from his age 30 season.

Milloy, a safety, doesn't have the premium position angle that Seymour, Law, and Wilkerson had. That said, he still was cut right after his age 29 season.

[EM31]

8 seasons - ages 22-30 - and we're still at Seymour being a bad example.

In both cases the Pats kept both guys until their 30s - Seymour at almost exactly 30 and Law well into his. Wilkerson is 3 full seasons away from his age 30 season.

 

Still.. not ten years as per your original assertion and I think some careful  checking on your part will find that he was in his 20s when he was traded and not in his 30s as you have now asserted twice.

... and once again, length of contract with his original team is neither here nor there.  My point was that star players who have a higher opinion of their value than the Patriots or the Steelers are frequently allowed to walk or be traded away by those successful teams.  This is true whether they are 23 or 33 and so the length of stay with their original team is besides the point.

Nice deflection.

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Still.. not ten years as per you original assertion and I think some careful  checking on your part will find that he was in his 20s when he was traded and not in his 30s as you have now asserted twice.

The ten years is minute relative to the fact that those guys weren't just randomly let go in the middle of their primes like so many of you are suggesting to do to Wilkerson. By "in his 20s" you mean "after his age 29 season."

[Jet Nut]

Still.. not ten years as per you original assertion and I think some careful  checking on your part will find that he was in his 20s when he was traded and not in his 30s as you have now asserted twice.

Seymour turned 30 at the beginning of his first season in Oakland.

Not the best example because the Raiders gave him a crazy contract that no team would match.  Matching a crazy over the top contract is not the same as letting someone go because you dont want to pay him what he should be paid.  And again they paid him twice, he had two contracts with NE