Smizzy Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Jeez...whoelse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Jeezuz Fu ck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Call up Hughes for Thursday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Jeez...whoelse? Do not worry. Madmike says the Yanks have excellent starting pitching depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Boy do we need Wang back. As it stands, Darrell Rasner is now our #3 with Kei Igawa as the #2. At least with Wang, Igawa as the 3 isn't that bad, but Rasner as the 3 is. I wonder who gets called up, could it be Hughes? That would be pretty interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mark Prior for ARod. Take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Chase Wright is gonna be DIRTTTYYYYYYYY. Can't wait for this kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mark Prior for ARod. Take it or leave it. Zambrano for A-Rod and you've got a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Zambrano for A-Rod and you've got a deal. How about we sign Victor Zambrano and trade him for Phillip Hughes? Wait, nevermind. That would be ****ing retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Pavano is no surprise. Figured it would happen sooner or later. Mussina will be back in two weeks. The only thing that sucks is theBoSox are this weekend. We need something strong for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Do not worry. Madmike says the Yanks have excellent starting pitching depth. The Yanks have several options to go to that will probably get them a quality start and this is aside from Wang throwing five hitless the other day. The Yankee rotation will be fine IMO. As I said in a thread a few days ago, I'm actually quite happy about the chances some of the kids are going to get with all the injuries the staff will be facing this season. As I've said before, the Yanks can win regular season games with average pitching so as long as they get that...they'll be fine. Come post season, they'd better have three healthy arms or their chances will be greatly diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 With an aging staff it is not so bad that they are down right now as it will extend them in the playoffs. As long as the offense can keep them in the games, we should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I don't see what the big conern is. The season is not going to be lost in the first 20-30-40-50 games. They may take a beating or two but they will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Tough break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Some folks will be up in arms over this. Others will sit back and laugh at the Yankees misfortune. Me? Not worried at all. Way too early to panic. Talk to me a few weeks after the all star break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 The Yanks have several options to go to that will probably get them a quality start and this is aside from Wang throwing five hitless the other day. The Yankee rotation will be fine IMO. As I said in a thread a few days ago, I'm actually quite happy about the chances some of the kids are going to get with all the injuries the staff will be facing this season. As I've said before, the Yanks can win regular season games with average pitching so as long as they get that...they'll be fine. Come post season, they'd better have three healthy arms or their chances will be greatly diminished. Agree but average pitching combined with well below average fielding and base running won't cut the mustard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Agree but average pitching combined with well below average fielding and base running won't cut the mustard.What makes you think the yankees are a below avg base running team? They were one of the best baserunning teams in baseball last year. And just because you make errors, that doesn't indicate that you're a bad defensive team. Errors are a really bad judge of defense. The yankees are an average defensive team. These errors won't keep up at this rate. If these injuries were going to happen it's better that they happen now than later in the season. They have a lot of guys in the minors who can step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 What makes you think the yankees are a below avg base running team? And just because you make errors, that doesn't indicate that you're a bad defensive team. Errors are a really bad judge of defense. What tool would you suggest to measure team defense? A self-report on how each player on the team feels he's doing defensively? A poll by Yankee fans judging how well the team plays the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 What tool would you suggest to measure team defense? A self-report on how each player on the team feels he's doing defensively? A poll by Yankee fans judging how well the team plays the field? There are many defensive stats that you can look at. Errors however are the worst way to judge. Basically any way of measuring defense is better than errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 There are many defensive stats that you can look at. Errors however are the worst way to judge. Basically any way of measuring defense is better than errors. Name ONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Name ONE.Zone Rating, Range Factor, UZR, FRAR, FRAA are all MUCH better then the subjectivity of the error stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Zone Rating, Range Factor, UZR, FRAR, FRAA are all MUCH better then the subjectivity of the error stat. And