Lots of hate for Idzik today on a national level

[AFJF]

Wow...not a Stephen A. Smith fan but just saw him trash Idzik on ESPN, then saw this article come up on twitter from King's MMQB.  Unless he told Woody ahead of time that the team was going to suck for the next couple of seasons, he may find himself out of the job after only one true off-season based on how cash-strapped they were last year.

 

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/06/new-york-jets-mess-rex-ryan-john-idzik/

[RutgersJetFan]

The free agency critique is still dumb. But the Jets have absolutely no good young players coming up at positions of need. One good OL prospect when we need at least 4. No young LBs when we are in need of at least 2. The Jets have needed young talent in those particular areas for years, ever since Tannenbaum, and Idzik has done a really bad job in building a new foundation across the board. The Jets had a ton of draft picks over the past 2 years, 12 total picks in the first 5 rounds, which is where you find talent, and it's looking like only 5 of those guys will actually be on the team in the years to come, with maybe 2 becoming anything better than average. Being frugal with free agents doesn't murder a ball club, bad drafting does. Signing James Jones and DRC would not have changed any of that. These are problems that would have gotten exposed regardless because the bottom fell out of this draft class very quickly.

 

We are in for a long couple years. The Jets need to hit grand slams in the next several drafts to make up for this, otherwise things are not going to get better for quite a while.

[joewilly12]

Idzik blew the 2014 draft no ifs ands or buts

[The Crusher]

The free agency critique is still dumb. But the Jets have absolutely no good young players coming up at positions of need. One good OL prospect when we need at least 4. No young LBs when we are in need of at least 2. The Jets have needed young talent in those particular areas for years, ever since Tannenbaum, and Idzik has done a really bad job in building a new foundation across the board. The Jets had a ton of draft picks over the past 2 years, 12 total picks in the first 5 rounds, which is where you find talent, and it's looking like only 5 of those guys will actually be on the team in the years to come, with maybe 2 becoming anything better than average. Being frugal with free agents doesn't murder a ball club, bad drafting does. Signing James Jones and DRC would not have changed any of that. These are problems that would have gotten exposed regardless because the bottom fell out of this draft class very quickly.

 

We are in for a long couple years. The Jets need to hit grand slams in the next several drafts to make up for this, otherwise things are not going to get better for quite a while.

 

 

Please allow the less rational fans to tell me how bad the Jets will be in the future. I tend to believe it when you say it, so stop it. Thanks.

[bitonti]

Idzik blew the 2014 draft no ifs ands or buts

 

yup and it was 12 picks in a historically deep draft. Teams get 7 picks a year 2014 is almost two whole drafts worth of failure. 

[joewilly12]

yup and it was 12 picks in a historically deep draft. Teams get 7 picks a year 2014 is almost two whole drafts worth of failure. 

Woody needs to grow some and fire him

[AFJF]

yup and it was 12 picks in a historically deep draft. Teams get 7 picks a year 2014 is almost two whole drafts worth of failure. 

 

Idzik blew it, but let's be fair...two whole drafts woule be two picks in every round...not five or six picks in rounds 5-7.

[JiFtheOracle]

It's deserved. 21 picks and a boat load of cash and the guy is rolling out the worst roster in the NFL.

This season was all about evaluating your Head Coach and young QB and he completely failed at doing anything to help them and get a proper analysis.

He's an utter failure.

[The Crusher]

It's deserved. 21 picks and a boat load of cash and the guy is rolling out the worst roster in the NFL.

This season was all about evaluating your Head Coach and young QB and he completely failed at doing anything to help them and get a proper analysis.

He's an utter failure.

 

 

He is  the guy that walks out of the strip club with a pocket full of money and blue balls.

[bitonti]

Idzik blew it, but let's be fair...two whole drafts woule be two picks in every round...not five or six picks in rounds 5-7.

 

yeah well i said almost.... he did have 2 first round picks last year... fwiw

[RutgersJetFan]

Please allow the less rational fans to tell me how bad the Jets will be in the future. I tend to believe it when you say it, so stop it. Thanks.

