Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Just said it fwiw and had several sources confirm he was the guy hat persuaded he Jets not to go QB there. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 Just said it fwiw and had several sources confirm he was the guy hat persuaded he Jets not to go QB there. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If true Bowles should be fired at season's end. You don't pass up big strong fast cannon armed QB prospects for LBs. I don't care how fast the lb is. This is why HCs, particularly a rookie hc, shouldn't call the shots. Bowles was thinking of "his unit" and what HE could do with him, but not the team as a whole both long and short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Actually Lynch hasn't proven anything yet. And Lee has shown something. He was a good pick and fit what the team needed a fast linebacker. He is showing he can play in the NFL. He got beat yesterday a few times but his coverage of skill position players wasn't bad. Not too many linebackers can stay with those guys. It makes you think when he gets better he can be a very good and valuable player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 if Lynch turns out to be good this will mean Todd is as good at evaluating prospects as he is at being a Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If you believe anything you hear from Schein, you have not only my prayers but probably about 95% of the prayers of the rest of this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 When you hire defensive minded coaches this is what usually happens, FIRE TODD BOWLES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Actually Lynch hasn't proven anything yet. And Lee has shown something. He was a good pick and fit what the team needed a fast linebacker. He is showing he can play in the NFL. He got beat yesterday a few times but his coverage of skill position players wasn't bad. Not too many linebackers can stay with those guys. It makes you think when he gets better he can be a very good and valuable player. P. Lynch 14/24 170 1 First action off the bench due to injury. Long way to go obviously, but a good start. While I don't dislike Lee you don't pass on prototypical QBs for lbs. Lee hasn't proven much either, he's merely shown potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Actually Lynch hasn't proven anything yet. And Lee has shown something. Good luck trying to win a Super Bowl with undersized LB's instead of a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Back to the Rex Ryan years of the coach dictating how drafts go? If that is the case don't fire Bowles fire macacagnan. Most coaches should have very little input into drafting at all, I'd kick their asses out of the draft process if it was me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Actually Lynch hasn't proven anything yet. And Lee has shown something. He was a good pick and fit what the team needed a fast linebacker. He is showing he can play in the NFL. He got beat yesterday a few times but his coverage of skill position players wasn't bad. Not too many linebackers can stay with those guys. It makes you think when he gets better he can be a very good and valuable player. He hasnt. But if the HC is throwing his dick around in the draft room, specifically about QB's...yeah, not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Back to the Rex Ryan years of the coach dictating how drafts go? If that is the case don't fire Bowles fire macacagnan. Most coaches should have very little input into drafting at all, I'd kick their asses out of the draft process if it was me. FIRE BOTH of them!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Back to the Rex Ryan years of the coach dictating how drafts go? If that is the case don't fire Bowles fire macacagnan. Most coaches should have very little input into drafting at all, I'd kick their asses out of the draft process if it was me. Good point. Mr Coffee in hand should have flexed some muscle and overridden the db coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 23 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Just said it fwiw and had several sources confirm he was the guy hat persuaded he Jets not to go QB there. Great. what sources? Schein has been known to be an extreme exaggerator at times, although fairly reliable most of the time. Frankly, I'd be shocked if Mac let Bowles dictate personnel decisions as important as this. I call bullsheet on this, absent the sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Dcat said: what sources? Schein has been known to be an extreme exaggerator at times, although fairly reliable most of the time. All he said he knew for a fact Bowles did not want Lynch...he didnt have any info on what Maccagnan thought of Lynch fwiw...Schein isn't Manish so I tend to think there's some truth to it....I'm sure Bowels pushed for Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Just now, Matt39 said: All he said he knew for a fact Bowles did not want Lynch...he didnt have any info on what Maccagnan thought of Lynch fwiw... Maybe they both didn't like him. He (Lynch) is as dumb as a rock, so they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Dcat said: Maybe they both didn't like him. He (Lynch) is as dumb as a rock, so they say. Ftiz is the smartest Qb to ever play in this league according to the wonderlict. (And his present salary...