Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't know enough about college football to even hazard a guess but I think it's an interesting question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 This years draft a LOT stronger than last years'. With all the WR's and QB's this year, I think Geno would fall to the 3rd round. But that's OK, I think he was good value at where we selected him last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well last year there was a dearth of teams that had a pressing need for QB, or at least didn't think they had one. Cleveland, Minnesota, Jacksonville etc. were still working on the Weeden, Ponder, Gabbert projects. One could say he would go higher actually. Would he be drafted ahead of guys like Carr, Bortles, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It is tough to speculate. If you look at Geno's college numbers, they are equal to or better than Teddy Bridgewater's. The one area where Bridgewater is superior is in his running numbers, but we have seen that Geno can run as well. I would probably rank him third behind Bridgewater and McCarron and in front of the others. I know there is a lot of Blake Bortles love right now, but I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well last year there was a dearth of teams that had a pressing need for QB, or at least didn't think they had one. Cleveland, Minnesota, Jacksonville etc. were still working on the Weeden, Ponder, Gabbert projects. One could say he would go higher actually. Would he be drafted ahead of guys like Carr, Bortles, etc.? Good Point.... didn't think about the # of teams who have now given up on their "Project" QB's. Maybe he would have gone higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't like any of this years QBs so he fits right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It is tough to speculate. If you look at Geno's college numbers, they are equal to or better than Teddy Bridgewater's. The one area where Bridgewater is superior is in his running numbers, but we have seen that Geno can run as well. I would probably rank him third behind Bridgewater and McCarron and in front of the others. I know there is a lot of Blake Bortles love right now, but I don't see it. Ahead of johnny football? Granted im no scout but kid looks like real deal to these untrained eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Ahead of johnny football? Granted im no scout but kid looks like real deal to these untrained eyes. Someone is going to fall in love with him, but I think when he throws for scouts, there is going to be a lot of doubts about his arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCJETSFAN Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Geno wouldn't go till 3rd round scouts didn't like him at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 With hindsight, he probably wouldn't go to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 3rd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Someone is going to fall in love with him, but I think when he throws for scouts, there is going to be a lot of doubts about his arm strength. I don't see him making it out of the top 5. cleveland will draft him or trade with someone who wants him imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't know the answer, but this is a GREAT question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 With hindsight, he probably wouldn't go to the draft. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't know the answer, but this is a GREAT question. The answer is simple. He dropped to the 2nd round in the WORST QB draft in the past 20 years. This years class is loaded and he probably would be about the 10th QB at best off the board. Anything before the 3rd or 4th round for Geno this year would be a pipedream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Undrafted. WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 The answer is simple. He dropped to the 2nd round in the WORST QB draft in the past 20 years. This years class is loaded and he probably would be about the 10th QB at best off the board. Anything before the 3rd or 4th round for Geno this year would be a pipedream. If you look at last year's draft, it was also a bad year to BE a draft-eligible quarterback. The number of teams that were quarterback desperate were few and far between. There were more teams that "could use" a quarterback as opposed to "must have" one. Kind of the position we are in this year, which is why we're not taking one this year. Are we going to be revisionists and claim that Blake Bortles or Carr are considered better prospects than Geno was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The answer is simple. Wherever Tahj Boyd gets drafted; they're pretty much the same guy. Smith had his passing stats inflated by Tavon Austin and whats-his-name (Bailey?), and Boyd got his numbers from Watkins and that other dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The answer is simple. Wherever Tahj Boyd gets drafted; they're pretty much the same guy. Smith had his passing stats inflated by Tavon Austin and whats-his-name (Bailey?), and Boyd got his numbers from Watkins and that other dude. Geno would go in front of Tahj Boyd. He is a better downfield thrower than Boyd and is at least 3 inches taller than Boyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Geno would go in front of Tahj Boyd. He is a better downfield thrower than Boyd and is at least 3 inches taller than Boyd. That can't possibly be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If you look at last year's draft, it was also a bad year to BE a draft-eligible quarterback. The number of teams that were quarterback desperate were few and far between. There were more teams that "could use" a quarterback as opposed to "must have" one. Kind of the position we are in this year, which is why we're not taking one this year. Are we going to be revisionists and claim that Blake Bortles or Carr are considered better prospects than Geno was? I dont buy the "more teams need a QB" theory and here's why. If you are a legitimate prospect, teams that may be iffy will probably take you, as its very tough (obviously) to find