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[jetsjetsjetss]

keeping someone longer who sucks is always worse.

[bitonti]

it's my understanding that the Jets don't restructure sanchez in 2012, they get no free agents and lose Pouha. With 6-10 in the rearview we say hey who cares, but going back to the time of the extension, it was a move to make the team as a whole better, for the upcoming season. thats what a GM should be doing. Idzik is going to make some of these restructures for example Harris and Mangold. It's team management. 

 

Tanny can't obviously tell others (or himself) that Sanchez was a failure and he doesn't know how to pick a QB. It's easier to blame the whole mess on an ill timed extension. I see that as a cop out.

 

the extension was a fine decision, considering his previous decisions. heck there's a sizable portion of the board that wants to restructure Sanchez again. The problem was the original 50 million dollar mistake. That really really high pick in rd 1 that he traded up for... is what got him fired. Not the extension. 

[unbanmadmike1]

everyone jumps on the extension as Tanny's big mistake. It wasn't a mistake at all. That money was coming to Sanchez anyway. It was a pure salary cap move. The mistake was drafting Sanchez to begin with. People think that somehow if Mark didn't get extended, the team would be better off. I don't really see how that's true. There's 1 year less of Mark, yes but there's also no Pouha, no Landry, no free agents at all. The jets would have been absolutely cap strapped with mark's salary 10+ mil in 2012.  The Jets would have no QB in 2013 when the QB draft class is   toilet bowl quality. in fact if the Sanchez extension prevents the Jets from being in the Geno Smith/Matt Barkley market then it's a blessing in disguise.

 

The extension was a neutral move. the original pick was the problem.  Let's be honest if Tanny doesn't extend Mark, and Mark has the same year,he's getting fired either way. No one says "hey at least that Tanny didn't extend Mark let's keep him for another year" The original sin was picking Mark. that's what got Tanny fired... not the extension. 

This is simply untrue. The 2013 potion of the contract was not guaranteed before the extension.

[HessStation]

that's probably all true but Sanchez gets the money either way.

also saying "alot of good it did" in hindsight isn't realistic. The GM has a duty to try to win. not rebuild. that goes for Idzik too. He's not gonna get a 3 year grace period. He's gonna have to win, soon.

The job of the GM is to have the foresight to make the right move. It's why they are there. You want to debate how much of it is fair or how much is just luck, fine. But it's about the bottom line and Tanny ****ed up twice. First, a you stated, for drafting him, Second for extending him. 0-2.

[unbanmadmike1]

I actually think the extension was worse than drafting him because it showed a TOTAL AND COMPLETE lack of self scouting and when you hear him justify it with horsesh*t like QB Wins as a stat, it's just unfathomable that a moron like that was allowed to run a football team for so long.

[kay_gee]

Drafting/extending Sanchez is just the biggest symptom of the underlying problem: Tannenbaum was completely unqualified to be the Jets GM. He knew almost nothing about football personnel and was no cap guru either. No matter what the Jets record turned out to be this past year, they were going to be in the same cap situation.

[CrazyCarl40]

"I would have never driven that boat so fast had I known about the iceberg." - Titanic Captain

[Bugg]

Lulza.  That dude was on it!

 

 

A lot of good that freed up cap space did...

Exactly. Cap space doesn't much matter if your QB blows.

Edited by Bugg, 14 February 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[The Crusher]

Tanny is in damage control mode so he can get a job. This is nothing but silly excuse making to defend what was and is always going to be a culmination of BONEHEADED decision making.

 

 

This time of year H&R block is looking for block heads just like him.

[SenorGato]

Not to fully excuse the extension, but the available QBs from 2013-2014 that the Jets could actually land are similarly garbage. Matt Moore is getting propped up as a real option here, that's how crappy the situation is. Geno Smith, a mid-sized QB from West Virginia of all schools, is probably the best QB the Jets will have the opportunity to land in the past two offseasons. Sanchez sucks, but really it's a sh*t situation all around. 