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 His sources are TMZ and the Enquirer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dcat said: Maybe they both didn't like him. He (Lynch) is as dumb as a rock, so they say. Is Todd Bowles a genuis I beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: P. Lynch 14/24 170 1 First action off the bench due to injury. Long way to go obviously, but a good start. While I don't dislike Lee you don't pass on prototypical QBs for lbs. Lee hasn't proven much either, he's merely shown potential. This would be on Mac and not Bowles... But if Mac liked Lynch better than Hack and didn't take him because they wanted the LB (or because Bowles didn't like him) then Mac should lose his job. The only way Mac should have passed on Lynch is if he liked Hack better. You don't mess around with QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dcat said: Maybe they both didn't like him. He (Lynch) is as dumb as a rock, so they say. Sure, I mean he didn't go to Harrrrvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 32 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Just said it fwiw and had several sources confirm he was the guy hat persuaded he Jets not to go QB there. Great. He wanted Fitzpatrick and a LB to cover Shady McCoy. Good luck with that, Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 33 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Just said it fwiw and had several sources confirm he was the guy hat persuaded he Jets not to go QB there. Great. Then Mac is a pusswah and serves no purpose here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: This would be on Mac and not Bowles... But if Mac liked Lynch better than Hack and didn't take him because they wanted the LB (or because Bowles didn't like him) then Mac should lose his job. The only way Mac should have passed on Lynch is if he liked Hack better. You don't mess around with QB's. I think it's obvious that he liked Hack better or he would have taken Lynch. No H.C. is gonna talk the GM out of giving him his franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: He wanted Fitzpatrick and a LB to cover Shady McCoy. Good luck with that, Todd. Deion Buchanon tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, JiF said: Then Mac is a pusswah and serves no purpose here . Coaches are always going to think short term...if Mac bent over on this yeah not good. My guess is Maccagnan liked Hackeberg enough that he didnt mind passing on Lynch, which is ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, nyjunc said: if Lynch turns out to be good this will mean Todd is as good at evaluating prospects as he is at being a Head Coach. Idzik level brilliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Todd Bowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 24 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Actually Lynch hasn't proven anything yet. And Lee has shown something. He was a good pick and fit what the team needed a fast linebacker. He is showing he can play in the NFL. He got beat yesterday a few times but his coverage of skill position players wasn't bad. Not too many linebackers can stay with those guys. It makes you think when he gets better he can be a very good and valuable player. Lynch proved he could come in the game on a pinch on the road and lead his team to a score in his first ever action. It happened to be a 2 minute drill at the end of the first half. He took no first team reps for an entire offseason (Sanchez and Seimian were battling) and managed a team to a victory by throwing a TD, completing 60% of his passes for 170 yards in a half of play, not turn the ball over and lead his team to 3 scoring drives. Lee has proved he can do what every single LB'er in the NFL can do, tackle people. Lee looks like a good little player, Lynch may end up sucking...but acting like one has proved something more than the other is silly talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Well, if true, at least Bowles did something right. Lynch is not a first round talent, not that he isn't going to be decent. Far to many flaws, the biggest being his inability to throw to the left (without telegraphing by turning his entire body). However, it's not the head coaches job to make that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, hawk said: Well, if true, at least Bowles did something riget. Lynch is not a first round talent, not that he isn't going to be decent. Far to many flaws, the biggest being his inability to throw to the left (without telegraphing by turning his entire body). The Super Bowl Champs felt comfortable enough to put him in the game, while the Jets guy still isnt allowed to fill up the gatorade jugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Coaches are always going to think short term...if Mac bent over on this yeah not good. My guess is Maccagnan liked Hackeberg enough that he didnt mind passing on Lynch, which is ****ed. We're sooooo boned. Mac is a moron/pusswah and Bowles was completely fooled by Ryan Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Once upon a time the Fans of a team thought a draft pick was a bust . Then that draft pick entered a game in the 4th quarter and threw some really nice passes and everyone was giddy . The following week, that same guy stunk up the joint, and went back to bust status . Jet fans you folks really need to quit with this instant gratification garbage . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, Matt39 said: My guess is Maccagnan liked Hackeberg enough that he didnt mind passing on Lynch, which is ****ed. This certainly looks to be the case, which is the worst-case scenario: that Maccagnan not only thought drafting Hackenberg was a good idea, but that doing so was some clever little coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Really though, if they had signed spiller and continued assembling the Bills 2011 offense then they could have scored like 10 points against the seahawks. Spiller also wouldn't have scored a touchdown against them. I think the moral of the story is they really need to get the rest of the guys from that 2011 Bills offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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