This Offensive Line stinks

[#27TheDominator]

13 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Noteriously bad was hyperbole, agree.   Doesn't change the point.  They are 32nd in attempts because teams like to run on our D.  They typically overpersue and get gashed in the run game.   The point is Houston completely abandoned the run in bad weather when they're key pass catcher was out because the score dictated it.   The Jets D is outstanding defending the passing game.  The conditions to pass the ball weren't good and the Jets O put them in a huge hole that dictated they abandon the run.   It also caused them to abandon the punt on 4th down.  

Teams in the NFL run to set up the pass.  12th in yards per is a lot less important than 32nd in attempts.  Also a result of not scoring.   Teams are getting enough field position and points running on the Jets to win games.

 

It's not 1978.  Teams don't run to set up the pass anymore.  The Jets are 32nd in attempts against for two reasons.  One:  They are 2nd in almost all pass D metrics and Two:  Their O sucks donkey balls so there is no reason to risk passing the ball against that stellar pass D.  Most teams would just as soon win 15-6 and 45-30.

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

It's not 1978.  Teams don't run to set up the pass anymore.  The Jets are 32nd in attempts against for two reasons.  One:  They are 2nd in almost all pass D metrics and Two:  Their O sucks donkey balls so there is no reason to risk passing the ball against that stellar pass D.  Most teams would just as soon win 15-6 and 45-30.

This is so wrong.  If you don't think teams are running the ball to set up chunk plays in the passing game I don't know what you've been watching.  The best teams in the NFL have the highest percentage of run to pass.  The worst teams are flipped.  

[RevisIsland610]

10 minutes ago, Biggs said:

He doesn't deserve to be fired.  He's drafting to the mean and he's constructed a mediocre team that with a few breaks could easily be in the middle of the playoff hunt.   This is the NFL.  Excellence is hindered by a system that's designed to level the playing field not create an excellent product.   Joe Douglas has shown enough ability to build a team that reverts to the NFL mean in 7 to 10 years. 

7 to10 years? LOL. He's been here 5 years and is 25-54. That's a .316 winning %. His drafts have been mediocre to horrible except 1 despite picking in the top half or in even top 10 nearly every year. He has consistently screwed up the QB and Oline positions. The Jets are a clown show and he is the guy in charge. He absolutely deserves to be fired. 

[#27TheDominator]

15 minutes ago, Biggs said:

This is so wrong.  If you don't think teams are running the ball to set up chunk plays in the passing game I don't know what you've been watching.  The best teams in the NFL have the highest percentage of run to pass.  The worst teams are flipped.  

Well, happy to disagree with this misguided take.  Yes.  The best teams have the highest percentage of run to pass because they are winning and when you are winning you run the ball to kill the clock.  That in no way contradicts what I said.

[Claymation]

2024 NFL mock draft: Matt Miller's Round 1 pick predictions

9. New York Jets (5-8)

Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame

The Jets appear to be all-in on the return of Aaron Rodgers, fixing what ails them most in 2024. But if that's the case, a major upgrade is needed along the offensive line. New York has allowed 55 sacks, third-most in the NFL, and Zach Wilson and Co. have been pressured at the fifth-highest rate (36%).

Alt is a pro-ready starter on the left side with one sack allowed all season. Given the turnstile that has been the Jets' left tackle position, upgrading via the early portion of the first round feels like a must after missing out on the top offensive tackles in the 2023 draft.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39084322/2024-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-predictions-32-picks

[carlito1171]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

Why?  Won't he be ready to go 3 months post injury?

LOL. 

Idk if he's on the Rodgers plan of rehab.....

[Maynard13]

They need to trade back. Grab a QB in round 1 Jayden Daniels then grab an OT - some good ones are there in round 2: Morgan out of Arizona.  

[Claymation]

Daniels could easily go in the 1st 5 picks.

 

[Claymation]

https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/12/12/ny-jets-mekhi-becton-re-sign/

Should the NY Jets re-sign Mekhi Becton in 2024?

The New York Jets have an interesting conversation on their hands with Mekhi Becton

Undoubtedly, the New York Jets’ top priority in the 2024 offseason will be the offensive line. As the Jets aim to make a deep playoff run behind 40-year-old Aaron Rodgers, they will want to ensure their aging veteran quarterback is as well-protected as possible. If the unit replicates its ghastly performance in 2023, Rodgers is in for another short-lived season.

Mekhi Becton will be one of the most important cogs in the Jets’ 2024 offensive line rebuild. The Jets’ 2020 first-round pick is headed for unrestricted free agency following his fourth season in New York, as the Jets declined his fifth-year option. General manager Joe Douglas must decide whether Becton should be a part of the team’s future – and how much money the team is willing to pay him to make that happen.