where do the Yankees stack up in these "objective" categories so far this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 And where do the Yankees stack up in these "objective" categories so far this season? You can't judge defense based on 11 games. That makes zero sense at all. The yankees will probably end up just like they did last year, around the middle of the pack. You judge these players on their career body of work, not 2 weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 You can't judge defense based on 11 games. That makes zero sense at all. The yankees will probably end up just like they did last year, around the middle of the pack. You judge these players on their career body of work, not 2 weeks... Fair enough. But you still didn't answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Fair enough. But you still didn't answer the question. They say they are around the middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 They say they are around the middle of the pack. And you're ok with this? "Average" is good enough for a team with, supposedly, the best "left side of the infield" in baseball history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 And you're ok with this? "Average" is good enough for a team with, supposedly, the best "left side of the infield" in baseball history? No one ever said it was one of the best defensive left sides in baseball history. Their bats are the reason they will be in the hall of fame. Jeter has always been a below avg SS and Arod has been up and down at 3rd. You can win with middle of the road D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 No one ever said it was one of the best defensive left sides in baseball history. Jeter has always been a below avg SS and Arod has been up and down at 3rd. You can win with middle of the road D. Maybe in the regular season, but the teams that end up World Champions typically play stellar defense; the rationale being that games in the playoffs are close, and a crucial error can sometimes be the difference between a win and a loss. Remember Rivera's error that cost the Yankees the title in 2001? THOSE kind of errors, fluky as they may seem, are likely to bring an end to seasons. The '06 Cardinals, '05 White Sox, '02 Angels, '98 Yankees, etc all played elite-level defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Maybe in the regular season, but the teams that end up World Champions typically play stellar defense; the rationale being that games in the playoffs are close, and a crucial error can sometimes be the difference between a win and a loss. Remember Rivera's error that cost the Yankees the title in 2001? THOSE kind of errors, fluky as they may seem, are likely to bring an end to seasons. The '06 Cardinals, '05 White Sox, '02 Angels, '98 Yankees, etc all played elite-level defense. Rivera is one of the best fielding pitchers in the majors. Pointing to that ONE error makes no sense. Errors are fluky things that happen sometimes. Aside from the 02 angels, most of those teams you mentioned were actually not stellar defensive teams during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mike is right when he says that errors are not the stat to use when judging a team. However, anyone with open eyes will see that Jeter is struggling with his glove this season, and his throws are not to sharp either. And Phelps is a disaster at 1B. If he can't hit in a part time role, he has no use here. At least Phillips was a decent-to-above-average fielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mike is right when he says that errors are not the stat to use when judging a team. However, anyone with open eyes will see that Jeter is struggling with his glove this season, and his throws are not to sharp either. And Phelps is a disaster at 1B. If he can't hit in a part time role, he has no use here. At least Phillips was a decent-to-above-average fielder. Jeter is not a good SS. That shouldn't surprise anyone. The 1B situation is a major problem. Cashman really dropped the ball by not bringing in a decent 1B over the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Zone Rating, Range Factor, UZR, FRAR, FRAA are all MUCH better then the subjectivity of the error stat. Mike , did Jeter and Abreu's defense cost the Yanks the Igawa game? Did Jeter's error allow a run to score that would not have yesterday in what was ultimately a one run loss? The Yanks are playing sloppy baseball despite all your scientific findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mike , did Jeter and Abreu's defense cost the Yanks the Igawa game? Did Jeter's error allow a run to score that would not have yesterday in what was ultimately a one run loss? The Yanks are playing sloppy baseball despite all your scientific findings. But, but, the stats? The stats? Stats are not facts, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mike , did Jeter and Abreu's defense cost the Yanks the Igawa game? Did Jeter's error allow a run to score that would not have yesterday in what was ultimately a one run loss? The Yanks are playing sloppy baseball despite all your scientific findings. Did Mintgarbagewicz's DP and pop up in 2 AB's with the bases loaded and less then 2 out hurt them too? There are a lot of reasons why you lose games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Did Mintgarbagewicz's DP and pop up in 2 AB's with the bases loaded and less then 2 out hurt them too? There are a lot of reasons why you lose games. Yeah but Doug has a great zone rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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