What if Mark Sanchez won a Super Bowl?

[EM31]

I would take Eric Mangini back today and i would have taken him in a heartbeat over any of our last few clowns/coaches.

In fact I think he would fit with Joe Douglas' philosophy pretty nicely.

With that said some people continue to buy into the Rex Ryan Ponzi scheme even after he was unmasked yet again in Buffalo.  Other people just follow the mantra Patriots fans who feel that they have the right to tell us who we should dislike.

You really really cannot make this stuff up.

[Lith]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sanchez is the reason we DIDN'T win a Super Bowl in '09 or '10.  People still trying to look back on his career with any positivity should just be fired into the sun along with Sanchez himself.  

I think you are being a little harsh.  Especially with respect to 2009.  As a rookie, Sanchez job was not to mess it up and let the rest of the team win games.  That worked out well in both Cincy and SD where the defense, OL and running games were dominant, and Mark didn't screw anything up.  But to expect him to go into Indy and go toe to toe with Peyton Manning is a tall order for a rookie.  '09 we went as far as we should have.  We got beat by a HOF QB having one of his best post-season performances.  No shame in that.

 

[nyjunc]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mangini pulled the tarp off the biggest cheating scandal in sports since Shoeless Joe Jackson and single-handedly slapped an asterisk on twenty year’s worth of NFL record-keeping. He turned the league’s banner franchise into a Ben Johnson/Lance Armstrong/Barry Bonds-level exemplar of fraud and illegitimacy. 
 

Now, your turn, why hasn’t Rex been able to get so much as an interview for a coaching job since he was escorted out of the Bills facility five years ago? And this, despite his annual groveling for a job every offseason?

The Patriots won 6 SBs, I couldn't care less about phone asterisks.

Rex could get a college job if he wanted. Much like Pete Carroll it's hard to get a third chance. I wasn't asking why Eric didn't get a third HC job but if he was this personnel guru why hasn't some team hired him for their front office?

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You only got Idzik because nobody wanted to inherit Rex. You cannot separate the two.

We got idzik because we foolishly fired Mike Tannenbaum.

[nyjunc]

Just now, Lith said:

I think you are being a little harsh.  Especially with respect to 2009.  As a rookie, Sanchez job was not to mess it up and let the rest of the team win games.  That worked out well in both Indy and SD where the defense, OL and running games were dominant, and Mark didn't screw anything up.  But to expect him to go into Indy and go toe to toe with Peyton Manning is a tall order for a rookie.  '09 we went as far as we should have.  We got beat by a HOF QB having one of his best post-season performances.  No shame in that.

 

He's clueless, don't bother with him.

[T0mShane]

Just now, nyjunc said:

The Patriots won 6 SBs, I couldn't care less about phone asterisks.

Rex could get a college job if he wanted. Much like Pete Carroll it's hard to get a third chance. I wasn't asking why Eric didn't get a third HC job but if he was this personnel guru why hasn't some team hired him for their front office?

We got idzik because we foolishly fired Mike Tannenbaum.

Look at Tannenbaum’s offseasons without Mangini and then ask yourself why anyone would hire him to do anything. He was a catastrophe.

[nyjunc]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Look at Tannenbaum’s offseasons without Mangini and then ask yourself why anyone would hire him to do anything. He was a catastrophe.

Mike acquired talent to get us within a game if the SB twice.

Without Eric Mike made 2 AFC Championship Games then helped another franchise make the playoffs (only their second since 2002).  

Now do Eric without Mike

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

Mike acquired talent to get us within a game if the SB twice.

Without Eric Mike made 2 AFC Championship Games then helped another franchise make the playoffs (only their second since 2002).  

Now do Eric without Mike

Tannebaum, and Rex, made a two year run with Mangini’s team and then fell off the table as those players moved on and were replaced by garbage. The draft records are there. The best player Tannenbaum drafted post-Mangini was Mo Wilkerson. The next best was Vlad Ducasse. 

