Untouchable Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Trades LB Jonathan Vilma to Cincy for a 2008 3rd round pick WR Justin McCareins to Tennessee for a 2008 6th round draft pick Free Agent Signings OG Alan Faneca OT Stacy Andrews WR Bryant Johnson ILB Larry Izzo CB Randall Gay P Scott Player Extension FS Kerry Rhodes Cuts CB David Barrett LB Eric Barton P Ben Graham Mock Draft (5 rounds) 1st round: RB Darren McFadden - Arkansas 2nd round: DE Kentwan Balmer - North Carolina 3rd round: OG Duke Robinson - Oklahoma 3rd round: OLB Tommy Blake - TCU 4th round: WR Donnie Avery - Houston 5th round: DT B.J. Raji - Boston College 2008 Starting Lineup QB Kellen Clemens RB Darren McFadden WR Laveranues Coles WR Jerricho Cotchery WR Bryant Johnson TE Chris Baker LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG Alan Faneca C Nick Mangold RG Brandon Moore RT Stacy Andrews DE Kentwan Balmer/Kenyon Coleman NT Dewayne Robertson DE Shaun Ellis OLB Bryan Thomas ILB David Harris ILB Larry Izzo OLB David Bowens/Tommy Blake CB Darrelle Revis CB Randall Gay FS Kerry Rhodes SS Abram Elam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I really hope we don't sign Faneca. Old, expensive, bitchy, and declining. Not exactly someone a rebuilding team wants to tie a huge contract to. Like the draft, but it's just impossible. Blake will fly up boards if he interviews well and performs as expect at the combine. Alot of reports were saying he came back bigger, faster, and stronger after his bout with...whatever it was. He and Groves are largely ignored now, but I think they will remind everyone just how nasty they are at the combine. No chance in hell Duke Robinson is around in the 3rd. He's got the potential to be the be a Shawn Andrews type G. If Raji comes out...theres too many 3-4 teams that need a NT for him to sit around til the 4th...I think. If we're getting a NT in the 4th, it's probably Morton. Love the Balmer and McFadden pick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Larry Izzo? You are kidding, right? The guy is a midget, a special teams player his entire career and will be 34 years old next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 There are two guys who I would love to see in green next august..WR Limas Sweed out of Texas who would of broken all of Williams record if he didn't get injured and Jr Vernon Gholston DE/OLB out of Ohio State who is an absolute beast. From Draftdaddy.com Limas Sweed, Texas: Sweed doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 There are two guys who I would love to see in green next august..WR Limas Sweed out of Texas who would of broken all of Williams record if he didn't get injured and Jr Vernon Gholston DE/OLB out of Ohio State who is an absolute beast. From Draftdaddy.com Limas Sweed, Texas: Sweed doesn’t catch as many passes as some of the others on this list, but he might be the most explosive receiver in the country. Sweed, a projected first-round NFL pick in 2008, caught a touchdown in seven consecutive games last year. LS hi-lite film Stat Overview Receiving Rushing Fumbles YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST 2004 23 263 11.4 37 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2005 36 545 15.1 45 5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2006 46 801 17.4 60 12 0 5 0.0 0 0 0 0 2007 19 306 16.1 52 3 1 -1 -1.0 0 0 0 0INJURIED..(WRIST IN 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I absolutely love the thought of DMC running behind Alan Faneca (See Sig). IMO we could have a top running game with a combination like that. That POS Nose Tackle is still there though, and IMO we just can't let that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Can someone explain to me whats so great about signing a soon to be 33 year old G whose sucked for the past 2 seasons? It MIGHT be a good move in the short term, but it doesn't really seem like we're building for the short term does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Can someone explain to me whats so great about signing a soon to be 33 year old G whose sucked for the past 2 seasons? It MIGHT be a good move in the short term, but it doesn't really seem like we're building for the short term does it? 30 yr old guard which means he could be good for another 6 years. He is still very talented, I saw him in that Rams game and he was absolutely flawless and most of Pittburghs big runs were sprung by him. He hasn't "sucked" the last 2 years he just hasn't played to his ridiculously high standards and IMO that's because he is unhappy in Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 All I know is we need DMC. Just grab that bastard PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Just throwing this name out there: mario urrutia. Could he come in under the radar and if hes a second day pick should we go for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 If we really do trade