The 'Mangini in Year 2' Disussion Thread

[SouthernJet]

So what do y'all think we will see fom Eric in Year 2?

Thoughts?

• 3-4 vs 4-3 usage.
  
• will we see more wide open Offensive football with Jones , or will we play the kill the clock more wit ha reliable RB?
  
• Kickoffs? Will we fix that awful field position we get from Nugents short kicks?
  
• Will we blitz more?
  
• Who will lose their jobs and who is pretty safe?

[mangenious420]

So what do y'all think we will see fom Eric in Year 2?

Thoughts?

• 3-4 vs 4-3 usage.
  
• will we see more wide open Offensive football with Jones , or will we play the kill the clock more wit ha reliable RB?
  
• Kickoffs? Will we fix that awful field position we get from Nugents short kicks?
  
• Will we blitz more?
  
• Who will lose their jobs and who is pretty safe?

.. I'm finally starting to get used to this 3-4. Though I would like to see Vilma adapt to it a little better this year.

.. I think we'll play more of the kill the clock type of offense, with a proven back like Jones. But then again Shotty doesn't seem like the type to be to predictable.

.. Nuge better improve. I'm tired of teams starting off at the 30 yard line and beyond.

.. I don't know if the question is will we blitz more or, when we blitz are we actually going to be able to get within 5 yards of the qb. (Pats playoff game Brady wasen't touched)

.. *waits for someone to fill in the blank with Chadwick*

[SouthernJet]

.. .. Nuge better improve. I'm tired of teams starting off at the 30 yard line and beyond.

man, i agree 100%,,

as Lou Saban would say 'He's killing us Whitey, he's killing us'

[nj meadowlands]

man, i agree 100%,,

as Lou Saban would say 'He's killing us Whitey, he's killing us'

The Jets were in the top 5 in limiting opponents starting field position on kickoffs... care to explain your position?

[ECURB]

The Jets were in the top 5 in limiting opponents starting field position on kickoffs... care to explain your position?

Owned? lol

Yeah Nuge's kicks were actually working becuase they were high enough to let our ST guys get down there to make the play... it helps that we have speedy guys like BSmith running down there too...

I dont think Kick Offs are as important as a lot of us think they are...

I think Mangini will continue to use the 3-4 and also mix in everything else like he was...

I think Jones will open up the play action for the JETS quite a bit, now I dont know how well Clemens can run play action so I say that based on Chad being the starter...

I think they will blitz more now that the players have a year in the system and both the players and the coaches will be more comfortable with blitzing...

I think J-mac might lose his job to Brad Smith.

[leviot]

I just hope Schotty won't start getting all consevative now that we have Jones. I like the way he called plays last year (for the most part), and I'd like to see the same creative play-calling this year. I'd like to see Brad Smith throw the ball a few times.

Obviously, there are certain game-situations where it's good to get conservative, like when you're protecting a big lead,but other than that I'd like to see a wide-open offense (as much as possible with Penny at QB). Not only b/c it's more entertaining, but b/c it will win us alot of games.

[jetophile]

man, i agree 100%,,

as Lou Saban would say 'He's killing us Whitey, he's killing us'

I didn't know George Jefferson posted here. Oh, wait, that's honky.

That was funny show, man. What was this thread about again? I'm so...unfocused today. Not enough coffee.

[SteveO]

Hey guys this is my first post here on Jet Nation. I have been floating around the forums for the last couple of weeks and decided to start throwing my opinions in.

• As for the defense, I think that we are going to see a much better unit this year. Especially towards the end of the year. Last year this defense made significant improvement as the year went on. Hopefully they pick up some linemen that are better suited to play in this scheme which would help out Vilma tremendously.
  
• For the offense, I feel that we are going to see the same approach to each game that we saw this prior year. Now that Barlow if finally gone, thank god I hate that guy, they will have a better running game that will help out Chad.
  
• The kickoff are definately something that needs to be addressed. What happened to Nugent working with Mare, it was reported last year that this was supposed to happen, to help his distance on his kickoffs? I like Nugent as a field goal kicker and he showed this year that he can make some good kicks, but the kickoff is concern. This should be addressed and help the improvement of the defense.
  
• While we saw that blitzing made an improvement on the defense last year I think that blitzing schemes will be put in week to week depending on the plan for that week. We should see something new every week. Don't expect Rhodes to come in as freely as he did this year.
  
• As for losing jobs I think that everyone here will agree that Kimo has lost his starting role and hopefully some one beats out Poteat for the corner. I think that Chad is safe at the QB position for now. Though I would like to see Clemens at least challenge him in the preseason for the job. But with a better running game and hopefully a better oline in front of him its hard to bet against Chad. Mangini likes him for his intelligence and leadership, something that will probally take Clemens at least another year to catch up on.

[leviot]

I think J-mac might lose his job to Brad Smith.

That would be nice if he could actually beat him out in camp. I never quite liked J-mac, always seemed like a 'soft' player to me.

[ECURB]

Welcome to the site SteveO, good first post keep it up and post away...