 

We can now hindsight something about how Russell Wilson of course...I'm sure this board would have been thrilled with the Jets picking a 5'11" QB with a third round pick last year (bc that matters). 

[JetsFanInDenver]

This time of year H&R block is looking for block heads just like him.

 

 

But even H&R needs guys who can balance the numbers,

[The Crusher]

But even H&R needs guys who can balance the numbers,

 

 

He could be a star at H&R block.  That could put his goofy mug on those commercials.  

[Larz]

just

shut

up

[neckdemon]

everyone jumps on the extension as Tanny's big mistake. It wasn't a mistake at all. That money was coming to Sanchez anyway. It was a pure salary cap move. The mistake was drafting Sanchez to begin with. People think that somehow if Mark didn't get extended, the team would be better off. I don't really see how that's true. There's 1 year less of Mark, yes but there's also no Pouha, no Landry, no free agents at all. The jets would have been absolutely cap strapped with mark's salary 10+ mil in 2012.  The Jets would have no QB in 2013 when the QB draft class is   toilet bowl quality. in fact if the Sanchez extension prevents the Jets from being in the Geno Smith/Matt Barkley market then it's a blessing in disguise.

 

The extension was a neutral move. the original pick was the problem.  Let's be honest if Tanny doesn't extend Mark, and Mark has the same year,he's getting fired either way. No one says "hey at least that Tanny didn't extend Mark let's keep him for another year" The original sin was picking Mark. that's what got Tanny fired... not the extension. 

lets not act like its set in stone that this years qb have no chance to do anything but suck. the draft is such an imperfect science that i find it slightly funny that all the draftniks and supposed draft gurus even get much recognition when they say this sh*t. the truth is that giving mark the extension has come back to bit this team and just like you said we had no choice but to draft the biggest bust this team has ever drafted you say we hads no choice but to give sanchez an extension. boith moves are big reasons why we suck today

[Jetsouth]

The interview was almost plausible until he said something about Gmac..who got sacked 11 times...cryin out loud.

[SenorGato]

Can I ask how the extension is coming back to bite this team? What was the great opportunity for 2012 they missed out on by keeping him around? Not seeing what McElroy or Tebow could do all year? Is the team really screwed out of finding a QB this offseason because Sanchez is here or is it really because there's no truly obvious choice?

Edited by SenorGato, 14 February 2013 - 07:18 PM.

[jason423]

Fwiw Sanchez received a raise in both cash and guarantees so it wasn't a net zero move. The jets paid him more mony to stay here over the same terms as his old deal. The bottom line is that I think they convinced themselves that he was Eli manning and that Eli's career was a normal progression. When Eli won a SB he got the richest contract in the game and Flacco is about to do the same. They thought they were getting Eli at 13 mil a year rather than the 21 mil a year Flacco will cost. Instead they got Joey Harrington for 13 mil a year because they refused to look at how bad he was. If they don't give him that deal tannenbaum still has a job

[SenorGato]

If they don't give him that deal tannenbaum still has a job

 

I'm not sure I agree with that. If Sanchez had a good season then Tannenbaum still has a job. I really think that they looked at who was out there to draft or sign at QB over 2012 and 2013 and saw it for what it was/is: a whole lot of question marks in the group of realistic candidates. 

 

At least that money being allocated to Sanchez means they can't go do something stupid like look at Alex Pennington. 

[dbatesman]

We can now hindsight something about how Russell Wilson of course...I'm sure this board would have been thrilled with the Jets picking a 5'11" QB with a third round pick last year (bc that matters).

"The fact that we could have had a franchise quarterback in the third round is irrelevant because non-Gato Jets fans wouldn't have been smart enough to appreciate the move at the time."

[SenorGato]

"The fact that we could have had a franchise quarterback in the third round is irrelevant because non-Gato Jets fans wouldn't have been smart enough to appreciate the move at the time."

 

"Franchise QB," and I would have been involved in the bitch fest.