After missing the Jets’ previous 33 games entering the 2023 season opener, Becton has finally stayed healthy and put an extensive number of reps on film for the Jets to evaluate. Becton has been the Jets’ second-most reliable offensive lineman in 2023 from a durability standpoint, starting 12 of the team’s 13 games. He started at right tackle in the first two games and has been at left tackle over his last 10 starts.

Should the Jets re-sign Becton in 2024? Perhaps even use the franchise tag?

To answer those questions, we have to evaluate how well Becton has performed in 2023. That’s what we are here to do today.

[ylekram]

6 hours ago, Claymation said:

https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/12/12/ny-jets-mekhi-becton-re-sign/

Should the NY Jets re-sign Mekhi Becton in 2024?

The New York Jets have an interesting conversation on their hands with Mekhi Becton

Undoubtedly, the New York Jets’ top priority in the 2024 offseason will be the offensive line. As the Jets aim to make a deep playoff run behind 40-year-old Aaron Rodgers, they will want to ensure their aging veteran quarterback is as well-protected as possible. If the unit replicates its ghastly performance in 2023, Rodgers is in for another short-lived season.

Mekhi Becton will be one of the most important cogs in the Jets’ 2024 offensive line rebuild. The Jets’ 2020 first-round pick is headed for unrestricted free agency following his fourth season in New York, as the Jets declined his fifth-year option. General manager Joe Douglas must decide whether Becton should be a part of the team’s future – and how much money the team is willing to pay him to make that happen.

After missing the Jets’ previous 33 games entering the 2023 season opener, Becton has finally stayed healthy and put an extensive number of reps on film for the Jets to evaluate. Becton has been the Jets’ second-most reliable offensive lineman in 2023 from a durability standpoint, starting 12 of the team’s 13 games. He started at right tackle in the first two games and has been at left tackle over his last 10 starts.

Should the Jets re-sign Becton in 2024? Perhaps even use the franchise tag?

To answer those questions, we have to evaluate how well Becton has performed in 2023. That’s what we are here to do today.

Becton is a sh*tty left tackle, adequate right tackle, but would be a multi year pro bowl guard. stepping backwards isn't his thing. pushing forward is where he dominates

[Claymation]

Becton getting manhandled by a guy who is 100 lbs lighter is sad.

[football guy]

Updated list of offensive linemen to miss time this year... 

• Alijah Vera-Tucker (starting RG/RT): missed 8 games; out for season 
• Connor McGovern (starting C): missed 6 games; out for season 
• Duane Brown (starting LT---backup OL): missed 8 games
• Mekhi Becton (starting RT/LT): missed 1 game
• Wes Schweitzer (backup C/G---starting G): missed 7 games; out for season 
• Carter Warren (backup T---starting T): missed 9 games
• Billy Turner (backup T/G--starting T/G): missed 3 games 
• Joe Tippmann (backup C/G---starting C): missed 1 game

Tomlinson hasn't missed any time; Mitchell hasn't missed any games due to injury. 

Wild. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

Tag Becton.  Sign Trent Brown and Zeitler

[Rich Thornburgh]

21 hours ago, football guy said:

Updated list of offensive linemen to miss time this year... 

• Alijah Vera-Tucker (starting RG/RT): missed 8 games; out for season 
• Connor McGovern (starting C): missed 6 games; out for season 
• Duane Brown (starting LT---backup OL): missed 8 games
• Mekhi Becton (starting RT/LT): missed 1 game
• Wes Schweitzer (backup C/G---starting G): missed 7 games; out for season 
• Carter Warren (backup T---starting T): missed 9 games
• Billy Turner (backup T/G--starting T/G): missed 3 games 
• Joe Tippmann (backup C/G---starting C): missed 1 game

Tomlinson hasn't missed any time; Mitchell hasn't missed any games due to injury. 

Wild. 

Everyone hyperventilating about Becton being injury prone what about AVT?  Nice player but he’s glass.

[toonman 88]

its nice to see this site is finally realizing the line is complete sh*t and has been all yr! hard to pass and run with this bunch. 

[Dunnie]

Jets need either Alt or Fashanu at the top of next years draft to solidify the LT position. The only way I as GM don't draft either one of them is if MH Jr. is available when we pick. Outside of him, LT is my first draft pick.

I agree... I would trade anything to get Alt. He is the most valuable player in the draft for the Jets.



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[Dunnie]

its nice to see this site is finally realizing the line is complete sh*t and has been all yr! hard to pass and run with this bunch. 

