Caleb Williams hasn’t filed for the draft yet and could be planning an Elway/Eli-like power move

[T0mShane]

 

[T0mShane]

Summary: Kahler asked Caleb’s dad why he hasn’t submitted the paperwork yet and the dad referred her to the publicist who had no comment. Williams hasn’t hired an agent yet. Kahler confirms the report that Williams wanted equity in the team he gets drafted to. 

[T0mShane]

Worth noting: Stephen Ross was rumored to have offered Tom Brady equity in the Dolphins during the failed Brady-Payton package deal they had in place before McDaniel was hired. Caleb Williams has previously said that the NFL team he’d most like to play for is the Miami Dolphins.

[T0mShane]

 

[Guilhermezmc]

Call me crazy but im really not that high in this guy, running around for 10 seconds before throwing the ball is not something that will translate to the NFL and that seems to be his biggest calling card.

[derp]

I don't entirely understand the purpose unless he's angling for a trade before the deadline or just making it clear he's going to be difficult. Doesn't seem like a good plan.

[jvill 51]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Summary: Kahler asked Caleb’s dad why he hasn’t submitted the paperwork yet and the dad referred her to the publicist who had no comment. Williams hasn’t hired an agent yet. Kahler confirms the report that Williams wanted equity in the team he gets drafted to. 

 

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Worth noting: Stephen Ross was rumored to have offered Tom Brady equity in the Dolphins during the failed Brady-Payton package deal they had in place before McDaniel was hired. Caleb Williams has previously said that the NFL team he’d most like to play for is the Miami Dolphins.

Pretty sure the NFL officially banned giving players equity this past summer

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, derp said:

I don't entirely understand the purpose unless he's angling for a trade before the deadline or just making it clear he's going to be difficult. Doesn't seem like a good plan.

He’s a little extreme and will probably look to pick his spot. Possible he just wants to ensure that he ends up in Washington, where he’s from, but I guess I can sympathize with a management group trying to save him from a bad situation. 

https://www.gq.com/story/caleb-williams-profile

[Lith]

The other variable here is NIL.  He may be able to make as much or more money staying in school than he would earn in his first year of a rookie contract.

On the other hand, this is the only year when he can use the leverage of staying in school to try to force a trade.  

Will be interesting to watch this one play out.

[derp]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

He’s a little extreme and will probably look to pick his spot. Possible he just wants to ensure that he ends up in Washington, where he’s from, but I guess I can sympathize with a management group trying to save him from a bad situation. 

https://www.gq.com/story/caleb-williams-profile

Oh more given the deadline is Monday he basically has to get his bluff called so I don’t know what expressing this position now does for his negotiating power.

Just enter the draft now and say it later. Or go back to school.

[chirorob]

9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Summary: Kahler asked Caleb’s dad why he hasn’t submitted the paperwork yet and the dad referred her to the publicist who had no comment. Williams hasn’t hired an agent yet. Kahler confirms the report that Williams wanted equity in the team he gets drafted to. 

Rookie contracts are slotted.

How can he want equity as a rookie

[Barry McCockinner]

 

[JustInFudge]

weird flex for a granted future bust 

[JustInFudge]

34 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

Ie: I’m a huge pussy and this is red flag #1

[Matt39]

He should go to the nba 

[Barry McCockinner]

8 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

Ie: I’m a huge pussy and this is red flag #1

Peyton Manning

https://horseshoeheroes.com/2021/11/27/colts-peyton-manning-screwed-jets-manningcast/

Quote

Due to either a fear of playing for the Jets or a chance to solidify himself as the No.1. pick in 1998, Manning decided to go back to Tennessee for his senior season. That decision sent ripples throughout the NFL that are still being felt to this day.

Eli Manning

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-finally-reveals-why-he-refused-to-play-for-chargers-after-they-took-him-with-the-top-pick-in-2004/

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"It was my decision having talked with my agent, coaches, [general managers] and owners," Manning said. "Going through the draft process, I was just worried about the Chargers organization at the time. I felt it was the right decision and I had a little pull. I quietly tried to say 'Hey, please don't draft me, it can be our secret,' and they didn't keep the secret part very well."