[Tezza]

2 hours ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

1. Definitely! 
2. Potentially it depends if he was pro bowl worthy of any Superbowl year and future years
3. A hero! 

[Jetsfan80]

9 minutes ago, Lith said:

I think you are being a little harsh.  Especially with respect to 2009.  As a rookie, Sanchez job was not to mess it up and let the rest of the team win games.  That worked out well in both Cincy and SD where the defense, OL and running games were dominant, and Mark didn't screw anything up.  But to expect him to go into Indy and go toe to toe with Peyton Manning is a tall order for a rookie.  '09 we went as far as we should have.  We got beat by a HOF QB having one of his best post-season performances.  No shame in that.

 

 

Meh.  If he'd shown any progress after that '09 season I'd be less harsh on him.  He didn't.  He was the same guy in '09 as he was the rest of his career.  The guy that lost a game to Buffalo despite his run game racking up over 300 yards and his defense doing its usual dominant things to get the offense the ball back, all because Sanchez threw 5 INT's.

Sanchez took the best rosters we've ever had and nearly missed the playoffs both times because of his own ineptitude.  And he directly cost us the playoffs in 2011 as well.

[slats]

24 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Tough out there for a whistleblower. What’s Rex’s excuse?

As long as you realize you're making weak excuses for Mangini, I'm good. 

[slats]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Tannebaum, and Rex, made a two year run with Mangini’s team and then fell off the table as those players moved on and were replaced by garbage. The draft records are there. The best player Tannenbaum drafted post-Mangini was Mo Wilkerson. The next best was Vlad Ducasse. 

If this is true, I guess the only time Mangini made the playoffs was with Herm's team. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

If this is true, I guess the only time Mangini made the playoffs was with Herm's team. 

How many drafts until it becomes a person’s team? Three? Because three years into “Rex’s team,” the franchise was the Lusitania. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Let's put it this way, if Mark Sanchez won a Super Bowl, there would already have been a statue of him eating a hot dog. 

[Lith]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Meh.  If he'd shown any progress after that '09 season I'd be less harsh on him.  He didn't.  He was the same guy in '09 as he was the rest of his career.  The guy that lost a game to Buffalo despite his run game racking up over 300 yards and his defense doing its usual dominant things to get the offense the ball back, all because Sanchez threw 5 INT's.

Sanchez took the best rosters we've ever had and nearly missed the playoffs both times because of his own ineptitude.  And he directly cost us the playoffs in 2011 as well.

To me, though, the issue is not what he did in 09 & 10.  That was fine for a QB starting in big spots in his first two seasons.  Sure there were a couple of games each of those two years that we lost strictly because he was awful.  That tends to happen with young QBs.  Problem imo is that he never got any better after the 2010 season.  We needed him to take that next step if we were to remain contenders.  He didn't.

After those first two seasons, I really thought he was going to be special.  He elevated his play late in tight games, especially 2010,  Late comebacks against Det, Cleve, Houston.  Indy in the playffs.  I expected him to eliminate those 2 or 3 games a season where he was terrinble, but it never happened.  He lost me at the end of the 2011 season.  8-5 with 3 games left and he sucked and the team sucked over those last 3.  And we have not been any good since.

[EM31]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Meh.  If he'd shown any progress after that '09 season I'd be less harsh on him.  He didn't.  He was the same guy in '09 as he was the rest of his career.  The guy that lost a game to Buffalo despite his run game racking up over 300 yards and his defense doing its usual dominant things to get the offense the ball back, all because Sanchez threw 5 INT's.

Sanchez took the best rosters we've ever had and nearly missed the playoffs both times because of his own ineptitude.  And he directly cost us the playoffs in 2011 as well.

That is a little unfair in one sense.  Yes the teams around him the first two years were very good and he went along for the ride most of the way based on a "don't screw it up kid" approach to game planning.  But with that said, he played MUCH better in the playoffs games and so I think that in the end we were what our final record says we were in those years.  A good team but not a championship team.