[jetophile]

That would be nice if he could actually beat him out in camp. I never quite liked J-mac, always seemed like a 'soft' player to me.

Not mentally tough, I thought. Never fought for balls, really. "That's going to be intercepted? OK, I'll just watch." "Trying to take the ball out of my hands. OK, here, you can have it. Hell, I don't want it." Type of player that was always on the cusp but never broke through. I think 2005 ruined him.

[leviot]

Not mentally tough, I thought. Never fought for balls, really. "That's going to be intercepted? OK, I'll just watch." "Trying to take the ball out of my hands. OK, here, you can have it. Hell, I don't want it." Type of player that was always on the cusp but never broke through. I think 2005 ruined him.

lmao. Exactly.

[joewilly]

Hey guys this is my first post here on Jet Nation. I have been floating around the forums for the last couple of weeks and decided to start throwing my opinions in.

• As for the defense, I think that we are going to see a much better unit this year. Especially towards the end of the year. Last year this defense made significant improvement as the year went on. Hopefully they pick up some linemen that are better suited to play in this scheme which would help out Vilma tremendously.
  
• For the offense, I feel that we are going to see the same approach to each game that we saw this prior year. Now that Barlow if finally gone, thank god I hate that guy, they will have a better running game that will help out Chad.
  
• The kickoff are definately something that needs to be addressed. What happened to Nugent working with Mare, it was reported last year that this was supposed to happen, to help his distance on his kickoffs? I like Nugent as a field goal kicker and he showed this year that he can make some good kicks, but the kickoff is concern. This should be addressed and help the improvement of the defense.
  
• While we saw that blitzing made an improvement on the defense last year I think that blitzing schemes will be put in week to week depending on the plan for that week. We should see something new every week. Don't expect Rhodes to come in as freely as he did this year.
  
• As for losing jobs I think that everyone here will agree that Kimo has lost his starting role and hopefully some one beats out Poteat for the corner. I think that Chad is safe at the QB position for now. Though I would like to see Clemens at least challenge him in the preseason for the job. But with a better running game and hopefully a better oline in front of him its hard to bet against Chad. Mangini likes him for his intelligence and leadership, something that will probally take Clemens at least another year to catch up on.

great 1st post steve0..... one thing though. the average age of a jetnation poster is 76 ( only the ny giants fansites have a higher average than jn.)

its an age where you forget stuff. stuff like wear you put your reading glasses. I ask on behalf of the fellow old geezers that you increase the font size when posting.

[joewilly]

Owned? lol

Yeah Nuge's kicks were actually working becuase they were high enough to let our ST guys get down there to make the play... it helps that we have speedy guys like BSmith running down there too...

I dont think Kick Offs are as important as a lot of us think they are...

I think Mangini will continue to use the 3-4 and also mix in everything else like he was...

I think Jones will open up the play action for the JETS quite a bit, now I dont know how well Clemens can run play action so I say that based on Chad being the starter...

I think they will blitz more now that the players have a year in the system and both the players and the coaches will be more comfortable with blitzing...

I think J-mac might lose his job to Brad Smith.

great post ecurb.

I didn't think about the height of his kicks, while short, helping. maybe we ended up in the top 5 but that was thanks to some amazing solo tackles by speedsters getting there with solid tackling moreso than nugents kicking ability.

I pray & highly doubt the offense gets too conservative beacuse of the addition of thomas jones. I also don't think we need to go too crazy on gadget plays either.

defense has a lot of room for improvement imo & I hope we get 1 stud minimum defensly out of the draft.

this group loves brad smith & we should see a lot more of him. what a special teamer he is. imagine getting another one of him racing down the other side?

[SteveO]

great 1st post steve0..... one thing though. the average age of a jetnation poster is 76 ( only the ny giants fansites have a higher average than jn.)

its an age where you forget stuff. stuff like wear you put your reading glasses. I ask on behalf of the fellow old geezers that you increase the font size when posting.

Not a problem. I'm sure there will be a time were all of you can mock me for not knowing things cause I'm a youngin.

[ECURB]

Not a problem. I'm sure there will be a time were all of you can mock me for not knowing things cause I'm a youngin.

Just a word of advice from us younger less blind JetNation members... the regular font is fine... he was talking about your extra small font... lol

[Pragmatic Bus]

i dont care if we get bad field position as long as nuge doesn't miss field goals. specially game winning (like the one against miami in the last game of the season monday night rainy conditions final chance to make the playoffs) pressure kicks

[faba]

The importance of field position is lost sometimes- when you have to drive 80 yards for a score instead of 60 it makes a big difference. Look at the Jets last year- we were by no means a explosive offense- losing field position was vital to us.

[Pragmatic Bus]

you guys want your cake and want to eat it too. nuge is just fine. the jets defence ranked in the top 6 in points allowed. i'm not worried about the field position. what worries me is that we dont have a game breaking threat. we need a playmaker. wether on defence or offence.

possible gamebreakers in the draft both defense and offense

calvin johnson

adrian peterson

ted gin jr

adam carriker

laron landry

jarvis moss

chris houston

brandon merriweather

greg olsen

robert meachem

these guys are game changers. they can shift the momentum of the game in your favor just like that:superman:

[JohnnyLV]

Jones and Washington will split carries almost 50/50 during the year

Clemens will be starter by years end

[SouthernJet]

The importance of field position is lost sometimes- when you have to drive 80 yards for a score instead of 60 it makes a big difference. Look at the Jets last year- we were by no means a explosive offense- losing field position was vital to us.

