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Oh, I do, but I think the fact that he didn't just look down his list of WRs after Austin was picked and take the next guy is pretty revealing as to his philosophy. It seems he's married to BPA.

 

Well, he wasn't going to reach for one. I don't expect him to reach for a WR or a CB this year either. I don't think whoever is probably going to be available to the Jets will be seen as a reach.

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If you look at last year's draft, Idzik went with CB at 9, which was an obvious need after Revis was traded, so we can assume that he valued him more than Richardson, who he took four picks later.

 

The Jets also wanted Tavon Austin and he would have been the pick at 9 had the Rams not leap-frogged them. Another need.

 

The draft, conceivably (in a perfect world where 10,11,12 don't take Milliner) would have been Austin at 9 and then Milliner at 13 (if he had still been there).

 

Is that truly BPA? Or just a lucky coincidence that the BPA's match the need?

 

Except Milliner wasn't the only CB rated in the top 13.  If they had Milliner rated lower than Richardson I'm still convinced they'd have taken Richardson.  Then they could have taken a CB at #13, or trade down from #13 to take one ranked a few slots lower, or trade up from round 2, or stay pat in round 2 to take one, or any number of things.

 

The Jets weren't locked into CB at #9, as you note it seems Austin would have been the pick if he was there.

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Exactly, Landry was better in college and will be better in the nfl.

And the the kick/punt returner thing kills me. If a gm takes one player over another because of his ability in the return game, he should be fired on the spot. Wasn't Revis and Wilson supposed to be great returners too.

Draft the best players in the early rounds, get your returners in the 7th or Free agency

and kick returns are pretty much obsolete.

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The JETS had a lot of position last year where talent was seriously lacking.  So in the first round if the JETS picked QB, WR, TE, CB (which they did), S, OG it would have all looked need based picks.

 

Millner was rated between 7-10 positions on most boards listed in the media. So it was not a need based reach but more of a BPA pick.

 

And the fact that the JETS picked up Richardson at #13 which was one of the non-need position for the JETS shows Idzik was married to BPA.

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DB is this team's greatest need.....Denard or Gilbert at 18 ..if they're gone then trade back and grab

 

round 1 QB Garrapolo. 

round 2 WR Jordan Matthews.

round 3   S Deone Bucannon,

round 3 CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste  (xtra pick for moving back in rd 1)

round 4  G Dakota Dozier

round 4 LB Chris Smith

round 4  TE C.J. Fiedorowicz

round 5 RB/WR Dri Archer

round 6 ILB Yawin Smallwood

round 6 OLB Carlos Fields

round 6 WR  Brandon Coleman

round 6 OT Kevin Pamphile 

round 7 P Tom Hornsey

 

 

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The JETS had a lot of position last year where talent was seriously lacking.  So in the first round if the JETS picked QB, WR, TE, CB (which they did), S, OG it would have all looked need based picks.

 

Millner was rated between 7-10 positions on most boards listed in the media. So it was not a need based reach but more of a BPA pick.

 

And the fact that the JETS picked up Richardson at #13 which was one of the non-need position for the JETS shows Idzik was married to BPA.

 

Well. luckily enough for us BPA will also be at a position we need.

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Seriously, given the lack of receiving talent and no real dominant running back (not to mention the fact that he was a rookie who wasn't even supposed to be the starter until week 3 of the preseason)  I think Geno Smith did phenomenally well in his rookie year. I am looking forward to seeing how much he progressed next season. 

 

Jury's still out on Dee Milliner. He was very much up and down last season, didn't seem to have trouble with technique for some of the season, and got burned more than a few times. Still, he did make some very good plays and came on at the end. Dee Richardson had 3 1/2 sacks last season. He will be good - he will be outstanding so long and Idzik doesn't fumble the ball on the goal line when it comes to re-signing Wilkerson, much like he fumbled the ball with the cornerback situation this off-season. Teams will probably stack up against Mo, freeing up Richardson and Coples.  

 

I thought Brian Winters also showed flashes last season, and I think he's going to be a good player next season. 

 

 

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Cimmini is really lost, trolling around like fool, after the draft he will

look like a complete idiot, the Jets have him completely fooled, so that in

itself is a good thing, I'd be surprised if anyone we want in round one is

around after 15, Ebron wr ect,,, there may be a s or cb. but that would be

so boring.

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I would not take Ebron at 18. Take Cooks or Beckham jr. or Dennard at 18. From a BPA perspective, Ebron is probably long gone before 18, but I can't see the jets taking him at 18 when they still need a#1 reciever to stretch the field and they need a #1 CB to go along with Milliner.

