K2C Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 How the hell has posada been average at b est? He's been one of the best catchers in baseball for years. Sure...to a Yankee homer i'm sure he's been invinceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Giambi isn't a good player. He's a borderline hall of famer. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. POTW NOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Sure...to a Yankee homer i'm sure he's been invinceable. Tell me why posada has been average at best please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. POTW NOM! You do realize that he's in the top 40 all time in both OBP and SLG right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Giambi isn't a good player. He's a borderline hall of famer. You do realize that he's in the top 40 all time in both OBP and SLG right? No..no...NO WAY. I was about to potw nom that for you cracking a joke about a yankee, but you're actually SERIOUS?! HAHAHAHA...come on mike, tell me what exactly he's done since we KNOW he hasn't been jacked up? NOTHING, thats what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 BA isn't meaningless. Say two guys have the same OPS and SLG, but one is hitting .300 and the other is hitting .250. Which are you going to take? Hits are more important than walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Giambi isn't a good player. He's a borderline hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 11.5 million dollars a year for Rowand? No thanks. And that's A LOT of money for Mo at this point in his career. Trading Wang is a pretty laughably retarded idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 No..no...NO WAY. I was about to potw nom that for you cracking a joke about a yankee, but you're actually SERIOUS?! HAHAHAHA...come on mike, tell me what exactly he's done since we KNOW he hasn't been jacked up? NOTHING, thats what. You have no way of knowing when he was using or when he stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 You have no way of knowing when he was using or when he stopped. Exactly which makes his whole career one big *. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Exactly which makes his whole career one big *. Just like the hundreds of other players who did the exact same thing and we don't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Just like the hundreds of other players who did the exact same thing and we don't know about. And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. Thank you. That was the point I think he missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. Thank you. That was the point I think he missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. Bonds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. Bonds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. There will be players who will make the hall of fame who did steroids and no one knows about it. All you can do it judge players by their relation to every other player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 And none of them deserve to be called 'borderline' hall of famer. There will be players who will make the hall of fame who did steroids and no one knows about it. All you can do it judge players by their relation to every other player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 There will be players who will make the hall of fame who did steroids and no one knows about it. All you can do it judge players by their relation to every other player. The reason that Madmike says that Giambi is a borderline HOFer is because Bill James tells him so. There is a Jamesian calculation of career achievements, and if you approach 100 on this scale, the scale tells you that player should be a HOFer. Mo Vaughn, Carlos Delgado, Kent Hrbek are similar type players. And like Giambi, they are close on this stupid scaling system. Don't be mad at Mike, be mad at the drivel that he is brainwashed into thinking is the bible. MadMike is our own version of Patty Hearst. He was somewhere kidnapped by the Sabermetric gang and force fed numbers as the telling tale of baseball. He is just a Stolkholm Syndrome regurgitator. That and his social skills are inept, and thsi is what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 There will be players who will make the hall of fame who did steroids and no one knows about it. All you can do it judge players by their relation to every other player. The reason that Madmike says that Giambi is a borderline HOFer is because Bill James tells him so. There is a Jamesian calculation of career achievements, and if you approach 100 on this scale, the scale tells you that player should be a HOFer. Mo Vaughn, Carlos Delgado, Kent Hrbek are similar type players. And like Giambi, they are close on this stupid scaling system. Don't be mad at Mike, be mad at the drivel that he is brainwashed into thinking is the bible. MadMike is our own version of Patty Hearst. He was somewhere kidnapped by the Sabermetric gang and force fed numbers as the telling tale of baseball. He is just a Stolkholm Syndrome regurgitator. That and his social skills are inept, and thsi is what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I've watched Jason Giambi for his entire career. He is not a Hall of Fame player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I've watched Jason Giambi for his entire career. He is not a Hall of Fame player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I've watched Jason Giambi for his entire career. He is not a Hall of Fame player. One person's subjective opinion means very little to me without solid evidence. I've seen him too but only an ignorant person thinks they have the ability to put a player in context just by watching some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I've watched Jason Giambi for his entire career. He is not a Hall of Fame player. One person's subjective opinion means very little to me without solid evidence. I've seen him too but only an ignorant person thinks they have the ability to put a player in context just by watching some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 One person's subjective opinion means very little to me without solid evidence. I've seen him too but only an ignorant person thinks they have the ability to put a player in context just by watching some games. One person? I think its fair to say youre the only one around here that thinks Giambi is a possible Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 One person's subjective opinion means very little to me without solid evidence. I've seen him too but only an ignorant person thinks they have the ability to put a player in context just by watching some games. One person? I think its fair to say youre the only one around here that thinks Giambi is a possible Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 One person's subjective opinion means very little to me without solid evidence. I've seen him too but only an ignorant person thinks they have the ability to put a player in context just by watching some games. Every opinion is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 One person's subjective opinion means very little to me without solid evidence. I've seen him too but only an ignorant person thinks they have the ability to put a player in context just by watching some games. Every opinion is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 LOL!!! Giambi is 36 years old and with his decline over the past few years there is no reason to believe that he has much left. His career #s are .289 with 364 home runs. Over the past 4 seasons he has averaged 24 home runs. He is not gonna get 500. Do I have to look at any other #s. Sure he has an insane OBP I am sure. But he is a power hitter that clogs up the bases. He has a .289 BA and when compared against the greats not a lot of Home Runs. And he cheated to get there. He is bordering on being called above average vs average if anything. Not bordering on the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 LOL!!! Giambi is 36 years old and with his decline over the past few years there is no reason to believe that he has much left. His career #s are .289 with 364 home runs. Over the past 4 seasons he has averaged 24 home runs. He is not gonna get 500. Do I have to look at any other #s. Sure he has an insane OBP I am sure. But he is a power hitter that clogs up the bases. He has a .289 BA and when compared against the greats not a lot of Home Runs. And he cheated to get there. He is bordering on being called above average vs average if anything. Not bordering on the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 One person? I think its fair to say youre the only one around here that thinks Giambi is a possible Hall of Famer. I don't know if he's a hall of famer or not. What I know is that he's a top 40 player all time in 2 of the most important offensive stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 One person? I think its fair to say youre the only one around here that thinks Giambi is a possible Hall of Famer. I don't know if he's a hall of famer or not. What I know is that he's a top 40 player all time in 2 of the most important offensive stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 LOL!!! Giambi is 36 years old and with his decline over the past few years there is no reason to believe that he has much left. His career #s are .289 with 364 home runs. Over the past 4 seasons he has averaged 24 home runs. He is not gonna get 500. Do I have to look at any other #s. Sure he has an insane OBP I am sure. But he is a power hitter that clogs up the bases. He has a .289 BA and when compared against the greats not a lot of Home Runs. And he cheated to get there. He is bordering on being called above average vs average if anything. Not bordering on the HOF. Even if he doesn't make the hall of fame his career avg seasons are hall of fame caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 LOL!!! Giambi is 36 years old and with his decline over the past few years there is no reason to believe that he has much left. His career #s are .289 with 364 home runs. Over the past 4 seasons he has averaged 24 home runs. He is not gonna get 500. Do I have to look at any other #s. Sure he has an insane OBP I am sure. But he is a power hitter that clogs up the bases. He has a .289 BA and when compared against the greats not a lot of Home Runs. And he cheated to get there. He is bordering on being called above average vs average if anything. Not bordering on the HOF. Even if he doesn't make the hall of fame his career avg seasons are hall of fame caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Even if he doesn't make the hall of fame his career avg seasons are hall of fame caliber. Convince me that Giambi will get HOF consideration. So far, all you've done is stated your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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