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[T0mShane]

Get the 14th overall pick. Draft Tyler Eifert in Round One, then Tyler Wilson in Round Two. Start McElroy for the first half of 13, then let Wilson play. Boom. Done. Blam.

[dbatesman]

Get the 14th overall pick. Draft Tyler Eifert in Round One, then Tyler Wilson in Round Two. Start McElroy for the first half of 13, then let Wilson play. Boom. Done. Blam.

Tyler Wilson has started something in the neighborhood of 25 games. I'm not even going to get into your continued fetishization of ND tight ends.

[T0mShane]

Tyler Wilson has started something in the neighborhood of 25 games.

Yes, but he seems like a tidy prospect.

I'm not even going to get into your continued fetishization of ND tight ends.

Because large white dudes are almost always Jason Witten. #Science

[dbatesman]

Yes, but he seems like a tidy prospect.

He's fine, but if we're going with a guy in round 2 or later, I'd prefer one with more experience.

Because large white dudes are almost always Jason Witten. #Science

Depends on what you mean by "large." #hellofriend

[faba]

Tom has this thing for large guys

[Bleedin Green]

He's fine, but if we're going with a guy in round 2 or later, I'd prefer one with more experience.

Well 25 college starts is still better than 15, right?

[SenorGato]

you can point to Andrew Luck and John Elway as an example where losing was a good thing. I can point to every other losing team, ever. The exception doesn't disprove the rule. Some teams have been losing for decades. All it does is make them a loser. Statistically you'd rather be a winner. To be in the rabbit hole so deep that losing is good... it's unhealthy way to think and it's no way to run a pro football team.

Luckily the FO has stamped their disapproval otherwise I would be recruiting you to explain this to dummy Cub fans out there who were tossing away 2013 in June of 2012.

Not that the Cubs will win anything in 2013...they're just not going to be sh*t your pants bad like last year.

[jack48]

Thanks, but I can't read all that. I'll just wait and see.

[Il Mostro]

If the Jets don't drop the last two, I'll be pissed. This always play to win nonsense is dumb martyrdom at its best and it's exactly why we got stuck with Vernon ****ing Gholston.

Same here. But you know they will find a way to screw us by winning when it doesn't count and hurt our draft position.

[Il Mostro]

Get the 14th overall pick. Draft Tyler Eifert in Round One, then Tyler Wilson in Round Two. Start McElroy for the first half of 13, then let Wilson play. Boom. Done. Blam.

Eifert is a perfect Jet's pick -- 2nd round talent drafted in the 1st round. And, Wilson almost certainly will not be around when we pick in the 2nd round.

[RutgersJetFan]

Luckily the FO has stamped their disapproval otherwise I would be recruiting you to explain this to dummy Cub fans out there who were tossing away 2013 in June of 2012.

Not that the Cubs will win anything in 2013...they're just not going to be sh*t your pants bad like last year.

Bitonti and Gato taking a position together. That's when you know you're really on to something.

[SenorGato]

That Samardzija guy really sh*t the bed this year, didn't he RJF?

[pedro55]

you can point to Andrew Luck and John Elway as an example where losing was a good thing. I can point to every other losing team, ever. The exception doesn't disprove the rule. Some teams have been losing for decades. All it does is make them a loser. Statistically you'd rather be a winner. To be in the rabbit hole so deep that losing is good... it's unhealthy way to think and it's no way to run a pro football team.

I'm all for winning, but the Jets seem to be that 8-8 team (give or take a loss or win) every year, over and over and over. 8-8 teams never seem to improve. They just continue to be 8-8. Teams that win seem to know how to draft, sign players, trade players, etc. Teams like the (49ers for like twenty years), Patriots (over the past 15 years), Hell even the Eagles for like ten years with Reid/McNabb, and even the Giants over the past 7 years.

The Jets just seem to dump QBs and Coaches and never really get better. We are always in the same spot. No QB. No real coach who knows how to win or build a winner or lead. Or a coach who wants out. Or a GM who knows how to scout talent. And now it seems a GM who has no clue how to finagle numbers under a cap.

I think the Jets finish 8-8 as the Chargers are done and the Bills are horrible. Where does that leave us? Same place as last year, same place as they were a few years ago, same place they were under Herm, under Al Groh. Under everybody. They are always the 8-8 team that can't seem to ever get over the hump and become a division winner.

[bitonti]

I think the Jets finish 8-8 as the Chargers are done and the Bills are horrible. Where does that leave us? Same place as last year, same place as they were a few years ago, same place they were under Herm, under Al Groh. Under everybody. They are always the 8-8 team that can't seem to ever get over the hump and become a division winner.

that's true but 6-10 is still better than 8-8. And 9-7 is better than that. Rooting for the team to lose is no way to go through life.

i saw Vernon Gholston's name in this thread (it wouldn't be a draft thread without it) serious question how much better are the Jets with Darren McFadden?

yeah of course DMC is better but seriously, he'd be a pariah in this town if he had that career here.