 

in the 2nd round i would like to see Amaro or a CB/WR (depending on which one we did not take in rd 1.

 

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Cimmini is really lost, trolling around like fool, after the draft he will

look like a complete idiot, the Jets have him completely fooled, so that in

itself is a good thing, I'd be surprised if anyone we want in round one is

around after 15, Ebron wr ect,,, there may be a s or cb. but that would be

so boring.

 

You'd be surprised if anybody we want is around after 15?  People here have called for - Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Carr, Watkins (trade up), Evans, Lee, Ebron, Cooks, Beckham, Martin, Barr, Pryor, Clinton-Dix and Dennard.  For those guys all to be gone by 15 these guys are on the board - Clowney, Mack, Matthews, Robinson, Gilbert, Jernigan, Lewan (actually Gato has been screaming for him too) and Roby. Somebody here has been advocating for the pick we are going to make.  

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You'd be surprised if anybody we want is around after 15? People here have called for - Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Carr, Watkins (trade up), Evans, Lee, Ebron, Cooks, Beckham, Martin, Barr, Pryor, Clinton-Dix and Dennard. For those guys all to be gone by 15 these guys are on the board - Clowney, Mack, Matthews, Robinson, Gilbert, Jernigan, Lewan (actually Gato has been screaming for him too) and Roby. Somebody here has been advocating for the pick we are going to make.

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I was thinking Norwood would be a great mid-late round value but in the 3rd round?

This is the only thought I had about the article.

In this mock Rutgers' Brandon Coleman (Scouts Inc. Grade: 72) and Wyoming's Robert Herron (Scouts Inc. Grade: 70) are the alternatives. So without knowing the other selections it safe to assume WRs flew off the board in the picks prior to our 3 round selection.

latest bullsh*t is Roby or Fuller go higher than Gilbert or Dennard. And it honestly wouldn't be that surprising. They are late 1's at worst and this tends to happen with corners where their values are impossible to pin down (look at Milliner last year for example). 

 

The draft is often a situation where teams do dumb things and players who shouldn't fall do in fact fall.

NFL personnel guy on Sport Centers said that's often the case as NFL coaches don't start evaluating these prospect till later on in the process and for the most part internet/non football guys are the one throwing around these evaluation. So when you see guy surge up or down it's more so due to the prominent NFL feedback coming in that totally conflicts with the past info. But with that said some dump. things are in fact done.

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Three bold draft moves to propel the Jets

Rex Ryan took the Jets to the AFC Championship Game his first two seasons as their head coach, winning two playoff games each of those years. One of those playoff wins was a 28-21 victory over the Patriots in Foxborough in 2010. It seemed unlikely at the time, but the Jets would not build on that success, but instead go on to finish 8-8 in 2011 and 6-10 in 2012.

There was speculation that they would let Ryan go and make it a clean sweep when they fired general manager Mike Tannenbaum following that disappointing 2012 season. Instead, they retained Ryan, but the speculation picked up again during last year's 8-8 season.

Following a 23-3 loss to the Dolphins in December of last year, ESPN New York Jets reporter Rich Cimini felt Ryan needed to win two of the last four games to keep his job, and Cimini didn't seem optimistic about it happening coming off that performance.

The Jets won three of the last four games, and Ryan ended up signing a multiyear extension, but his salary is only guaranteed through the 2015 season, so making a coaching change wouldn't be cost prohibitive.

So, can the Jets be a team that seemingly comes out of nowhere to make a deep playoff run and validate the decision to keep Ryan?

Second-year general manager John Idzik has been active in free agency, adding quarterback Michael Vick, wide receiver Eric Decker, wide receiver Jacoby Ford, offensive tackle Breno Giacomini, corner Dimitri Patterson and most recently running back Chris Johnson.

The Jets also hit it big in when they got defensive rookie of the year in defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson out of Missouri at No. 13 last year.

However, the jury is still very much out on three of the Jets' four picks from last year's draft as ninth overall pick corner Dee Milliner, second-round pick quarterback Geno Smith and third-round pick offensive guard Brian Winters all had their struggles.

Vick provides insurance when it comes to Smith, but Milliner and Winters need to elevate their game, and the Jets need help from this year's draft to get where they want to go.

Todd McShay and Mel Kiper both have the Jets taking Oregon State wide receiver Brandin Cooks* (Scouts Inc. Grade: 91) in the first round and Washington tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins* (Scouts Inc. Grade: 83) in the second round in their latest mock drafts. (You can check out McShay's mock here. Kiper's mock is here.)

