CrazyCarl40 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Another example for free agents on how you do NOT want to be treated Yup... by your agent. Yankees pretty much did the Same thing with Pettite. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 At the minor league level. Besides, he will not end up a catcher in the ML. 17 hr's in 525 AB's at single A ball is not Ortiz power but the kid is just 18 and a fine prospect. Let's let him do something before annointing him the Yankees future catcher. I liken him more to Sandoval of the Giants with a littele more pop. Projections are just that projections. But 17 home runs in single A is very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Aec is the greatest Class A ball player of all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Aec is the greatest Class A ball player of all-time. LOL. The experience here is relevant. Hopefully he will chime in. Because I think 17 home runs at that level is very big. The kids aren't even down growing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 LOL. The experience here is relevant. Hopefully he will chime in. Because I think 17 home runs at that level is very big. The kids aren't even down growing yet. Clint Hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Thank You Joe. You have to excuse Tyler- nice kid, loves his baseball but a complete Yankee homer which is fine. We all have some of that when it comes to our teams. Very good for the forum based on what I saw of him on JI. Will go MIA though once rosy predictions AKA, Phil Hughes in 08 hit the skids. If Varitek returns to 2007 form at the plate he is a great asset. We always hear about Yanks need to return to days of having key role players to return to their great 96-2000 run. Varitek on the Sox is just that with greater responsibilities of managing a staff in which most of his pitchers have inporoved under his game calling yet the old "need role players to be successfull" suddenly does not apply. Jury is nowhere near out on 23 year old Phil Hughes. and Varitek sucks, period. That helps the Yankees. He's a black hole in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Jury is nowhere near out on 23 year old Phil Hughes. and Varitek sucks, period. That helps the Yankees. He's a black hole in the lineup. Yup. It's a real shame hitting is 100% of the game. Note: Sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Phases of the game (for catchers) Hitting- Varitek sucks Throwing runners out- Varitek sucks Fielding the ball- Not particularly good Calling a game- Pretty good Overall.. he's a bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Phases of the game (for catchers) Hitting- Varitek sucks Throwing runners out- Varitek sucks Fielding the ball- Not particularly good Calling a game- Pretty good Overall.. he's a bad. He was 3rd in MLB in fielding and is excellent at calling games. His bat is a blackhole, but he more then makes up for it in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Is year 2 either a team or player option? Last I heard, Year 2 was a player option. Some of these players are going to neede to get moving. 2nd year is option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Jury is nowhere near out on 23 year old Phil Hughes. and Varitek sucks, period. That helps the Yankees. He's a black hole in the lineup. LOL Like they said.... homer talk like yours carries little weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 He was 3rd in MLB in fielding and is excellent at calling games. His bat is a blackhole, but he more then makes up for it in other areas. Exactly right. You've got to look at the whole package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Jury is nowhere near out on 23 year old Phil Hughes. and Varitek sucks, period. That helps the Yankees. He's a black hole in the lineup. People forgot how young Hughes is. He won't be 23 years old until June of this year. I still like his long term chances a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 go yankees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 LOL Like they said.... homer talk like yours carries little weight. Oh please. 1. Jury isn't out on Hughes 2. Varitek does suck Only a homer Red Sox fan would dispute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 Exactly right. You've got to look at the whole package. I've gone over it many times, and as a whole package, Varitek sucks. No way around that. He's pretty much an automatic out at this point, the Sox should think about using him as a backup. I'm pretty confident Jose Molina is better than him. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Oh please. 1. Jury isn't out on Hughes 2. Varitek does suck Only a homer Red Sox fan would dispute that. In this forum, you have to understand the hype that was put on Hughes. We had one poster (currently banned) who claimed his "stuff" was HOF worthy. No kidding. And the way that Cashman protected both Hughes and Kennedy last year, shielding them from trades, and ready to promote them in the rotation, you have to believe that the Yankees were projecting huge things from them as well. Last year was a major disappointment for both those players. To soft sell that would be an understatement. Does that mean they can not come back and be productive players in the future? Of course not. But that term "upside potential" that I see you use so often in description of players, has to have been downgraded in some measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I've gone over it many times, and as a whole package, Varitek sucks. No way around that. He's pretty much an automatic out at this point, the Sox should think about using him as a backup. I'm pretty confident Jose Molina is better than him. LOL Varitek had one awful year and like I stated b4, he plays a important