T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Last two seasons under Rex: Record-- 11-17 Average margin of defeat--17.8 points 13 of 17 losses by double digits 8 of 17 losses by 20+ 2013 average margin of defeat: 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 This is new information. Lets go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Last two seasons under Rex: Record-- 11-17 Average margin of defeat--17.8 points 13 of 17 losses by double digits 8 of 17 losses by 20+ 2013 average margin of defeat: 20 Interestingly enough, the talent level has been terrible to pathetic in that same time frame. Not saying Rex should be extended or not, but what do you really expect with the worst roster in the league and without question the worst QB's in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 This is new information. Lets go with it. I wanted to preemptively put this out there to cut off the "Rex is a defensive genius so we're losing all of these games 13-10 probably" arguments that are forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Darrel Bevell is going to turn this thing around. He and Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I wanted to preemptively put this out there to cut off the "Rex is a defensive genius so we're losing all of these games 13-10 probably" arguments that are forthcoming. No one is arguing that. Your better bet would have been to go with the old "Rex has been here 5 years and THIS is the product being put on the field" shtick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Interestingly enough, the talent level has been terrible to pathetic in that same time frame. Not saying Rex should be extended or not, but what do you really expect with the worst roster in the league and without question the worst QB's in the league? I'd expect a good coach to develop talent. Think about the teams in the league you'd describe as most talented. Those teams are that talented because there's a bevy of third and fourth round picks that have been coached up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Which means Rex won 11 games and was competitive in 4 others. That's a total of 15 wins and almost wins, which would turn his record into 15-13 with the worst QB play in the NFL the last two seasons. EXTEND HIM NOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I wanted to preemptively put this out there to cut off the "Rex is a defensive genius so we're losing all of these games 13-10 probably" arguments that are forthcoming. No one makes this claim and the thread title sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 No one is arguing that. Your better bet would have been to go with the old "Rex has been here 5 years and THIS is the product being put on the field" shtick. I've got my six shooters ready, pard. I got bullets for all of yer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 No one makes this claim and the thread title sucks. Really? Because I keep reading what a great defensive mind he's been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'd expect a good coach to develop talent. Think about the teams in the league you'd describe as most talented. Those teams are that talented because there's a bevy of third and fourth round picks that have been coached up. This sounds good so it must be true. When I think top teams I think "bevy of third and fourth round picks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Really? Because I keep reading what a great defensive mind he's been here. That would be because he is. You went on to write more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Gotta agree with Gato on this because blow out losses does not undermind the claim that Rex is a great defensive mind. There are a myriad of reasons why the blowout happens, turnovers which is one reason and the Jets have been awful in the TO ratio because the O just loves giving the ball away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Darrel Bevell is going to turn this thing around. He and Idzik. Pardon me pony, but do you have any other tricks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Gotta agree with Gato on this because blow out losses does not undermind the claim that Rex is a great defensive mind. There are a myriad of reasons why the blowout happens, turnovers which is one reason and the Jets have been awful in the TO ratio because the O just loves giving the ball away. When I hear "great defensive coach," I think about a guy who can take a defense with six first rounders on it and keep the game within two TDs, regardless of how the offense is playing. I think of a defense that keeps opposing passers from notching 90+ passer ratings week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Pardon me pony, but do you have any other tricks? No tricks. I just think Mr. Magic Underpants is going to make us great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I'd expect a good coach to develop talent. Think about the teams in the league you'd describe as most talented. Those teams are that talented because there's a bevy of third and fourth round picks that have been coached up. As the saying goes, you can't make chicken salad out of chicked sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Rex is a good defensive mind. He's not great. Those people who think that we need to hold onto him because he is the greatest coach we've had in recent memory need their heads examined; he lost out a coaching job to John Harbaugh from the Eagles Special Teams unit. Great coaches don't have the multitude of locker room dysfunction, disregard of the offensive unit, blowout losses, and inconsistency that he does. He can be and must be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Rex is a good defensive mind. He's not great. Those people who think that we need to hold onto him because he is the greatest coach we've had in recent memory need their heads examined; he lost out a coaching job to John Harbaugh from the Eagles Special Teams unit. Great coaches don't have the multitude of locker room dysfunction, disregard of the offensive unit, blowout losses, and inconsistency that he does. He can be and must be replaced. Well just because the Ravens didn't see fit to hire him as the HC doesn't mean he can't also be a great defensive mind. The problem is that there have been many great coordinators who should never have been given a HC job, and some would argue Rex is one of those. Being a HC requires far more attention to detail outside of your area of expertise, and the ability to handle a variety of personalities. Dick LeBeau is a great DC but was a total failure as a HC. Same for Wade Phillips. And Norv Turner on offense. It's the Peter Principle in action. I think Rex can still be a good HC in this league, but he's definitely a FAR better DC. And an even better DL coach, as that's the title he held when he earned his Super Bowl ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 the pts for/pts against tally this year is -121. as in negative 121 so its an extremely misleading 5-7 record could easily be 1-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 the pts for/pts against tally this year is -121. as in negative 121 so its an extremely misleading 5-7 record could easily be 1-11 Only team worse in that category are the Jaguars. Who have won 3 of their last 4 since the bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Tomshane has honestly had this fraud Rex pegged for what he is better than anyone I've read,..not trying to get a reaction out of anyone it's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Well just because the Ravens didn't see fit to hire him as the HC doesn't mean he can't also be a great defensive mind. The problem is that there have been many great coordinators who should never have been given a HC job, and some would argue Rex is one of those. Being a HC requires far more attention to detail outside of your area of expertise, and the ability to handle a variety of