John Elway

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1614794-john-elways-controversial-draft-day-saga-relived-in-espns-30-for-30-special

Quote

He didn't want to play for the Colts—a team that hadn't had success for quite some time—and had warned the team not to select him with the first overall pick. 

 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Peyton Manning

https://horseshoeheroes.com/2021/11/27/colts-peyton-manning-screwed-jets-manningcast/

Eli Manning

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-finally-reveals-why-he-refused-to-play-for-chargers-after-they-took-him-with-the-top-pick-in-2004/

John Elway

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1614794-john-elways-controversial-draft-day-saga-relived-in-espns-30-for-30-special

 

More the crying and the nail polish I’d guess

[JustInFudge]

14 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Peyton Manning

https://horseshoeheroes.com/2021/11/27/colts-peyton-manning-screwed-jets-manningcast/

Eli Manning

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-finally-reveals-why-he-refused-to-play-for-chargers-after-they-took-him-with-the-top-pick-in-2004/

John Elway

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1614794-john-elways-controversial-draft-day-saga-relived-in-espns-30-for-30-special

 

You're going to have to explain to me how a 5'10 pip squeak who cant beat good teams, shrinks in the big moment, lost 5 of his last 6 collegiate games and quite frankly sucks, compares to Elway who is arguably the greatest prospect of all time and NFL royalty like the Manning's.  Especially considering the fact he's not even guaranteed to go ahead of Drake Maye. 

[Barry McCockinner]

42 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

You're going to have to explain to me how a 5'10 pip squeak who cant beat good teams, shrinks in the big moment, lost 5 of his last 6 collegiate games and quite frankly sucks, compares to Elway who is arguably the greatest prospect of all time and NFL royalty like the Manning's.  Especially considering the fact he's not even guaranteed to go ahead of Drake Maye. 

I mean you're kind of moving the goal posts here. Your opinion on him as a prospect is fine but others do regard him in the same conversation as these guys. There was debate about Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning at #1 overall. 

There is precedent for this type of move for a QB projected at the top of the draft. I disagree that it's a red flag and makes him a huge pussy. 

[JustInFudge]

53 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I mean you're kind of moving the goal posts here. Your opinion on him as a prospect is fine but others do regard him in the same conversation as these guys. There was debate about Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning at #1 overall. 

There is precedent for this type of move for a QB projected at the top of the draft. I disagree that it's a red flag and makes him a huge pussy. 

Fair, I can see how that is the impression but I thought he was a future bust, huge pussy, w/ red flags prior to this report so this just made it worse, IMO because no where on earth, is he in the same conversation as these dudes.  Nobody has him in that conversation, not sure where you're getting that from, he's a highly flawed and tiny.

And I dont know how you could say there is a precedent.  It happened 3 times in how many years of the draft?  Once w/ Elway which was somewhat unique because of his baseball desires and then the Manning's, who are NFL royalty and technically, nothing happened w/ Peyton.  That's it.  Williams, doesnt have near the pedigree, nor the generational label to pull this flex move.

 

[Barry McCockinner]

46 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

Fair, I can see how that is the impression but I thought he was a future bust, huge pussy, w/ red flags prior to this report so this just made it worse, IMO because no where on earth, is he in the same conversation as these dudes.  Nobody has him in that conversation, not sure where you're getting that from, he's a highly flawed and tiny.

And I dont know how you could say there is a precedent.  It happened 3 times in how many years of the draft?  Once w/ Elway which was somewhat unique because of his baseball desires and then the Manning's, who are NFL royalty and technically, nothing happened w/ Peyton.  That's it.  Williams, doesnt have near the pedigree, nor the generational label to pull this flex move.

 

precedent just means it has happened before, not that it's happened a lot.

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/caleb-williams-peyton-manning-nfl-draft-prospects-trevor-lawrence-joe-burrow-bryce-young

Former vikings GM Rick Spielman 

 

[JustInFudge]

8 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

precedent just means it has happened before, not that it's happened a lot.

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/caleb-williams-peyton-manning-nfl-draft-prospects-trevor-lawrence-joe-burrow-bryce-young

Former vikings GM Rick Spielman 

 

I stand corrected, Rick Speilman, former Lions GM, has this silly opinion.

 

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

I stand corrected, Rick Speilman, former Lions GM, has this silly opinion.

