FidelioJet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, bitonti said: Did anyone else see the graphic tb12 was getting the ball out in under a second on MNF in the first half Whether Williams is legit or not, the Pats gameplanned to take the Jets DL out of the game and they did exactly that *** also anyone who wants to say Williams was the wrong pick better have a name instead. Half of you bozos wanted Jonah Williams... I don't think it's Josh Allen either. Sometimes the draft gives you what you need sometimes you take BAP. Mac was a moron but these picks weren't all that bad at the top of rd 1. It's the Hackenbergs and Polites (and the 3 seconds they traded for Darnold) that murder the roster Trade down - recoup those picks we gave up for Darnold. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Imagine if we actually played our interior defensive lineman, in, you know, the interior of the line. We wouldn't be judging LW and QW on the ability to sack the QB if we played a 4-3 and had true edge rushers. Is this any different than expecting a guard to excel at playing tackle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, FidelioJet said: Trade down - recoup those picks we gave up for Darnold. and pick who? i want names if the trade down is to 11 to take Jonah Williams it doesn't help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Did anyone else see the graphic tb12 was getting the ball out in under a second on MNF in the first half Whether Williams is legit or not, the Pats gameplanned to take the Jets DL out of the game and they did exactly that *** also anyone who wants to say Williams was the wrong pick better have a name instead. Half of you bozos wanted Jonah Williams... I don't think it's Josh Allen either. Sometimes the draft gives you what you need sometimes you take BAP. Mac was a moron but these picks weren't all that bad at the top of rd 1. It's the Hackenbergs and Polites (and the 3 seconds they traded for Darnold) that murder the roster I wanted Bosa, but Q was my second choice. Leave it to that F, John Lynch to screw the Jets again.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, bitonti said: Half of you bozos wanted Jonah Williams... Wanting an offensive tackle makes you a bozo? He got hurt in OTAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Wanting an offensive tackle makes you a bozo? He got hurt in OTAs. because he's not an NFL left tackle and there was nothing from combine work outs or tape to suggest he was people pushed him up because of the tackle shortage. He's a RT probably 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Wanting an offensive tackle makes you a bozo? He got hurt in OTAs. Jonah Williams LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, bitonti said: because he's not an NFL left tackle and there was nothing from combine work outs or tape to suggest he was people pushed him up because of the tackle shortage. He's a RT probably We need an upgrade on every position on the line. A right tackle and more draft picks over another interior DL playing out of position. Even if he ended up playing guard, it would have been a better pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: Jonah Williams LMFAO This is funny, because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: because he's not an NFL left tackle and there was nothing from combine work outs or tape to suggest he was people pushed him up because of the tackle shortage. He's a RT probably The QW haters will defend drafting a noodle shoulder Guard who is not a Brick or Nelson level prospect But Quinnen Williams yeah he’s worse than Coples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: This is funny, because? Because Jonah is MIA this year and will have a chronic shoulder problem rest of his mediocre ass career Ladies and gentlemen this is what we missed out on for QW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, bitonti said: and pick who? i want names if the trade down is to 11 to take Jonah Williams it doesn't help You take any offensive player you can... Are you suggesting there wasn't an offensive player worth taking at #11 - If I remember correctly there were a number of T, G and C taken between 10 and 20....a couple TE's too.... I would much rather have one of those - two 2's than a DT that can't even break into the starting line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: You take any offensive player you can... Are you suggesting there wasn't an offensive player worth taking at #11 - If I remember correctly there were a number of T, G and C taken between 10 and 20....a couple TE's too.... I would much rather have one of those - two 2's than a DT that can't even break into the starting line up. 1. You need a trade partner 2. Jonah sucks and his shoulder is made of glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Because Jonah is MIA this year and will have a chronic shoulder problem rest of his mediocre ass career Ladies and gentlemen this is what we missed out on for QW I put you on my ignore list for a reason. I make the mistake of reading one of your posts to see if you are no longer an insufferable female feline. Once again, I am wrong. You assume that Jonah Williams would have torn his labrum had he been drafted by the Jets. Look up outcome bias. Back on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Philc1 said: 1. You need a trade partner 2. Jonah sucks and his shoulder is made of glass There were trades made after the Jets - so there were opportunities there Jonah wasn't the only one there - G, T, C, TE's....all in the range... And don't talk to me about "reaching" no one's a lock...BPA is nice if you have a stacked roster - Jets needed to protect Sam or get him weapons. They did neither. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, bitonti said: because he's not an NFL left tackle and there was nothing from combine work outs or tape to suggest he was people pushed him up because of the tackle shortage. He's a RT probably Except for the FACT that he was their starting LT when he got hurt. Who needs facts when you can just make sh*t up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 As young as Q is and the fact he missed games with injury, I think he is doing great. He is not going to make big time plays yet, but you want to see the flashes that show he can be great. Ive seen the flashes. Like I have said b4, hes a boy playing against men. An offseason in an nfl strength and conditioning program and he will take off next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Dwayne ..... i mean quinnen will probably get his first sack NEVER! Because he SUCKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: This is funny, because? Because Jonah Williams is a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I put you on my ignore list for a reason. I make the mistake of reading one of your posts to see if you are no longer an insufferable female feline. Once again, I