personalities. Dick LeBeau is a great DC but was a total failure as a HC. Same for Wade Phillips. And Norv Turner on offense. It's the Peter Principle in action. I think Rex can still be a good HC in this league, but he's definitely a FAR better DC. And an even better DL coach, as that's the title he held when he earned his Super Bowl ring. And I get that, he is a specialist, not a generalist. He can do one thing well, but head coaches need to have a vision and delegate, need to hold folks accountable. He clearly cannot be the executive of the coaching staff that he needs to be, he doesn't even seem to have much of a vision and so why keep a person like that as a head coach? The vision is narrow- strong D and, what was the plan again for the offense? Power running? Except his third OC in five years is a West Coast guy? So is he reinventing himself, because it sounds like he just doesn't have a clue what the hell he wants to do with the offense. Defense has been almost entirely consistent in scheme and philosophy, which makes sense because he is a specialist, not a generalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Rex does suck and will probably be fired 3/4 of the roster sucks and will probably be fired Front office sucks and will probably be fired Geno will be out of fotball within 2 years Jets will start over again on another 3-5 year plan and maybe hire your man from seattle Maybe the jets will show some promise , even reach around for you, but they will fail because they won't be able to bring in the right fa's because no one wants to end up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 And I get that, he is a specialist, not a generalist. He can do one thing well, but head coaches need to have a vision and delegate, need to hold folks accountable. He clearly cannot be the executive of the coaching staff that he needs to be, he doesn't even seem to have much of a vision and so why keep a person like that as a head coach? The vision is narrow- strong D and, what was the plan again for the offense? Power running? Except his third OC in five years is a West Coast guy? So is he reinventing himself, because it sounds like he just doesn't have a clue what the hell he wants to do with the offense. Defense has been almost entirely consistent in scheme and philosophy, which makes sense because he is a specialist, not a generalist. Very well said, especially the narrow vision part...you get the feeling those two Ryan twin boobs were watching the Denver-KC game mocking two 9-2 teams saying.. " they'd never do this against MY defense".... The mentality will never change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 No coach would be doing much better with this offense. You can only have so many 3 and outs before the d cracks. But if we continue to get blown out someone has to take the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 the pts for/pts against tally this year is -121. as in negative 121 so its an extremely misleading 5-7 record could easily be 1-11 Or at best 3-9. If you just take the past 3 weeks, although really, you can take the entire body of work, the Jets are easily one of if not the worst team in the NFL right now, if not only for the fact that basically, they cannot score more than 10 points in a game and even that is a stretch right now. No matter how bad the other team is right now, if they put up 10 points against the Jets, they win. Its that simple. Its not often you see an NFL offense that is this horrendus. They are absolutely clueless on offense. Those wins by mirage are going to kill us come MAY, because we should easily have a top 3 pick with the performance of this team, but we will probably end up picking around 6 or 7 which may prevent us from getting one of the top 3 QB's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 What is maddening is defense is basically the negative of offense, meaning being a good defensive coach means you understand what will or will not work. Tom Laundry, Parcells and Bellicheat are guys who's first NFL jobs were as defensive coaches yet they understood offense. Like his dad, simply not the case with Wrecks. He still slipped in a "We stop the run" nonsense like it kinda makes things okay. It's infuriating that in the back of his dull mind that still somehow matters more than the team as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Gotta agree with Gato on this because blow out losses does not undermind the claim that Rex is a great defensive mind. There are a myriad of reasons why the blowout happens, turnovers which is one reason and the Jets have been awful in the TO ratio because the O just loves giving the ball away. Also you're offense screwing the pooch again and leaving the defense out there for 40 minutes. You cannot give him a pass on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Interestingly enough, the talent level has been terrible to pathetic in that same time frame. Not saying Rex should be extended or not, but what do you really expect with the worst roster in the league and without question the worst QB's in the league? Rex had a veteran team his first year, and the team was gifted into the playoffs by two teams with nothing to play for. I don't care how they did the next two games, they did not earn their way in. They should have finished 7-9. Second year he had better talent and did a good job all the way to the Pitt game. But the last 14 or 15 games have been trash, and to say he has done a good job is just wrong. He has earned a firing, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Rex had a veteran team his first year, and the team was gifted into the playoffs by two teams with nothing to play for. I don't care how they did the next two games, they did not earn their way in. They should have finished 7-9. Second year he had better talent and did a good job all the way to the Pitt game. But the last 14 or 15 games have been trash, and to say he has done a good job is just wrong. He has earned a firing, IMHO. Yes the last 15 games have been trash, along with a trash roster and worthless QB play. Sorry but no coach would be able to do much more this season with this roster and especially the QB play. As far as the first statement, I always find that a weak statement. The team won enough games to make the playoffs, nothing else really matters. They certainly played well in the playoffs to be a legitimate playoff team. Do you think the Seattle fans feel the same way going 7-9 and getting in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Yes the last 15 games have been trash, along with a trash roster and worthless QB play. Sorry but no coach would be able to do much more this season with this roster and especially the QB play. As far as the first statement, I always find that a weak statement. The team won enough games to make the playoffs, nothing else really matters. They certainly played well in the playoffs to be a legitimate playoff team. Do you think the Seattle fans feel the same way going 7-9 and getting in? we are talking about whether the coach did a good enough job to get them in. He did not. He needed divine assistance. Yes they play well when they got there. But they did not earn the right to get there. That is on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Tomshane has honestly had this fraud Rex pegged for what he is better than anyone I've read,..not trying to get a reaction out of anyone it's the truth. Thank you. I'm very smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 we are talking about whether the coach did a good enough job to get them in. He did not. He needed divine assistance. Yes they play well when they got there. But they did not earn the right to get there. That is on the coach. Honestly, Peyton Manning was hurt when the Jets beat the Colts in the 2010 post season. Manning missed the entire 2011 season including training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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