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[Barton]

The Jets simply need more impact guys, including O-lineman.

[Matt39]

Chance Warmack at 9 is something the message boards would love but not exactly an amazing 1st pick for the just hired Idzik. No one takes guards at 9.

Dumb reasoning imo. If Warmack is a stud, who cares about the chart.

Draft value is absurd to begin with.

[jorge o8]

all i got to say is,same scout team SAME!

[bitonti]

Dumb reasoning imo. If Warmack is a stud, who cares about the chart.

Draft value is absurd to begin with.

it's not the value chart it's the salary. You don't need to pay a guard that much money when already paying Brick and Mangold. This isn't what you or I want done. I like Chance Warmack. The Jets don't need an 8 million dollar left guard. That's the conclusion that most rational personnel men would make. There's probably a better place to spend that money.

[SenorGato]

Are we sure that Geno Smith sucks?

No. I thought so too but turns out he's interesting.

[Ignatius del Sol]

Look at the difference between the Werner, Mingo, Moore, Jones tier of pass rushers and Margus Hunt or Malliciah Goodman. Dee Milliner and Johnathan Banks. Keenan Allen and everybody. Now tell me the difference between Warmack and Barrett Jones or Warford is even close. The top ten is for positions where the difference between a great prospect and a good one matters most. Guard isn't one of them.

[SenorGato]

The top 10 is supposed to be where the top 10 players in the draft.

Keep in mind that Iupati and DeCastro were in drafts with a way more loaded top 10. Three QBs worthy of going #1 in that year (Luck, RG3, and Bradford), multiple LT prospects (Okung, Williams, Davis, Kalil), a couple of very strong RB prospects (Spiller and TR), a few big time DTs and DBs (Suh, McCoy, Berry, Clairborne, Haden, Barron, Gilmore)....

That said, I'm not very into the idea of Warmack of top 10. The only reason I would understand it is if he is genuinely the best player on the board at the time.

[Matt39]

The top 10 is supposed to be where the top 10 players in the draft.

Keep in mind that Iupati and DeCastro were in drafts with a way more loaded top 10. Three QBs worthy of going #1 in that year (Luck, RG3, and Bradford), multiple LT prospects (Okung, Williams, Davis, Kalil), a couple of very strong RB prospects (Spiller and TR), a few big time DTs and DBs (Suh, McCoy, Berry, Clairborne, Haden, Barron, Gilmore)....

That said, I'm not very into the idea of Warmack of top 10. The only reason I would understand it is if he is genuinely the best player on the board at the time.

I dont think Mingo will make it to 9, who I think is awesome.

If its between Warmack and a not a sure thing pass rusher...Id go with the guy that can immediately transform our running game.

[slats]

People had coulds for Iupati and ifs for DeCastro too. Guards never go top ten.

Are you arguing with me? Because I don't disagree with you. I want no part of Warmack at #9, and little interest in any first round guard.

Just saying that in a draft that's weak at the top, particularly at QB, if there were a run on pass rushers, Warmack -a guard prospect getting the best reviews I can remember- could potentially be sitting there as the BAP at #9. To me, that's a little disasterous. I'd like the Jets to find a pass rusher there, but if they'd be reaching amongst what's left, and a guy like Warmack is actually the BAP at that point, then I'd hope the Jets would burn the phone lines down to trade down.

If you still think that somehow you're disagreeing with me, feel free to continue.

[Ignatius del Sol]

I dont think Mingo will make it to 9, who I think is awesome.

If its between Warmack and a not a sure thing pass rusher...Id go with the guy that can immediately transform our running game.

I think Werner, Mingo, Moore, Joeckel, Lotulelei, and Milliner are definitely gone. They all seem like easy picks or easy trades at 9. Somebody probably reaches on a quarterback and somebody probably clears Jones. One more and we're in business, two more and we have options.

If we whiff, Warmack is in the picture. Jets and Seahawks have done pretty well with Senior Bowl guys lately so maybe Fisher and Ansah. Allen and Lacy depending on how they run. People seem high on Ogletree lately. Bunch of interesting candidates for #2 DT if there's actually any chance of going back to that well.

[Ignatius del Sol]

If you still think that somehow you're disagreeing with me, feel free to continue.

Well, then, with your leave. The disagreement doesn't have anything to do with whether either of us wants to draft Warmack at 9. It has to do with your premise. Because guards never go top ten, framing the decision to trade down in terms of whether or not Warmack is the BPA at 9 is pointless.

Not really sure who you're trying to impress with the constant, comically unwarranted condescension. Pretty easy to tug on the cape now that I don't get to have fair fights.