am wrong. You assume that Jonah Williams would have torn his labrum had he been drafted by the Jets. Look up outcome bias. Back on ignore. Wah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, RobR said: Except for the FACT that he was their starting LT when he got hurt. Who needs facts when you can just make sh*t up. Oh yes, and what a great run he had! That bust didn’t even play in a preseason game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: There were trades made after the Jets - so there were opportunities there Jonah wasn't the only one there - G, T, C, TE's....all in the range... And don't talk to me about "reaching" no one's a lock...BPA is nice if you have a stacked roster - Jets needed to protect Sam or get him weapons. They did neither. So who is the great offensive weapon you would have taken? If you want to bitch about not trading Leo to try to get a 2nd that we could have drafted DK with I’m with you there but other than Marquise Brown I don’t see any great offensive players in the first round we missed out on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: As young as Q is and the fact he missed games with injury, I think he is doing great. He is not going to make big time plays yet, but you want to see the flashes that show he can be great. Ive seen the flashes. Like I have said b4, hes a boy playing against men. An offseason in an nfl strength and conditioning program and he will take off next year. The Quinnen bashing is ludicrous. Yeah it’s his fault Sam threw 5 picks that gave the pats the ball at the Jets 20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: So who is the great offensive weapon you would have taken? If you want to bitch about not trading Leo to try to get a 2nd that we could have drafted DK with I’m with you there but other than Marquise Brown I don’t see any great offensive players in the first round we missed out on Any offensive weapon is better than another run stopping DT. We'll end up with an average-to-above average interior defensive player - fine, good for the Jets. But... I would happily have taken an average to above average - just about anything else. I really don't want to go back and forth about this - just my opinion that the least impactful position on the field, the most easily found position in FA and the draft...is not what you take at #3 overall.. And certainly not, what feels like, every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: Any offensive weapon is better than another run stopping DT. We'll end up with an average-to-above average interior defensive player - fine, good for the Jets. But... I would happily have taken an average to above average - just about anything else. I really don't want to go back and forth about this - just my opinion that the least impactful position on the field, the most easily found position in FA and the draft...is not what you take at #3 overall.. And certainly not, what feels like, every year. Way to answer the question 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 3:25 PM, NYJ1 said: BPA The proponents of BPA-at-all-costs have forgotten that the method is only as good as the evaluator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, jgb said: The proponents of BPA at all costs have forgotten that that method is only as good as the evaluator. The Quinnen haters can’t name anyone other than Josh Allen who is a defensive player btw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: The Quinnen haters can’t name anyone other than Josh Allen who is a defensive player btw Wait a minute you’re saying that people who post here can only name two defensive players in the league? Dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Wait a minute you’re saying that people who post here can only name two defensive players in the league? Dude. Well, perhaps but I was saying the Quinnen hatred Cult can’t really make an argument for not drafting Quinnen: Allen - been ok, only other real option, I’d argue Quinnen has been about as good Oliver - same thing as Quinnen just on a better team with better coaches Jonah - lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: Well, perhaps but I was saying the Quinnen hatred Cult can’t really make a great argument for not drafting Quinnen: Allen - been ok, only other real option, I’d argue Quinnen has been about as good Oliver - same thing as Quinnen just on a better team with better coaches Jonah - lol There’s plenty of good arguments, whether you agree or not is your prerogative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounap23 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 6:56 AM, BCJet said: What a preposterous thread. Here is the pff write up on Quinnen from last night. Both Quinnen Williams and Leonard Williams were exceptional all night long defending the run, often tossing New England offensive linemen around like ragdolls. The former looked just like he did back in his Alabama days, operating as an unblockable wrecking ball of destruction on the interior of the defensive line. If we had an outside rusher that any team cared about game planning for. Both Wiilliams' would have 10-15 sacks a year.. Every team knows to double team them and not worry about an outside rush cause we ave none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, jgb said: There’s plenty of good arguments, whether you agree or not is your prerogative. If the arguments are so good why do I keep hearing some generic “anyone” when I ask for the identity of what the better alternative to Quinnen was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, RobR said: Except for the FACT that he was their starting LT when he got hurt. Who needs facts when you can just make sh*t up. Geno Smith was given the starting Qb job that doesn't make him a starting QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Philc1 said: If the arguments are so good why do I keep hearing some generic “anyone” when I ask for the identity of what the better alternative to Quinnen was Because that's the point. ANYONE would have been better. I'm certainly not a scout, I imagine you're not either. Why does it matter who I would have picked? I can go pull up a list of the next 10 offensive players in the draft...will that make you feel better? Then you'll sh-t all over the 10 guys I named, as if you know more than I do. You don't. I certainly don't more than you either. Hitting on a player is a crap shoot - what you can control 100% of the time is the position of the player you're drafting. I don't dislike QW as a player I dislike the pick because of the position he plays and the needs of the team. If he's anything short of a perennial all pro then it was an awful draft pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, bitonti said: Geno Smith was given the starting Qb job that doesn't make him a starting QB Actually it does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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