T0mShane Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Who's the best dime back of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 They're two entirely different positions, with different skillsets needed to succeed. Very few corner-backs are capable of playing both inside and outside, Revis being one of the few who could do both. Even if Wilson was locking down the outside as a #2, we'd still have to find someone capable of playing the inside. After Manning torched our secondary when he simply avoided Revis and Lito Shephad, it was obvious you needed three solid CBs to play in the AFC with Manning and Brady. While I agree the Jets had much larger expectations when drafting him, he's still a very solid player for us. As an outside CB, he is not ideal and obviously not worth the first round pick, but I would say he's clearly more than passable as a nickle back, considering he was the best one in the league. We basically agree on everything, except the relative value of Wilson as a nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Who's the best dime back of all time? Vance Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 not an all pro? i guess he sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 not an all pro? i guess he sucks Situational players usually aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 He sucks. Also, five years, zero Pro Bowlers. Take a garden hose, insert a golfball into the center. Take one end of the hose and hand it Kyle Wilson, the other goes to T0mShane. Who swallows the golfball? My guess is T0m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Take a garden hose, insert a golfball into the center. Take one end of the hose and hand it Kyle Wilson, the other goes to T0mShane. Who swallows the golfball? My guess is T0m. Will Wilson have help over the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Take a garden hose, insert a golfball into the center. Take one end of the hose and hand it Kyle Wilson, the other goes to T0mShane. Who swallows the golfball? My guess is T0m. Is it a Titleist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah and Antonio Cromartie was the #1 corner on the 3rd rated secondary. Now, apparently neither of them are any good, neither of them have ever been good and neither of them ever will be good. Go figure. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Take a garden hose, insert a golfball into the center. Take one end of the hose and hand it Kyle Wilson, the other goes to T0mShane. Who swallows the golfball? My guess is T0m. You can't actually suck a golf ball through a standard garden hose. Am allowed to post a link to a Craigslist add in my sig? I've got a barely used garden hose and a brand new box of Callaway's only missing one ball Id like to unload. I didn't see this covered in yesterday's ban thread. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Rex and Tanny bragged on that pick and his next play will be his FIRST. This is a guy who in FOUR YEARS has not yet learned to turn his head around to locate the football. He is pathetic, and is OVERRATED as a slot corner as well. and there it is. Rex likes him/drafted him = no redeeming football qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 There is quantitative analysis of CB or Nickle play, so go ahead and pretend like you have "facts" behind you. I will go by what I see on the field (agreed, opinion), and it isn't superlative, based on a $2m+ cap hit. Someone who knows how to navigate PFF can find it, he's consistently rated as one of the best nickel corners in the league by their metrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Someone who knows how to navigate PFF can find it, he's consistently rated as one of the best nickel corners in the league by their metrics. Can't find the exact link, but at one point in November he was leading the league with only 0.38 Yards/Cover Snap in the slot. Pretty sure it was by a wide margin as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 You can't actually suck a golf ball through a standard garden hose. Am allowed to post a link to a Craigslist add in my sig? I've got a barely used garden hose and a brand new box of Callaway's only missing one ball Id like to unload. I didn't see this covered in yesterday's ban thread. Thanks Who plays Calloways? Good luck selling those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Someone who knows how to navigate PFF can find it, he's consistently rated as one of the best nickel corners in the league by their metrics. See, I knew Rex raving about this kid wasnt all hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Can't find the exact link, but at one point in November he was leading the league with only 0.38 Yards/Cover Snap in the slot. Pretty sure it was by a wide margin as well. Which is really incredible considering what WR's are doing in the slot these days and that the corner typically doesnt have safety help and cant use the sidelines as a defender...but yeah, total bust and should be cut because he's not Richard Sherman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Kyle Wilson generous with his charity work, fans take opportunity to bash him. Tough crowd? If the POPE dropped a pass for the Jets, he'd be flooded with F-Bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Which is really incredible considering what WR's are doing in the slot these days and that the corner typically doesnt have safety help and cant use the sidelines as a defender...but yeah, total bust and should be cut because he's not Richard Sherman. Yeah he's great. Extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Someone who knows how to navigate PFF can find it, he's consistently rated as one of the best nickel corners in the league by their metrics. This. Shut up, Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah he's great. Extend. Probably should. Great cheap nickel corner familiar with the system. Solid player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 This. Shut up, Scott. Yup, $2m+ for a nickleback is awesome. And look at all the turnovers he causes. What we do without that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yup, $2m+ for a nickleback is awesome. And look at all the turnovers he causes. What we do without that? Shut up, Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Shut up, Scott. I reported this 5 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 What round did the Seahawks get their nickel back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah he's great. Extend. I would. Right after I kicked you in the knee caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I would. Right after I kicked you in the knee caps. You're so lucky the JN Personal Attack Policy (JNPAP) doesn't apply to me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 You're so lucky the JN Personal Attack Policy (JNPAP) doesn't apply to me: Hah hah you and Rex Ryan are the teflon men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 29th pick in the first round. Rated #1 at his position. Who needs a Hello Kitty tissue to wipe their sensitive ducts because he's a "first rounder"? (I'm looking at you T0m) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 What round did the Seahawks get their nickel back in? I think Thurmond went in the 4th round, but last year they were using former #11 overall Marcus Trufant who was playing out his huge contract (took a cut at some point I believe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Except that's not true. Has he proven to be worthy of the first round selection? No. Has he proven to be valuable as a nickel/#2 type CB? Yes, he has. Add .05 and you might be on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 29th pick in the first round. Rated #1 at his position. Who needs a Hello Kitty tissue to wipe their sensitive ducts because he's a "first rounder"? (I'm looking at you T0m) :Finger wag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 29th pick in the first round. Rated #1 at his position. Who needs a Hello Kitty tissue to wipe their sensitive ducts because he's a "first rounder"? (I'm looking at you T0m) Tim Tebow was the #1 rated punt protector and you a$$hole wouldn't even give him a tryout.......... double standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Hah hah you and Rex Ryan are the teflon men. and it's ironic how much they hate each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 and it's ironic how much they hate each other Opposites attract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Kyle Wilson sucking necessitated extending Cro and drafting Milliner. when Rex Ryan was hired, Ozzie Newsome made a comment that Rex is desperate for CBs. It's been pretty accurate prediction. The bottom line is Rex can't get enough CBs for his D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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