role in handling that staff.....much better than Posada. I recall no Sox pitchers preferring he not catch on the day they were scheduled to pitch. Last year Jose Molina was touted by some Yankee fans and Michael Kay as being able to start on most Major League teams......final result?.......216 BA, .263 OBP, .313 Slg pct. Not as bad as the Hughes-Kennedy fall but you get the picture. Question? Both Yankee CF's as well as Nick Swisher were auto outs in 2008 yet you at times defend them and want them competing for starting jobs. What have they done even remotely close to what Varitek has done in his career? I mean I have seen Swicher's 08 season called unlucky and also touted for drawing 80 BB's. We're talking about a career .243 hitter. Again, Varitek is a role player for the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I've gone over it many times, and as a whole package, Varitek sucks. No way around that. He's pretty much an automatic out at this point, the Sox should think about using him as a backup. I'm pretty confident Jose Molina is better than him. LOL No one is saying otherwise, but every pitcher loves the guy. You deal with the bat because of how he handles the pitchers. I would love to see them get Sartlemacchia or one of the other rumored players to play along side him for the next two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 In this forum, you have to understand the hype that was put on Hughes. We had one poster (currently banned) who claimed his "stuff" was HOF worthy. No kidding. Tyler did his fair share of fellating Hughes on the other board, so he can relate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Anyone think, that Cashman coveting Hughes and Kennedy the way he did last year was just an excuse to not pursue big FA's. The yankees knew they had a bunch of cash coming off this year and Santana would of made the Yanks payroll astronomical last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Tyler did his fair share of fellating Hughes on the other board, so he can relate. Was he the "Saving Phil Hughes" guy? Anyway, every club has had their share of promoting future superstars, only to have them become mediocre. The Mets chief among them Thankfully, Omar held onto Pelfrey (when admittedly I saw nothing in the guy to show that he was going to produce), so it goes both ways. I wonder if Martinez is the next tease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm a Yankee fan and hate the Rex Sox just as much as other fellow Yankee fans, but this Yankee-homerism to say Varitek sucks is embarassing. C'mon guys. Its ****ing beyond homerism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicBizkit87 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm a Yankee fan and hate the Rex Sox just as much as other fellow Yankee fans, but this Yankee-homerism to say Varitek sucks is embarassing. C'mon guys. Its ****ing beyond homerism. He does suck though? His batting average was .220 and he's a starter? Jose Molina's batting average was .216. Does that mean the Yankees backup catcher is just about good enough to be Boston's starter? Sure he right now is probably the best catcher in the game, when it comes to calling a baseball game, but thats about all he does well. The bottom line is he sucks, and him being the captain of he Sox's gives Red Sox Nation trouble admitting that he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm a Yankee fan and hate the Rex Sox just as much as other fellow Yankee fans, but this Yankee-homerism to say Varitek sucks is embarassing. C'mon guys. Its ****ing beyond homerism. Your kidding right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 I wold take Molina over Varitek everyday of the week. At this point Varitek isn't a better hitter, and Molina is clearly the better defensive catcher. I simply don't like Varitek's game, never have, he's been overrated for years. Me saying this has nothing to do with him being a Red Sox, if you want we can talk about Dustin Pedroia or Jon Lester, I'll have glowing remarks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I wold take Molina over Varitek everyday of the week. At this point Varitek isn't a better hitter, and Molina is clearly the better defensive catcher. I simply don't like Varitek's game, never have, he's been overrated for years. Me saying this has nothing to do with him being a Red Sox, if you want we can talk about Dustin Pedroia or Jon Lester, I'll have glowing remarks for them. Ok, I see you are using the MadMike "Train of Thought or the lack there of" Thought Process. BA: Tek .220 vs Molina .216: Molina has eclipsed Tek .263 career average once in his career and that was 15 games and 37 ABs. Defense: Tek .993 (Career FP) vs Molina (.992): Tek has a Gold Glove. Molina has bupkiss. The only thing Molina has is age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I wold take Molina over Varitek everyday of the week. At this point Varitek isn't a better hitter, and Molina is clearly the better defensive catcher. I simply don't like Varitek's game, never have, he's been overrated for years. Me saying this has nothing to do with him being a Red Sox, if you want we can talk about Dustin Pedroia or Jon Lester, I'll have glowing remarks for them. Well you're wrong. Saying you'd take Molina over Varitek shows that this is a simple case of being a Homer which is fine. Please remember Molina could not even keep the job while Posada was out. Up until last season Varitek was more than fine offensively as a catcher and in fact 03 -06 he was actually an asset offensively based on position. Possibly you are looking at Bengie Molina's offensive stats when making these statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well you're wrong. Saying you'd take Molina over Varitek shows that this is a simple case of being a Homer which