I don't think his play (at the end) is what cost us the Superbowl in those years.  On the other hand i am pretty much on board with the idea that he was Trent Dilfer without the ring and the idea that he could carry a team on his back did not have much of a shelf life.

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, slats said:

As long as you realize you're making weak excuses for Mangini, I'm good. 

I don’t think that saying Mangini can’t get a job because he burned Belichick and Goodell is “weak.” I do, however, feel like believing Rex is a great coach and a transformative asset *but* can’t even get an interview for a job is irreconcilable. 

[EM31]

7 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Let's put it this way, if Mark Sanchez won a Super Bowl, there would already have been a statue of him eating a hot dog. 

If Sanchez won a Superbowl he would have had lifetime backstage pass to the Victioria's Secret runway models changing room.

As it was he went from Victoria's Secret models to JC Penny catalog models to who knows what.... Cleveland women's correctional facility calendar models.

[nyjunc]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Tannebaum, and Rex, made a two year run with Mangini’s team and then fell off the table as those players moved on and were replaced by garbage. The draft records are there. The best player Tannenbaum drafted post-Mangini was Mo Wilkerson. The next best was Vlad Ducasse. 

How did mangini do with "mangini's" team?

And again if Eric was this personnel guru why haven't teams lined up to hire him in their front office?

[slats]

8 minutes ago, Lith said:

To me, though, the issue is not what he did in 09 & 10.  That was fine for a QB starting in big spots in his first two seasons.  Sure there were a couple of games each of those two years that we lost strictly because he was awful.  That tends to happen with young QBs.  Problem imo is that he never got any better after the 2010 season.  We needed him to take that next step if we were to remain contenders.  He didn't.

After those first two seasons, I really thought he was going to be special.  He elevated his play late in tight games, especially 2010,  Late comebacks against Det, Cleve, Houston.  Indy in the playffs.  I expected him to eliminate those 2 or 3 games a season where he was terrinble, but it never happened.  He lost me at the end of the 2011 season.  8-5 with 3 games left and he sucked and the team sucked over those last 3.  And we have not been any good since.

I think Sanchez was just lazy. That he didn't put in the work. He had talent, and like every other Jet QB didn't get much help here, but he did little to help himself. He left the team and was basically handed the starting job in both Philly and Denver only to lose it just as quickly. 

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

Probably. 

2 hours ago, BelgianJet said:

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

Probably not.

2 hours ago, BelgianJet said:

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

For Jets Fans, like Namath, i.e. overrated in most ways and beloved no matter what by some.

Nationally, as what he would be, a carried-by-his-team one-time winner with a bad resume, like Baltimore's Trent Dilfer.

 

[nyjunc]

29 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Meh.  If he'd shown any progress after that '09 season I'd be less harsh on him.  He didn't.  He was the same guy in '09 as he was the rest of his career.  The guy that lost a game to Buffalo despite his run game racking up over 300 yards and his defense doing its usual dominant things to get the offense the ball back, all because Sanchez threw 5 INT's.

Sanchez took the best rosters we've ever had and nearly missed the playoffs both times because of his own ineptitude.  And he directly cost us the playoffs in 2011 as well.

Ah so one terrible game as a rookie trumps all the good he did especially in 2010 when it was almost week after week he and the pass O saved the D from blowing games.

The D directly cost us the playoffs in 2011. At 8-5 they didn't show up in Philly then with a lead late in the 1st half against NYG they allowed a WR(one they were mocking during that week) to catch a 5 yard pass and go 99 yards to change that game and that season for both teams.

11 minutes ago, Lith said:

To me, though, the issue is not what he did in 09 & 10.  That was fine for a QB starting in big spots in his first two seasons.  Sure there were a couple of games each of those two years that we lost strictly because he was awful.  That tends to happen with young QBs.  Problem imo is that he never got any better after the 2010 season.  We needed him to take that next step if we were to remain contenders.  He didn't.