This year ?? This year ??? Where you been the past 3 years.

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[Flashlite80]

I couldn't agree more.  The problem is we have a GM, who has now rebuilt the line 4 times and is the owner of the worst offensive line each year.  We have spent as much draft capital and free agent money as any team , with the worst results repeatedly.  Do you want this guy rebuilding it a 5th time?  Zach had a great day and still, the offensive line failed repeatedly.  We score 30 points in a half and our QB is still under constant pressure and we can't run the ball against a tiring defense.

We need a GM who can identify offensive line talent.   I think Tippman is our center.  I think Vera Tucker should be planted at LG.  He has been injured at tackle each year.  Warren and Mitchell should play.  We need to determine if either can be an answer.  Maybe move them inside to guard.  Let Becton Walk.  Cut Tomlinson, Turner and Davis. 

If we clean house of the dead wood, we have tons of cap.  Sign two tackles and a guard and draft 2 lineman.  If a top QB is there, we should take him and sit him behind Rodgers.  A QB turns a team faster than any position and Rodgers will be 41.

[Flashlite80]

On 12/10/2023 at 6:43 PM, Jdeet said:

If we only had a QB that can get the ball out of his hands or scramble and make plays, to make up for a bad OL. Oh wait....😁

Rodgers has the quickest release in the league and lasted 4 plays.  Zach scored 30 points in a half and was still under constant pressure.  Zach got rid of the ball very quick.  He still got sacked several times and used his speed to get away from the rush.   We couldn't even run against a tired defense late in the game.

To say the line sucks is completely inadequate.  Nobody could succeed behind that line.  It is a blessing that we stink so bad that Rodgers won't come back.  He is a pocket passer with no chance behind that line.

 

[football guy]

 

Sad state of affairs

[Barton]

Who are we to say as fans from a distance but it really looks like a unit that has received zero coaching. Just clueless out there. 

 

[Claymation]

That's 34 pressures, it's impressive when you think about it.

[DonCorleone]

On 12/10/2023 at 6:31 PM, Claymation said:

I don’t know who is worse, Mekhi or Tomlinson. 
outside of Tippman I would get a whole new OL. 

In other words, Fire Joe Douglas. 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Claymation said:

That's 34 pressures, it's impressive when you think about it.

Clearly a systemic issue and not specific to any one player.  

[Charlie Brown]

On 12/10/2023 at 6:31 PM, Claymation said:

I don’t know who is worse, Mekhi or Tomlinson. 
outside of Tippman I would get a whole new OL. 

And yet after yesterday folks are still defending them and deflecting on to others. It is a joke!

[OilfieldJet]

On 12/10/2023 at 6:45 PM, Lith said:

13 different starters this season.  No team can go 13 deep on the OL:

1. Becton
2. Tomlinson
3. Brown
4. AVT
5. McGovern
6. Tippman
7. Newman
8. Schweitzer
9. Glaser
10. Mitchell
11. Turner
12. Warren
13. Hanson

 

Stop your list at #6. Are any of the next 7 NFL caliber? Are any injured? The backups sucked. Depending on Becton and Brown was delusional. No way they (JD) gets a pass because of injuries.

[Claymation]

 

[jetsman]

On 12/16/2023 at 8:54 AM, Rich Thornburgh said:

Tag Becton.  Sign Trent Brown and Zeitler

disagree , he is almost as bad as Wayne Hunter at this point , you can get better in FA

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, Claymation said:

 

saleh distancing himself from the bad ol play, not taking responsibility for that

[Claymation]

 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Claymation said:

 

probably telling rodgers to go to woody and get this fixed

[Claymation]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

saleh distancing himself from the bad ol play, not taking responsibility for that

He is responsible for it. He hired Carter and Hackett.

The scheme they are using, clearly isn't working.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Claymation said:

He is responsible for it. He hired Carter and Hackett.

The scheme they are using, clearly isn't working.

yes but it's not as if saleh said it's on me to get this fixed, did he?

[Claymation]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

yes but it's not as if saleh said it's on me to get this fixed, did he?

I have no idea what he said, but the buck stop with him.

[varjet]

The OL issues are as much scheme, coaching and strength training as they are the players.   We can’t build a house on a bad foundation.  

Remember Parcells’ first press conference when he laid out the binders of injury reports from the prior year?   JD was supposed to have fixed this.  The best thing this team can do to improve is to bring in a bad a** strength trainer like John Lott or Sal Alosi.   Woody needs to write the check to do that.  There are guys at LSA, Alabama, Clemson who would take that job for big money.