a real Franchise guy, but if you are a so-so project like Geno obviously was and is, teams will find it easy to pass on you. I dont care what year a prospect like Bridgewater, or Luck, or RGIII etc go in, they will get drafted high because they are such a talent, and a guy like Geno, no matter how desperate teams may be, they may still pass on him, based on the fact, that he's just not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I dont buy the "more teams need a QB" theory and here's why. If you are a legitimate prospect, teams that may be iffy will probably take you, as its very tough (obviously) to find a real Franchise guy, but if you are a so-so project like Geno obviously was and is, teams will find it easy to pass on you. I dont care what year a prospect like Bridgewater, or Luck, or RGIII etc go in, they will get drafted high because they are such a talent, and a guy like Geno, no matter how desperate teams may be, they may still pass on him, based on the fact, that he's just not very good. How do you explain the 2011 draft? Ponder, Locker, Gabbert went in 5 picks from 9-13. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Rex Grossman, Heath Shuler.....the list goes on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I dont buy the "more teams need a QB" theory and here's why. If you are a legitimate prospect, teams that may be iffy will probably take you, as its very tough (obviously) to find a real Franchise guy, but if you are a so-so project like Geno obviously was and is, teams will find it easy to pass on you. I dont care what year a prospect like Bridgewater, or Luck, or RGIII etc go in, they will get drafted high because they are such a talent, and a guy like Geno, no matter how desperate teams may be, they may still pass on him, based on the fact, that he's just not very good. Okay, then I guess the onus is on you to furnish proof of your theory. Go to the list of teams drafting that year in the first round and tell me who they pass on instead of taking Blake Bortles or Carr. Tell me the teams that give up on second year first round QBs to take another QB instead of drafting a Luke Joeckel or someone else of that calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 ^ He said onus. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 a so-so project like Geno obviously was Geno was never considered a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 ^ He said onus. LOL LOL I meant anus. The anus is on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 The answer is simple. Wherever Tahj Boyd gets drafted; they're pretty much the same guy. Smith had his passing stats inflated by Tavon Austin and whats-his-name (Bailey?), and Boyd got his numbers from Watkins and that other dude. The answers is anything but simple. You have to consider the league-wide need for QBs this year, vs. last year. You have to consider the league-wide need for every other position this year, vs. last year... relative to the depth of talent in this draft, vs. last year's draft at EVERY position. You have to consider the overall depth at QB in this year's draft, vs. last year. You have to consider the offensive trends in the NFL this year, vs. last year and how Geno fits into them, vs. the guys in this year's draft. Ultimately it's a damn-near impossible thing to calculate... that said, I'm pretty much a genius, so I'm going to go with late 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I dont buy the "more teams need a QB" theory and here's why. If you are a legitimate prospect, teams that may be iffy will probably take you, as its very tough (obviously) to find a real Franchise guy, but if you are a so-so project like Geno obviously was and is, teams will find it easy to pass on you. I dont care what year a prospect like Bridgewater, or Luck, or RGIII etc go in, they will get drafted high because they are such a talent, and a guy like Geno, no matter how desperate teams may be, they may still pass on him, based on the fact, that he's just not very good. How do you explain the 2011 draft? Ponder, Locker, Gabbert went in 5 picks from 9-13. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Rex Grossman, Heath Shuler.....the list goes on and on. LOL Okay, then I guess the onus is on you to furnish proof of your theory. Go to the list of teams drafting that year in the first round and tell me who they pass on instead of taking Blake Bortles or Carr. Tell me the teams that give up on second year first round QBs to take another QB instead of drafting a Luke Joeckel or someone else of that calibre. LOL Geno was never considered a project. LOL At this point in the off-season, it's almost worth starting new threads just to watch the same people put on an exhibition of knowing nothing in different areas of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 LOL LOL LOL At this point in the off-season, it's almost worth starting new threads just to watch the same people put on an exhibition of knowing nothing in different areas of discussion. What did I say that was funny? Or am I misunderstanding your LOL's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 How do you explain the 2011 draft? Ponder, Locker, Gabbert went in 5 picks from 9-13. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Rex Grossman, Heath Shuler.....the list goes on and on. There's needy and then theirs blind faith DESPERATE. This is a classic example of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Okay, then I guess the onus is on you to furnish proof of your theory. Go to the list of teams drafting that year in the first round and tell me who they pass on instead of taking Blake Bortles or Carr. Tell me the teams that give up on second year first round QBs to take another QB instead of drafting a Luke Joeckel or someone else of that calibre. Isnt Geno a second year SECOND ROUND QB, not a 1st rounder? Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 There's needy and then theirs blind faith DESPERATE. This is a classic example of that. I guess, but you're in love with Manziel and he's more projecty than Geno was in terms of orthodoxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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