Jetsfan80 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hex said: Not necessarily. A healthy scratch still has potential for a future. An injury prone player, no matter how good, will never experience the success or consistency of somebody else. Does he though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Does he though He’s injury prone also, though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyT Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 All I ask for is two things from Zach in 2023, don’t speak and hand over your captains patch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Does he though 8 hours ago, jgb said: He’s injury prone also, though Yea, see that’s the catch. He’s in his 2nd season and there’s a lot of room to improve (No matter what all of us geniuses might think, players aren’t out of the league until they are out of the league). Unfortunately for him though he also gets hurt too, so he has to work through both sucking really badly and also getting a 4 week PCL sprain every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, Hex said: Yea, see that’s the catch. He’s in his 2nd season and there’s a lot of room to improve (No matter what all of us geniuses might think, players aren’t out of the league until they are out of the league). Unfortunately for him though he also gets hurt too, so he has to work through both sucking really badly and also getting a 4 week PCL sprain every season. Other than all that, Mrs. Lincoln….how was the play? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 LOL let’s go 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 "Hey Zach, maybe don't throw into triple coverage next time. Also it would be nice if you could complete a screen pass". ... more like ... It's ok Zach ... Just let Zach be Zach ... Cause I ain't got anything else.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 21 hours ago, Dunnie said: Those that are willing to not only cast aside undeniable raw talent, but bash him into oblivion, are clueless. The kid should have red shirted for at least a season. Saleh's mantra of game experience is the best teacher is lazy. No one said Zach was ready or didn't objectively suck.... But the attacks in him because of his youth, upbringing, mom etc etc ... Those have to be called out. No one I can see is saying Zach should start in August. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk You cannot take a kid 2nd overall in the draft and expect he's gonna be babied. Mahomes played at the end of his first year. With the way the cap is, such a QB is playing, sooner rather than later. I think he's bad and will never amount to anything. , But his problems are in large part because he never faced an NFL pass rush at BYU and panics when he does. Only game reps are going to change that. So benching him doesn't do you any good with the major problem he has. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 8:49 AM, SoFlaJets said: Maybe it was Woody's son who was allowed to make the pick, if not, whoever made that choice should never be allowed anywhere NEAR the Jets draft room ever again Yeah because picking ZW 2nd was an out of left field pick that no one saw coming. Let’s rewrite history, Zach wasn’t the consensus 2nd ranked QB. Easier to blame everyone involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Bugg said: You cannot take a kid 2nd overall in the draft and expect he's gonna be babied. Mahomes played at the end of his first year. With the way the cap is, such a QB is playing, sooner rather than later. I think he's bad and will never amount to anything. , But his problems are in large part because he never faced an NFL pass rush at BYU and panics when he does. Only game reps are going to change that. So benching him doesn't do you any good with the major problem he has. Mahomes played in the last game of the season on a playoff team when all was decided and the Chiefs were playing for nothing. Zach’s problems all revolve around his mechanic went to hell. Game reps, replaying sloppy mechanics aren’t going to fix them. Off season work will, if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Mahomes played in the last game of the season on a playoff team when all was decided and the Chiefs were playing for nothing. Zach’s problems all revolve around his mechanic went to hell. Game reps, replaying sloppy mechanics aren’t going to fix them. Off season work will, if possible. Wilson runs backward and doesn't step up in the pocket when he faces a rush. He makes poor decisions and he cannot read defenses. I think he's completely worthless, but simple fact is sitting on the bench was never gonna solve the pass rush issue. Nothing is going to replicate that in practice, and watching it isn't being in it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bugg said: Wilson runs backward and doesn't step up in the pocket when he faces a rush. He makes poor decisions and he cannot read defenses. I think he's completely worthless, but simple fact is sitting on the bench was never gonna solve the pass rush issue. Nothing is going to replicate that in practice, and watching it isn't being in it This year when his mechanics broke down. His confidence is shot, he doesn’t trust what he sees and hesitates. Play breaks down and he’s screwed or he throws late. If you see and recognize where the pressure is coming from, learn the signs you won’t panic when the pressure comes. Sitting and learning to recognize where and how it’s coming would have benefited Zach. He’s a total mess now, that’s for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 50 minutes ago, Bugg said: Wilson runs backward and doesn't step up in the pocket when he faces a rush. He makes poor decisions and he cannot read defenses. I think he's completely worthless, but simple fact is sitting on the bench was never gonna solve the pass rush issue. Nothing is going to replicate that in practice, and watching it isn't being in it sitting on a beach was the HC’s