Jets fans should be happy with those picks but it's not the only way to go about it.

Here's my blueprint for the Jets to get back into contention with their top three picks this year and it's more of a defensive approach. As always, draft-eligible non-seniors have been denoted with an asterisk.

Round 1: Pick 18 -– Ohio State corner Bradley Roby* (Scouts Inc. Grade: 89)

As Cimini points out in another post the Jets "cut Antonio Cromartie, made unsuccessful bids for free agents Vontae Davis and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and showed no interest in reacquiring Darrelle Revis" after Tampa Bay released him.

Patterson improves depth but he is a 30-year old journeyman coming off a season-ending groin injury and ideally he's a No. 3.

Jets' fans may be wary about them taking another corner in the first considering Milliner's disappointing rookie season and 2010 first-round pick Kyle Wilson hasn't come close to living up to expectations.

Robey is inconsistent and a bit of a reach too, which doesn't ease those concerns. That said he's a quick-twitch athlete with good speed and outstanding man-to-man cover skills, which makes him a perfect fit for Ryan's scheme. He also has the potential to develop into a playmaker.

In a perfect world, the Jets trade back and pick up Robey -- or hope Darqueze Dennard (Scouts Inc. Grade: 91) out of Michigan State falls to them. Dennard is steadier and also a good fit but the Jets should take Robey if they get stuck at No. 18 and the top two corners on our board have already been picked.

Round 2: Pick 49 -– Northern Illinois safety Jimmie Ward (Scouts Inc. Grade: 83)

Safeties Antonio Allen and 31-year old Dawan Landry are better against the run than they are in coverage. Re-signing free agent Ed Reed isn't the answer, either. He turns 36 in September, and age had caught up to the future Hall of Famer before last year.

McShay has Baltimore taking Ward a pick ahead of the Jets, and Kiper has the Rams taking him at pick No. 44, so he's in that range and could slip to them. Moving up a couple picks to get him may be worth it too.

Ward is a playmaker with the cover skills to match up with slot receivers and the speed to play a centerfielder-type role making him a good fit for the Jets. While he doesn't have great size at 5-foot-10] and 193 pounds, he's above-average in run support.

If Washington State's Deone Bucannon (Scouts Inc. Grade: 85) is there, he too would be an excellent pick up.

Round 3: Pick 80 –- Alabama receiver Kevin Norwood (Scouts Inc. Grade: 68)

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AP Photo/Dave MartinAlabama wide receiver Kevin Norwood could help the Jets offense stretch the field.

A second-round pick in 2012, Stephen Hill has missed a total of nine games over his first two seasons, and his speed hasn't shown up enough when he's been on the field. Plus, the Jets cut Santonio Holmes, so this remains a pressing need despite the addition of Decker and Ford.

One of the reasons I have the Jets waiting to take a receiver is the depth of the WR class. I think there will be good value at receiver when they pick in the third. Rutgers' Brandon Coleman (Scouts Inc. Grade: 72) is a massive target with enough speed to stretch the field and Wyoming's Robert Herron (Scouts Inc. Grade: 70) is an explosive slot receiver who can turn a catch underneath into a long gain.

Both could be on the board and grade out higher than Norwood, but Norwood's stock has been rising, and again, he's a good fit. At 6-foot-2 and 198, he can separate underneath, he isn't afraid to do the dirty work over the middle and he has outstanding ball skills. He doesn't play quite as fast as his timed speed, but he ran a 4.48 40 at the combine, so he's fast enough to make some plays downfield too.

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Roby just pulled a Goodson move and was caught dead drunk at the wheel of a car. Possible suspension problems. Rather see Gilbert at that spot. Move up if necessary. I also would like Clinton-Dix.

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Roby just pulled a Goodson move and was caught dead drunk at the wheel of a car. Possible suspension problems. Rather see Gilbert at that spot. Move up if necessary. I also would like Clinton-Dix.

 

wasn't drunk.  check the thread on it

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1st - WR Beckham

2nd - SS Ward

3rd (trade up) - TE Niklas

 

 

Then address CBs and OG with the later picks.

Beck won't be there at 18, would have to trade up, Marquise may be available at 18,

therein lies the dilemma. Trade up for a wr, and a TE ? sounds like Tanny.

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Beck won't be there at 18, would have to trade up, Marquise may be available at 18,

therein lies the dilemma. Trade up for a wr, and a TE ? sounds like Tanny.

 

the teams that are competitive year after year stay put and pick the BAP

 

sounds like idzik

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