After those first two seasons, I really thought he was going to be special.  He elevated his play late in tight games, especially 2010,  Late comebacks against Det, Cleve, Houston.  Indy in the playffs.  I expected him to eliminate those 2 or 3 games a season where he was terrinble, but it never happened.  He lost me at the end of the 2011 season.  8-5 with 3 games left and he sucked and the team sucked over those last 3.  And we have not been any good since.

It was hard to expect him to get better when the talent kept getting worse. Look at his healthy talent in 2012 and tell me how any QB besides Brady could win with those guys?

[slats]

18 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t think that saying Mangini can’t get a job because he burned Belichick and Goodell is “weak.” I do, however, feel like believing Rex is a great coach and a transformative asset *but* can’t even get an interview for a job is irreconcilable. 

If Mangini wasn't an impossible human being, he'd find work. Being a snitch is just one component of his crappy character. 

I don't believe either of those things about Rex, so you'll have to find another strawman to argue with there, but I don't think he had any interest in working in any capacity other than head coach once he achieved that, which is why he's not working. If he wanted to be Wade Philips or Gregg Williams, I'm very confident that he could. 

[nyjunc]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

I think Sanchez was just lazy. That he didn't put in the work. He had talent, and like every other Jet QB didn't get much help here, but he did little to help himself. He left the team and was basically handed the starting job in both Philly and Denver only to lose it just as quickly. 

He wasn't handed the starting job anywhere. He was a backup in Philly and came in for an injured foles and elevated the offense.  In Denver he was veteran insurance and nothing more.

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, EM31 said:

But with that said, he played MUCH better in the playoffs games and so I think that in the end we were what our final record says we were in those years.  A good team but not a championship team.

"Much better" for Sanchez doesn't say much, considering he merely had to improve on his normal performances as the worst starting QB in NFL history.

He averaged 192.5 yards per game in the postseason.  He operated as a caretaker for the game's best rosters.  Cool.  He still ultimately failed.  We won no trophies. 

[slats]

Just now, nyjunc said:

He wasn't handed the starting job anywhere. He was a backup in Philly and came in for an injured foles and elevated the offense.  In Denver he was veteran insurance and nothing more.

He was presumptive starter when he arrived in Denver, but dropped like a rock to third string behind NFL luminaries Trevor Siemian and Paxton Lynch. 

Mark Sanchez love on this site should be relegated to PMs between you and @SAR I. 

[jeremy2020]

What if Anna Kendrick knocked on my door and wanted to **** my brains out?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

What if Anna Kendrick knocked on my door and wanted to **** my brains out?

Not that she isn't cute, but why do people keep trying to make her being some fantasy girl a thing?  I don't get it.  So many better options to choose from.  

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

How did mangini do with "mangini's" team?

And again if Eric was this personnel guru why haven't teams lined up to hire him in their front office?

He went 10-6, 4-12, then 9-7. Mangini got fired after 9-7, and Rex, in eight years as head coach, only finished better than 9-7 one time. Mangini doesn’t have a job because he ratted out Belichick. 

[slats]

Here you go, @nyjunc, spare me your bull****. 

Mark Sanchez on Broncos chance: Gift-wrapped 'from heaven'

 

Michael Silver

NFL.COM COLUMNIST

 

ENGLEWOOD, Co. -- Last December, shortly before the end of his second season as a backup quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles, Mark Sanchez sent bottles of wine to coaches, front-office employees and other staffers as a token of his appreciation.

Less than three months later, the Eagles sent Sanchez to a place he regards as pro football's champagne lounge.

Upon completing an offseason workout in Southern California on March 11, Sanchez noticed a pair of missed calls from Philly general manager Howie Roseman and figured he'd been released. Instead, upon calling back, the former New York Jets first-round pick and four-year starter received some surprising and exciting news.

"You gave me a bottle of wine for the holidays," Roseman told Sanchez. "You're probably gonna owe me a case of wine for this one."

Roseman then informed Sanchez he'd been traded to the Denver Broncos for a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2017 draft, giving him a golden opportunity to revive his once-promising career -- for the defending Super Bowl champions.