suggestion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 22 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: If you look at any NFL QB's tape from college , you'll find at least one game where they look like you've just described. The fact its being used as evidence that ZW shouldn't have been drafted is rather comical. Completely agree. If the Jets didn't take him at 2, he would have been gone in the next 10 picks. I didn't read one scouting report that didn't have him as an early first rounder. Zach failed miserably but he also had no time to throw and an offensive coordinator who refused to help him. How do you go empty backfleld when you QB gets knocked down by 3 guys in less than 2.5 seconds? That's bad play calling. Tape showed that the timing of 2nd and 3rd options was off. That they were open before Zach was looking there. Move him up to take the snap instead of keeping him in the shotgun or adjust the timing of secondary routes. Again, no adjustment. Zach's footwork was terrible. In 2 years, no improvement. These are all examples of failed effort or no effort at all to develop a QB. Bad footwork and constant pressure cause lots of problems. Getting hit often will create happy feet and throwing off your back foot. It can make you hesitate when throwing or cause you to take your eyes off the play to avoid the rush. Then your confidence is shot and it's over. The Jets will get a veteran QB and spend 2023 trying to do what they failed to do in 2021 and 2022. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Dunnie said: ... more like ... It's ok Zach ... Just let Zach be Zach ... Cause I ain't got anything else. lol what? I thought the whole criticism of MLF was trying to make Zach into something he's not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Bugg said: Wilson runs backward and doesn't step up in the pocket when he faces a rush. He makes poor decisions and he cannot read defenses. I think he's completely worthless, but simple fact is sitting on the bench was never gonna solve the pass rush issue. Nothing is going to replicate that in practice, and watching it isn't being in it All sitting him would have done is give his defenders even MORE excuses. Last year would have been "just his first year as the full-time starter!" so he'd get more time. Sitting a highly drafted QB for an entire year just isn't a thing anymore. I'm fine with sitting him the first 3-6 weeks or whatever, especially since the preseason is now so short under the CBA, but anything more than that is a waste. You have to see a QB when facing live bullets for as much as possible so you can figure out if he's worthy of a 5th-year option by year 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 10 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: LOL let’s go Literally anybody is better than our current QB lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: lol what? I thought the whole criticism of MLF was trying to make Zach into something he's not? The criticism was he didn't have a plan. At least according to our rookie of the year. Plus it was during more than one press conference that ... "let zach be zach" was uttered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Sorry if this point was made already- Do you think John Beck said this after he started to work with Zach Wilson again this offseason? Where is Zach Wilson working out then? With who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 hours ago, varjet said: Sorry if this point was made already- Do you think John Beck said this after he started to work with Zach Wilson again this offseason? Where is Zach Wilson working out then? With who? I think he’ll try to lay low and make those answers hard to find. But I also expect he’s working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Zach will go back to BYU to get that Finance degree! https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-wilson-b23474173 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 10:15 AM, heymangold said: the offense looked 1000x better when anyone not named Zach Wilson was QB. Not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 12:46 PM, Ron Rico said: Ah, the propaganda campaign gets under way. Psy ops to prepare you for Zach's rebirth. JD is counting on all of you to have short memories and accept what is inevitable. This is all Psy Ops. You'll see. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Yeah he does need to reinvent himself—as a full time influencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 JD's plan all along. FOILED AGAIN, JETS FANS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 8:47 AM, Jet Nut said: Let’s rewrite history, Zach wasn’t the consensus 2nd ranked QB. Easier to blame everyone involved. Even if we accept Zach was the consensus 2nd ranked QB (for the sake of argument) that doesn't justify the mistake of taking him Vernon Gholston was the consensus 6th best prospect in the nation and went 6th. So what? it's still a failure of management That's why JD gets paid, to make his own consensus. If Consensus was be-all and end all the Jets could just draft from a magazine they still print magazines, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Zach will be back my brothers ... Can you diiiiig it.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Zach Wilson needs to reinvent himself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Zach Wilson needs to reinvent himself As I was driving the family tonight it occurred to me the Aaron will totally get Zach to try some of this stuff. Book it lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Hal N of Provo said: As I was driving the family tonight it occurred to me the Aaron will totally get Zach to try some of this stuff. Book it lol. We can only hope... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: Zach will be back my brothers ... Can you diiiiig it. GFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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