 

I mean the guy has been an executive and scout in the NFL for a while. We're not talking about some dork with a blog and a youtube channel.

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I mean the guy has been an executive and scout in the NFL for a while. We're not talking about some dork with a blog and a youtube channel.

That's fine but I could give 2 sh*ts what his credentials are to validate his insane opinion.  These guys are idiots and get it wrong all the time. This particular idiot drafted Christian Ponder 12th overall. 

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

That's fine but I could give 2 sh*ts what his credentials are to validate his insane opinion.  These guys are idiots and get it wrong all the time. This particular idiot drafted Christian Ponder 12th overall. 

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Just showing an example of him being considered that type of prospect.

I have a much higher opinion of Caleb than you do but would never say he's a better prospect than Peyton Manning like Spielman did.

Drafting a bust at 12 overall doesn't invalidate your ability to evaluate QBs IMO. People draft bust QBs in the first all the time. Small sample size of 1 there and I doubt he was comparing Ponder to Manning & Elway.

[derp]

Him going to Washington makes sense. Imagine if the Bears can get a haul from the Commanders and drop one spot. They’ll build a dynasty just moving off #1 picks.

[bonkertons]

I really hope he declares, if only just so we don't get ****ed.  If he's not in the draft, everyone else bumps up a spot.  It's not like Penix would suddenly be a top-3 pick.  Right now there's a chance one of Odunze, Bowers, or a LT will be there at 10.  A pretty good chance IMO, and it will most likely be one of the receivers.  If there's no Caleb, there's probably no chance we get one of these guys.  It's pretty much a lock it'll be Fuaga at that point.  

 

All that said, I'll be shocked if he doesn't declare.

[SickJetFan]

This is starting to sound like the drama from last year and Stroud.  No way he does supplemental and no way he does not declare and USC already have their heir apparent.

[Lupz27]

On 1/12/2024 at 1:34 PM, T0mShane said:

 

This kid is the next franchise ruining highly drafted QB..

If I recall equity is not allowed for a player.

I am still of the belief that Rodgers has a side deal for equity in the Jets when he does retire though.

[SickJetFan]

On 1/14/2024 at 8:05 AM, SickJetFan said:

This is starting to sound like the drama from last year and Stroud.  No way he does supplemental and no way he does not declare and USC already have their heir apparent.

and there you have it

Like he had a choice

[JustInFudge]

15 hours ago, SickJetFan said:

and there you have it

Like he had a choice

Yeah, this is starting to become a silly thing every year now for the favorite QB to go #1.  Remember when Lawrence was going to pull a flex on the Jets and/or Jags?   Was never going to happen w/ for a 5'10 pip squeak who holds the ball for 10 minutes and runs around like a headless chicken before throwing the ball up in the general direction of a receiver like it's a game of five hundred. 

[JustInFudge]

Pretty wild though, if some team wants to set their franchise back 5 years and take Caleb Williams at #1, that will be the third 1st overall pick that Lincoln Riley has coached...that has to be a record for a college coach.  

[maury77]

I understand Caleb Williams ended the year on a down note and I've had concerns about his ability to play in structure, but to call him a guaranteed bust is over the top IMO. The kid dominated college football since he stepped on the field at OU. 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

I understand Caleb Williams ended the year on a down note and I've had concerns about his ability to play in structure, but to call him a guaranteed bust is over the top IMO. The kid dominated college football since he stepped on the field at OU. 

I'm going to stick to guaranteed bust, my friend because there is nothing, absolutely nothing about his game that translates.  He's so ridiculously flawed it's incredible.  It's Zach Wilson all over again but even smaller and w/ worse mechanics, worse tendencies and even stronger passion for holding the ball, forever!  Literally, I've never seen a college Football QB hold the ball for as long as he does. 

Series question - how did he "dominate" college Football, in your estimation? What did he win of significance to become "dominant", other than an individual trophy?  What was his big calling card game that you can point your finger at and say, see, dude has it?  What was his big win, when did his team exceed expectations and/or USC win in an upset?  Because I'm going to respectfully disagree that a QB who loses to Tulane in a Bowl game, is 0-3 vs. Utah, and lost his last 5 of 6 starts, is not a dominate figure in college Football.

 

[HighPitch]

See this is the kind of crap the nfl needs to crack down on