penny and coles for a first and a fourth then we better take ghoulston and mcfadden. That would be a sweet first round. and the more I hear about faneca the more I say take a pass on him. but who else is out there that the jets can get. we can't go into next year without a fa vet. o linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 30 yr old guard which means he could be good for another 6 years. He is still very talented, I saw him in that Rams game and he was absolutely flawless and most of Pittburghs big runs were sprung by him. He hasn't "sucked" the last 2 years he just hasn't played to his ridiculously high standards and IMO that's because he is unhappy in Pittsburgh. I just watched that Rams game. Not so impressed. The Rams D sucks, he spent almost every pass play simply helping the center, including a couple where blitzes went right through his spot. There were times that looked designed (a back was waiting to pick it up) and others where it didn't (Ben runs for life). The Jets cannot afford to take anybody that dogs it because they are "unhappy". If he was unhappy in Pittsburgh how's he going to be in NY? I'd make an offer for Faneca, but not break the bank. I'm sure there will be other options. I want value for the money. Not cheap, but value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I just watched that Rams game. Not so impressed. The Rams D sucks, he spent almost every pass play simply helping the center, including a couple where blitzes went right through his spot. There were times that looked designed (a back was waiting to pick it up) and others where it didn't (Ben runs for life). The Jets cannot afford to take anybody that dogs it because they are "unhappy". If he was unhappy in Pittsburgh how's he going to be in NY? I'd make an offer for Faneca, but not break the bank. I'm sure there will be other options. I want value for the money. Not cheap, but value. He's unhappy because they wont give him a long term deal. He was brilliant in that Rams game, if he's double teaming with the center that's presumably because he's been assigned to double team with the center. There is no way in hell he does that without it being a designed play, the blocking around him doesn't help. Faneca isn't know to be a great pass blocker, he's good at it but will make the odd mistake. He's far from a liability though. He is an elite run blocker though, notice that most of Pittsburghs big runs are to the left side and a lot of their good runs to the right are with Faneca pulling and setting them up, that is something he is great at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I think it's worth noting that Steelers fans are not as enamored with Faneca as some people on this board. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I think it's worth noting that Steelers fans are not as enamored with Faneca as some people on this board. Be careful what you wish for. LOL, those are just bitter fans. Notice that us Jet fans weren't exactly singing Pete Kendalls praises when he was unhappy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8054e6e9 Watch this video of Najeh Davenports game vs St.Louis. Just watch how dominant Faneca is in run blocking and also notice the athletic ability to get downfield and pull to the right. He would work wonders for our line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8054e6e9 Watch this video of Najeh Davenports game vs St.Louis. Just watch how dominant Faneca is in run blocking and also notice the athletic ability to get downfield and pull to the right. He would work wonders for our line. Watched and still not looking to pay that guy big money. Those were highlights and I'm not blown away. There was one nice pulling play, but Davenport didn't even follow him into the hole. He held his own, but I didn't see him blasting anybody downfield. I do not see dominance. There are a few plays, not sure if any are in the clip, where he just stands around when the play breaks. He's a nice player, but I think it would be a mistake to give him a giant long term contract. IMO, there will be other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Watched and still not looking to pay that guy big money. Those were highlights and I'm not blown away. There was one nice pulling play, but Davenport didn't even follow him into the hole. He held his own, but I didn't see him blasting anybody downfield. I do not see dominance. There are a few plays, not sure if any are in the clip, where he just stands around when the play breaks. He's a nice player, but I think it would be a mistake to give him a giant long term contract. IMO, there will be other options. The fact of the matter is that even a 'nice player' at Left Guard could do wonders for this team right now. We have a human turnstile playing right now, if we don't address that position with a very good player I will be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8054e6e9 Watch that video, take not that is John Henderson he is going up against. Not many guards control Handerson like that. The 3rd lay especially, where he drives him 5 yards up field in the opposite direction Parker is running. That is amazing. Also see the ut block which springs the last run. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 How about drafting Michael Oher in the second? He's bigger than Faneca, athletic and a mauler. He would cost less, could play tackle or guard, and would improve with time (Faneca is only going to decline.) Seems like a better deal IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 How about drafting Michael Oher in the second? He's bigger than Faneca, athletic and a mauler. He would cost less, could play tackle or guard, and would improve with time (Faneca is only going to decline.) Seems like a better deal IMHO. He's not proven though, it's easy to list out his physical abilities and hope he'll develop but the fact of the matter remains Alan Faneca has proven that he is as good as any guard in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 There are two guys who I would love to see in green next august..WR Limas Sweed out of Texas who would of broken all of Williams record if he didn't get injured and Jr Vernon Gholston DE/OLB out of Ohio State who is an absolute beast. From Draftdaddy.com Limas Sweed, Texas: Sweed doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Is Faneca a massive upgrade over what the Jets have? Yes. Is he worth Hutchinson/Leonard Davis money? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Is he worth Hutchinson/Leonard Davis money? No. I don't think that it's just by coincidence that both those teams are headed to the playoffs this year. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 Is Faneca a massive upgrade over what the Jets have? Yes. Is he worth Hutchinson/Leonard Davis money? No. Was Leonard Davis even worth Leonard Davis money before this year? No Faneca is a multi pro-bowler who is a dominant run blocker and known as a team leader. He's the exact type of guy you'd want to stick between Brick and Mangold for the next 3-5 years. The guys track record speaks for itself. And what is it with this wide consensus that Faneca has lost a step? I just watched him manhandle John Henderson (arguably the best DT in football)last week. I'm more than willing to make Faneca the highest paid OG in the NFL if that's what it takes to get him here. We're gonna have plenty of coin to spend in free agency and the O-line is in dire need to be upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Was Leonard Davis even worth Leonard Davis money before this year? No Faneca is a multi pro-bowler who is a dominant run blocker and known as a team leader. He's the exact type of guy you'd want to stick between Brick and Mangold for the next 3-5 years. The guys track record speaks for itself. And what is it with this wide consensus that Faneca has lost a step? I just watched him manhandle John Henderson (arguably the best DT in football)last week. I'm more than willing to make Faneca the highest paid OG in the NFL if that's what it takes to get him here. We're gonna have plenty of coing to spend in free agency and the O-line is in dire need to be upgraded. I don't think they want any more "team leaders" Especially not any that are as old as Mangini. That is a large part of the reason they dumped Mawae and Kendall. That and being expensive. Doesn't sound like the fit they are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I don't think they want any more "team leaders" Especially not any that are as old as Mangini. That is a large part of the reason they dumped Mawae and Kendall. That and being expensive. Doesn't sound like the fit they are looking for. I don't think that had anything to do with why they dumped Mawae. Mangini loves good charachter guys, Faneca fits that bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Was Leonard Davis even worth Leonard Davis money before this year? No Faneca is a multi pro-bowler who is a dominant run blocker and known as a team leader. He's the exact type of guy you'd want to stick between Brick and Mangold for the next 3-5 years. The guys track record speaks for itself. And what is it with this wide consensus that Faneca has lost a step? I just watched him manhandle John Henderson (arguably the best DT in football)last week. I'm more than willing to make Faneca the highest paid OG in the NFL if that's what it takes to get him here. We're gonna have plenty of coin to spend in free agency and the O-line is in dire need to be upgraded. Exactly and also LG is much more a position of need for us than it was for either of those 2 teams. IMO we have to dish out the cash for this guy. Very rarely does an elite player become available in the main position of need, when it does a big offer must be made IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I don't think that had anything to do with why they dumped Mawae. Mangini loves good charachter guys, Faneca fits that bill. Mawae's mouth had quite a bit to do with him getting dumped. Faneca, big mouth, yapped about his contract, whined for an extension when his deal wasn't up, by his biggest fan's (you) account didn't play well because he was "unhappy" about his contract. Doesn't sound like who they are looking for. There was speculation that they have kept Baker off the active roster for a week because of his yapping to the press, can you imagine them breaking the bank for an old guard that cried about his contract? Especially when they just dumped one. It would be admitting their mistake. I think they'd burn a 1st or 2nd on one first. They don't like mouths and they don't like to admit they were wrong. I might sign him, but I don't see them busting the bank for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Mawae's mouth had quite a bit to do with him getting dumped. Faneca, big mouth, yapped about his contract, whined for an extension when his deal wasn't up, by his biggest fan's (you) account didn't play well because he was "unhappy" about his contract. Doesn't sound like who they are looking for. There was speculation that they have kept Baker off the active roster for a week because of his yapping to the press, can you imagine them breaking the bank for an old guard that cried about his contract? Especially when they just dumped one. It would be admitting their mistake. I think they'd burn a 1st or 2nd on one first. They don't like mouths and they don't like to admit they were wrong. I might sign him, but I don't see them busting the bank for him. There's nothing wrong with wanting a new contract when you have played as well as he has and given as much as he has for the Steelers over the years. I'd be pretty pissed too. Madden said it during a SNF game vs the Bengals, that pittsburgh were crazy not to give this guy a new deal. If we do give him a big contract, then I'm sure he wont complain, before this incident he had done nothing that could be considered 'bad charachter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Not sure our FO drafts a RB with the way the roster currently looks and rightly so. Trade down and collect some picks unless someone else catches their eye. Senseless to draft a RB unless Jones is traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Not sure our FO drafts a RB with the way the roster currently looks and rightly so. Trade down and collect some picks unless someone else catches their eye. Senseless to draft a RB unless Jones is traded. We need a playmaker on offence, Jones (31 next year which for RB's is ancient) IMO is not a playmaker, even when he is provided good blocking he isn't great at making people miss in the secondary. If we got McFadden and Faneca IMO we would have one hell of a running game next season, which would also make it easier on Clemens. Jones just doesn't cut it for me, IMO he'll just be worse next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 We need a playmaker on offence, Jones (31 next year which for RB's is ancient) IMO is not a playmaker, even when he is provided good blocking he isn't great at making people miss in the secondary. If we got McFadden and Faneca IMO we would have one hell of a running game next season, which would also make it easier on Clemens. Jones just doesn't cut it for me, IMO he'll just be worse next year. Too many other priorities. I doubt we just eat the trade and contract we invested in Jones to draft a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8054e6e9 Watch this video of Najeh Davenports game vs St.Louis. Just watch how dominant Faneca is in run blocking and also notice the athletic ability to get downfield and pull to the right. He would work wonders for our line. what you fail to consider IJ is WHO the owner of this team is...we all sit on these boards year after year after year watching the parade of names go by our faces like starving homeless men in front of a bakery wishing WE would be the team that actually signs FA's who could help make the Jets better-unfortunately is just doesn't happen and I suspect it never will with this asshoole owner of ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 what you fail to consider IJ is WHO the owner of this team is...we all sit on these boards year after year after year watching the parade of names go by our faces like starving homeless men in front of a bakery wishing WE would be the team that actually signs FA's who could help make the Jets better-unfortunately is just doesn't happen and I suspect it never will with this asshoole owner of ours I know. I don't actually believe we'll draft McFadden or sign Faneca I just pray to God that we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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