is fine. Please remember Molina could not even keep the job while Posada was out. Up until last season Varitek was more than fine offensively as a catcher and in fact 03 -06 he was actually an asset offensively based on position. Possibly you are looking at Bengie Molina's offensive stats when making these statements. They are brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 -I was being sarcastic when it comes to Molina offense, but Varitek still sucks, considering he's not a backup, like Molina is. If I had to pick a backup for Posada, I would pick Molina over Varitek in a heartbeat. I'd take the catcher, hitters don't run on. -Gold gloves isn't a good way to analysis defense, if it was Derek Jeter would be a very good shortstop. WOW, can Yankee homer really knock the almighty Derek Jeter? Do me a favor, don't call me a homer. Varitek sucks, period. -Molina is head and shoulders better defensively than Varitek. You might want to compare there CS%. -Varitek sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Anyone think, that Cashman coveting Hughes and Kennedy the way he did last year was just an excuse to not pursue big FA's. The yankees knew they had a bunch of cash coming off this year and Santana would of made the Yanks payroll astronomical last year. No. Hughes while overhyped by the Yanks is still a big time prospect with loads of #1 or #2 SP potential. The Yanks just fell in love with the build from within mantra based on Joba's emergence the year before and Hughes/Kennedy also looking good in a very limited sample size. As always they had very little patience for growing pains with the kids and with the rotation they have today, there is only room for one of Hughes/Kennedy after Andy retires. That said, Cashman obviously was looking at the 2009 FA class very early last season but let's not act like they did not aggressively go after Santana. Would 20 million really make that much of a issue to the Yankees payroll knowing they had cash freeing up the following year for an absolute difference maker in Johan? I just think the price the Twins wanted initially was more than Hughes and Melky and rightfully so. The Mets just happened to be the last team standing and got lucky to land him. Moving away from last years direction with these FA signings does probably mean a Hughes or Kennedy trade is in the cards. The fact that Cano's name was mentioned as a possible trade candidate also indicates that other than Joba there may be no young Yanks that are untouchable as was the case last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 No. Hughes while overhyped by the Yanks is still a big time prospect with loads of #1 or #2 SP potential. The Yanks just fell in love with the build from within mantra based on Joba's emergence the year before and Hughes/Kennedy also looking good in a very limited sample size. As always they had very little patience for growing pains with the kids and with the rotation they have today, there is only room for one of Hughes/Kennedy after Andy retires. That said, Cashman obviously was looking at the 2009 FA class very early last season but let's not act like they did not aggressively go after Santana. Would 20 million really make that much of a issue to the Yankees payroll knowing they had cash freeing up the following year for an absolute difference maker in Johan? I just think the price the Twins wanted initially was more than Hughes and Melky and rightfully so. The Mets just happened to be the last team standing and got lucky to land him. Moving away from last years direction with these FA signings does probably mean a Hughes or Kennedy trade is in the cards. The fact that Cano's name was mentioned as a possible trade candidate also indicates that other than Joba there may be no young Yanks that are untouchable as was the case last year. Hughes made his debut well before Chamberlain. The buildup around Hughes had do with his numbers throughout the minors, and eventually his 2nd major league start when he had a no hitter going in the 6th inning. The thing about Hughes is, it seems like his fastball isn't what it use to be, or the guns in the minors where misleading. He's at least 2-3 mphe slower than he was projected to throw. Most scouting reports in the minors had him sitting around 95. Now he mostly just hits 95 occasionally. We'll see though, maybe the injuries had something to do with that. The big thing for Hughes is to develop that 3rd pitch. When on I think he's got one of the nastiest curves in baseball, but right now, if it's not working for him, all he can really do is throw fastballs, because he clearly hasn't been comfortable using his secondary stuff. I think he developed a cutter last year, not sure how good that is. Hopefully his change up develops into a nice pitch. If I had to guess the Yankees untouchables, right now, would be.. Joba Chamberlain Phil Hughes (Yankees like him a lot) Austin Jackson Mark Melancon Jesus Montero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Not to make an excuse for Tek, but he was going through a divorce last season, which may have been affecting him on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Tek is not the offensive force he once was That being said, I too would take today;s Molina, over today's Tek Tek's divorce is a joke, trying to hook up with a NESN employee....ruined his year, and possibly his career He truly is done....no one is afraid to run on him anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicBizkit87 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Not to make an excuse for Tek, but he was going through a divorce last season, which may have been affecting him on the field. In the words of Charlie Brown.... Good Grief... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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