Thank you.

It would be nice to have some touchbacks and 3 and outs and get the ball back on the 35 or 40.

[124]

So what do y'all think we will see fom Eric in Year 2?

Thoughts?

• 3-4 vs 4-3 usage.
  
• will we see more wide open Offensive football with Jones , or will we play the kill the clock more wit ha reliable RB?
  
• Kickoffs? Will we fix that awful field position we get from Nugents short kicks?
  
• Will we blitz more?
  
• Who will lose their jobs and who is pretty safe?

- We've already begun the 34, it's best to just stick with it.

- There won't be as much passing as there was last season with a reliable guy like Jones taking the ball 15-25 times a game and Washington another 5-10 times.

- As 80 said earlier, the Jets were in the Top 5 in limiting opponents starting field position on kickoffs... Nugent is here to kick field goal's anyways and most of the time his kicks were reaching inside the 10, so he had a few bad games, everybody does.

- The only way we blitz more is if we get a legit #2 corner to pair with Dyson. If Justin Miller or Hank Poteat is back there starting then the blitzing game will probably be the same.

- Losing their job: Possibly Eric Barton (could be released before camp) and Cedric Houston will no longer be the #2 back when healthy, obviously. Other then that, we'll see. Oh, and, Erik Coleman could lose his job to Eric Smith.

[joewilly]

a few bad games? kickers of all people should be the model of consistency.

as I say if westhoff has him giving up yardage in order to kick it higher (which I doubt) then he gets a pass, otherwise a strong leg has to be taken into consideration when choosing a kicker

[124]

a few bad games? kickers of all people should be the model of consistency.

as I say if westhoff has him giving up yardage in order to kick it higher (which I doubt) then he gets a pass, otherwise a strong leg has to be taken into consideration when choosing a kicker

Kickoffs:yawn:

Field Goals:yahoo:

As long as he continues to only miss 3 FG's a year (only 1 after opening day) he can continue to be decent on KO's in my book, especially when we are in the Top 5 in giving up starting position on KO's.

[L.I.MikeBleedsGreen]

Let us not forget about J-crap, I say he doesn't make it pass Camp as well.

[gang_green03]

Kickoffs:yawn:

Field Goals:yahoo:

As long as he continues to only miss 3 FG's a year (only 1 after opening day) he can continue to be decent on KO's in my book, especially when we are in the Top 5 in giving up starting position on KO's.

Completely agree. Field goal kicking is the most important aspect of his position. I don't care if he's average on KO's if he's putting points on the board. It'd be nice if he was getting touchbacks everytime, but its not a huge deal, especially when we're Top 5 in opponents starting position anyway.

[Mentos]

So what do y'all think we will see fom Eric in Year 2?

Thoughts?

• 3-4 vs 4-3 usage.
  
• will we see more wide open Offensive football with Jones , or will we play the kill the clock more wit ha reliable RB?
  
• Kickoffs? Will we fix that awful field position we get from Nugents short kicks?
  
• Will we blitz more?
  
• Who will lose their jobs and who is pretty safe?

3-4

Hopefully, the Jets will run more plays than their opponents. The less I have to see the Jets defense on the field, the better.

Nugent's not going to get much better. The Jets could use a roster spot on a kickoff specialist. I would not go that route, m'self.

The Jets will probably not blitz as often.

Pennington will lose his job at some point unless he plays better than he did in 2006. Poteat, von Oelhoffen, Barton, Coleman, and Moore could lose their starting jobs or jobs, period.

[SteveO]

3-4

Hopefully, the Jets will run more plays than their opponents. The less I have to see the Jets defense on the field, the better.

Nugent's not going to get much better. The Jets could use a roster spot on a kickoff specialist. I would not go that route, m'self.

The Jets will probably not blitz as often.

Pennington will lose his job at some point unless he plays better than he did in 2006. Poteat, von Oelhoffen, Barton, Coleman, and Moore could lose their starting jobs or jobs, period.

Lets hope so at least. Poteat was not good at all and von Oelhoffen I don't think ever showed up. Barton was eh. Hopefully Coleman can start performing the way he did is rookie year. Hopefully if Moore is not replaced that a year of building chemistry with the rest of the line helps out.

[drago]

Lets hope so at least. Poteat was not good at all and von Oelhoffen I don't think ever showed up. Barton was eh. Hopefully Coleman can start performing the way he did is rookie year. Hopefully if Moore is not replaced that a year of building chemistry with the rest of the line helps out.

everyone is so hard on barton, he could have been our best linebacker last year. definatly was the best at stuffing the run. if anything we should be looking for someone to put beside the man, not take him out of the game.

Losing their job....brandon moore. make him a swing man, get blalock in here.