On Thursday, Sanchez completed his first training-camp practice for his third NFL team as the Broncos' nominal No. 1 quarterback, armed with the knowledge that he has the inside track to succeed the legendary Peyton Manning as the main man in the Mile High City. He'll have to fend off challenges from second-year passer Trevor Siemian and 2016 first-round pick Paxton Lynch to earn that honor, but the quarterback once known as Sanchize believes he's the right guy for the job.

 

Sanchez, who took the Jets to AFC Championship Games in each of his first two seasons, knows this may be his last shot to reestablish himself as a legitimate NFL starter. It's not an endeavor he's taking lightly.

"This is like a gift-wrapped opportunity from heaven," he told me Thursday afternoon. "As soon as it arrived, I told myself, 'Take advantage of things. Assert yourself. Be the guy you know you can be. Win the job. And then go win some games, which is the most important thing of all.' "

Last year, the Broncos won 12 regular-season games while flip-flopping between a well-past-his-prime Manning (now retired) and untested 2012 draft pick Brock Osweiler (who parlayed a seven-game starting stint into a four-year, $72-million free-agent deal with the Houston Texans). Coach Gary Kubiak's surprising switch back to Manning midway through the regular-season finale set the stage for an epic exit in which the NFL's all-time passing yards leader threw for just 141 (with no touchdowns and one interception) in Super Bowl 50 yet still went out a winner.

As dominant as the Denver defense was during a phenomenal playoff run, uncertainty at the sport's marquee position has triggered rampant skepticism about the 2016 Broncos' ability to compete for a repeat title.

"I don't think there's much respect out there," said Denver general manager John Elway, who quarterbacked the franchise to consecutive Super Bowl triumphs in the 1997 and '98 seasons before ending his stellar 16-year playing career. "And a lot of that is [because] when you look at the quarterback position, with the guys that we have, they don't have a lot of (outside) respect, obviously.

"We think a lot more of Mark Sanchez than maybe the public does. [That's from] watching tape on him, and really watching him in Philly last year, and also since he's been here. If you're in New York, they have a tendency to bring the attention to the negative, rather than the positive. And Mark kind of got caught in that rut. We hope we're right. The great thing about camp starting, finally, is we can stop talking about it and see who's gonna come to the forefront."

In other words: While cynics who focus on the end of his Jets tenure may lampoon him for the infamous Butt Fumble, Sanchez is viewed inside the Broncos' locker room as a savvy field general with a firm grip on his responsibilities.

 

"The leadership Mark brings is so important," running back C.J. Anderson said. "He's been there, and he can rally us around him. And then there's the experience. This is not a guy whose head is swimming out there. The game has slowed down for him.

"What people don't understand is that if we do our jobs, his job can be that much easier. We understand that we don't have an Andrew Luck or a Ben Roethlisberger, a guy who the ball has to be in his hands 50 times a game -- but there are other ways to win. We can win as a team, and we're gonna take care of business in all three phases to make the quarterback's life that much better."

Elway and Kubiak insist the competition between Sanchez, Siemian (a 2015 seventh-round pick out of Northwestern) and Lynch (for whom the team traded up to snag with the 26th overall selection in April) is wide open, but Sanchez's experience made him the obvious choice to assume the bulk of the first-team reps, at least in the early stages of training camp.

"Mark comes from a background with West Coast verbiage," Kubiak noted Thursday. "The day we (traded for) him we started talking plays, and we just kind of went from there. He's done some really good things in this league. We're gonna surround him with some really good players and give him a chance to succeed. Now, it's up to him."

He'll have to hold off Siemian, who has earned the respect of teammates by displaying accuracy, athleticism and composure, and Lynch, whose obvious passing talent and draft position make him the team's presumptive quarterback of the future -- but, in fairness, the competition could have been stiffer.

Even after acquiring Sanchez, the Broncos continued to explore a trade for former San Francisco 49ers starter Colin Kaepernick, who'd brought that team to within five yards of a potential Super Bowl XLVII victory over the Baltimore Ravens. In early April, Elway met with Kaepernick in an unsuccessful effort to get the quarterback to reduce his salary, something the team considered a prerequisite for a trade.