Edited by bitonti, 21 December 2012 - 08:56 PM.

[dbatesman]

that's true but 6-10 is still better than 8-8. And 9-7 is better than that. Rooting for the team to lose is no way to go through life.

i saw Vernon Gholston's name in this thread (it wouldn't be a draft thread without it) serious question how much better are the Jets with Darren McFadden?

yeah of course DMC is better but seriously, he'd be a pariah in this town if he had that career here.

I think the assumption is that we'd have Matt Ryan, not McFadden.

[RutgersJetFan]

I think the assumption is that we'd have Matt Ryan, not McFadden.

Gholston/Oghobasse. Now THAT would have made the Jets better.

[bitonti]

I think the assumption is that we'd have Matt Ryan, not McFadden.

ok well Mark is 4-6 in the playoffs and Matt Ryan is 0-3. I know the playoff stat thing is a huge crutch for Sanchez supporters but ask again how happy would Jets fans be with Matt Ryan really? We'd all be waiting for the inevitable playoff dump to happen. My point is that losing for a higher pick is not a road to recovery. If we want to really go crazy maybe they lose every game they can get Jake long that year. Who is on the injured reserve right now. Some drafts are weak, the 2013 draft is looking like one of those crops.

Edited by bitonti, 22 December 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[neckdemon]

you can point to Andrew Luck and John Elway as an example where losing was a good thing. I can point to every other losing team, ever. The exception doesn't disprove the rule. Some teams have been losing for decades. All it does is make them a loser. Statistically you'd rather be a winner. To be in the rabbit hole so deep that losing is good... it's unhealthy way to think and it's no way to run a pro football team.

true but at this point tell me how winning the next 2 games would help this team......

[Sperm Edwards]

that's true but 6-10 is still better than 8-8. And 9-7 is better than that. Rooting for the team to lose is no way to go through life.

i saw Vernon Gholston's name in this thread (it wouldn't be a draft thread without it) serious question how much better are the Jets with Darren McFadden?

yeah of course DMC is better but seriously, he'd be a pariah in this town if he had that career here.

As long as you bring it up, if the Jets lost that last game to KC in week 17 of 2007, the 2008 draft pick wouldn't have been Gholston or McFadden. It would have been Matt Ryan, since we would have been drafting at #2 instead of #6. We also wouldn't have given up a 3rd rounder and $12M for 1 year of Brett Favre. It also means we would have had our first and second round draft picks to use in 2009 instead of blowing them both on Sanchez.

So just so I get this right, you would choose a 4-12 record in 2007 and:

• Vernon Gholston
• 1 year of Brett Favre
• Half a decade of Mark Sanchez

instead of a 3-13 record in 2007 and:

• Matt Ryan
• 2009 first round pick
• 2009 second round pick
• 2009 third round pick
• $12M in cap room not used on Favre.
• 3 players already under contract (Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff)

With those extra picks, then we might have taken a WR in rounds 1-3 in 2009 (Harvin? Nicks? Wallace?) which means we may not have traded 3rd and 5th rounders in 2010 (and another $10M in cap space) for less than 2 seasons of Braylon Edwards. Or maybe, since we still would have a hole at OLB due to not drafting Gholston, we might have taken Clay Matthews.

Looks to me like it was a damn tragedy for the Jets to win that last game in 2007 when we were already eliminated.

Now what say you?

[StraightCash]

As long as you bring it up, if the Jets lost that last game to KC in week 17 of 2007, the 2008 draft pick wouldn't have been Gholston or McFadden. It would have been Matt Ryan, since we would have been drafting at #2 instead of #6. We also wouldn't have given up a 3rd rounder and $12M for 1 year of Brett Favre. It also means we would have had our first and second round draft picks to use in 2009 instead of blowing them both on Sanchez.

So just so I get this right, you would choose a 4-12 record in 2007 and:

• Vernon Gholston
• 1 year of Brett Favre
• Half a decade of Mark Sanchez

instead of a 3-13 record in 2007 and:

• Matt Ryan
• 2009 first round pick
• 2009 second round pick
• 2009 third round pick
• $12M in cap room not used on Favre.
• 3 players already under contract (Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Brett Ratliff)

With those extra picks, then we might have taken a WR in rounds 1-3 in 2009 (Harvin? Nicks? Wallace?) which means we may not have traded 3rd and 5th rounders in 2010 (and another $10M in cap space) for less than 2 seasons of Braylon Edwards. Or maybe, since we still would have a hole at OLB due to not drafting Gholston, we might have taken Clay Matthews.

Looks to me like it was a damn tragedy for the Jets to win that last game in 2007 when we were already eliminated.

Now what say you?

This just made me so sad. Never knew this.