In the aftermath of the Super Bowl, Kaepernick's departure from the Niners had been considered such a foregone conclusion by Sanchez that he "expected to end up in San Francisco" (to compete with holdover Blaine Gabbert) before that fateful phone call with Roseman.

 

Once dealt to Denver, Sanchez approached his new gig with an almost maniacal drive, to the point where earlier this month he was able to coax several Broncos receivers into joining him for an early morning workout at USC, his alma mater, before they attended the ESPYs.

"I basically devoted all my (offseason) energy to trying to master the system, getting to know my teammates and getting involved in the community," Sanchez said. "I never want to be in a position 10 or 15 years down the line where I could look back and say, 'Oh man, if I had just done a little more, I could have made it happen ... '

"Especially not this opportunity -- it's a quarterback's dream come true."

Sanchez did allow himself one conspicuous indulgence: Just after the Broncos' offseason program ended in June, he took his mother, Olga, on a trip to Israel.

"It was amazing," Sanchez said. "At one point I got to spend a few hours with the Israeli military, going through some training exercises and even firing weapons. There was a (simulation) where a situation was going down inside a marketplace, and you had to operate under some pretty crazy conditions."

And how was the simulated soldier's aim?

"Pretty good," Sanchez said, smiling. "I was locked in."

Now, on a professional level, it's about to get real.

https://www.nfl.com/news/mark-sanchez-on-broncos-chance-gift-wrapped-from-heaven-0ap3000000677650

[Philc1]

Mark would have ended up the same exact way getting cut a couple years later

[SAR I]

16 minutes ago, slats said:

He was presumptive starter when he arrived in Denver, but dropped like a rock to third string behind NFL luminaries Trevor Siemian and Paxton Lynch. 

Mark Sanchez love on this site should be relegated to PMs between you and @SAR I. 

It's not love; it's deserved respect.  Second-best QB in team history.  And his demise was not his fault; the Jets did nothing to help him improve.  They did the exact opposite, unfortunately.

SAR I

[Philc1]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

He went 10-6, 4-12, then 9-7. Mangini got fired after 9-7, and Rex, in eight years as head coach, only finished better than 9-7 one time. Mangini doesn’t have a job because he ratted out Belichick. 

Mangini doesn’t have a job because he’s failed at everything.  He sucked in Cleveland, sucked here and sucked in San Francisco as a defensive coordinator and tight end coach 

 

Rex had 7 different starters in 2009 including qb and there is zero evidence other than fan conjecture that Mangini was hand selecting all jets draft picks the years prior

 

[Philc1]

23 minutes ago, slats said:

If Mangini wasn't an impossible human being, he'd find work. Being a snitch is just one component of his crappy character. 

I don't believe either of those things about Rex, so you'll have to find another strawman to argue with there, but I don't think he had any interest in working in any capacity other than head coach once he achieved that, which is why he's not working. If he wanted to be Wade Philips or Gregg Williams, I'm very confident that he could. 

Rex could get a DC job today if he wanted to - his problem is he only wants to be a head coach 

 

Mangini can’t get a job as ballboy

 

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

I would take Eric Mangini back today and i would have taken him in a heartbeat over any of our last few clowns/coaches.

In fact I think he would fit with Joe Douglas' philosophy pretty nicely.

With that said some people continue to buy into the Rex Ryan Ponzi scheme even after he was unmasked yet again in Buffalo.  Other people just follow the mantra Patriots fans who feel that they have the right to tell us who we should dislike.

You really really cannot make this stuff up.

Yet somehow 32 nfl franchises want zero to do with the immortal Mangini and his preven umbrella defenses that resulted in Matt Cassell getting a big contract

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

Here you go, @nyjunc, spare me your bull****. 

Mark Sanchez on Broncos chance: Gift-wrapped 'from heaven'

 

It's like yelling at a wall.

JI crumbling was one of the worst things to happen to JN, because it brought us nyjunc.