 

To be fair I think this is very fixable. One great draft class has the ability to turn a franchise around. Happened with us in '06. It's all on Woody, if he comes to the realization that the entire FO is overwhelmed and needs to be flipped with competent people brought in, we may be OK. The good thing about being a bad team in the NFL is that the nature of the league works in your favor because of the degree of parity. That has changed a ton in recent years because of how everything shifted towards quarterbacks, but every team can still fix things very quickly as long as the right decisions are made.

 

I just have no faith in Woody, which is why I think we're screwed.

[AFJF]

yeah well i said almost.... he did have 2 first round picks last year... fwiw

 

He did, and again..I don't like the guy, but being fair...it yielded a DROY, and Milliner looked good again yesterday so those may turn out to be his two best picks.  Not saying I'm sold on Milliner yet, but he's shown the ability you hope for when you take a guy that high.  Now it's a matter of him staying healthy and being consistent.

[joewilly12]

He is  the guy that walks out of the strip club with a pocket full of money and blue balls.

No he's the guy who sits in his car and masturbates when he sees the girls come outside for a smoke

[bitonti]

He did, and again..I don't like the guy, but being fair...it yielded a DROY, and Milliner looked good again yesterday so those may turn out to be his two best picks.  Not saying I'm sold on Milliner yet, but he's shown the ability you hope for when you take a guy that high.  Now it's a matter of him staying healthy and being consistent.

 

If the Jets wanted a GM who could only pick first rounders with any success and throw away the rest of the draft, they could have kept Tanny.  At least Tanny knew he couldn't pick late rounders and traded up. Idzik kept all his picks and flushed em down the toilet. 

[The Crusher]

To be fair I think this is very fixable. One great draft class has the ability to turn a franchise around. Happened with us in '06. It's all on Woody, if he comes to the realization that the entire FO is overwhelmed and needs to be flipped with competent people brought in, we may be OK. The good thing about being a bad team in the NFL is that the nature of the league works in your favor because of the degree of parity. That has changed a ton in recent years because of how everything shifted towards quarterbacks, but every team can still fix things very quickly as long as the right decisions are made.

 

I just have no faith in Woody, which is why I think we're screwed.

 

 

So every other team in the league has a chance to turn it around year to year except for the one owned by Woody Johnson?  Damn, I need a snack.

[Green DNA]

They need to overhaul the scouting department.  How Terry Bradway is still around with his utter failure to identify any mid-round talent is baffling.

[RutgersJetFan]

So every other team in the league has a chance to turn it around year to year except for the one owned by Woody Johnson?  Damn, I need a snack.

 

I'd throw Stephen Ross and Mark Davis in there as well. Maybe Snyder also. All megalomaniacs who have no idea what they're doing and refuse to accept it.

[DonCorleone]

Wow...not a Stephen A. Smith fan but just saw him trash Idzik on ESPN, then saw this article come up on twitter from King's MMQB.  Unless he told Woody ahead of time that the team was going to suck for the next couple of seasons, he may find himself out of the job after only one true off-season based on how cash-strapped they were last year.

 

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/06/new-york-jets-mess-rex-ryan-john-idzik/

Thanks for sharing the article...Good find.

[JetsFanInDenver]

I didnt read the article. I wont give much credit to the SI article. That MMQB panel is led by Peter King. So essentially they are ready to lick Belichick's balls and thrash the JETS at every opportunity.

 

Idzik did have a plan.. He inherited a salary cap mess with roster that was so depleted it was considered the worst in the NFL. The plan was to build through the draft and improve the salary cap situation and spend it when it looked the JETS were ready to be a contender. The plan was great. But for the plan to pan out the JETS had to draft successfully. Upgrade the talent at many positions. It had to be talent over need.

 

Idzik seemed to do just that to a large part in his first draft. But i think he lost the plot in his second draft. There is no way MacDougal is BPA in the 3rd round. And this was the pivot where the JETS really lost the plot. MacDougal did not deserve a 3rd round pick. Was Saunders worthy of a 4th round pick OR Evans worthy of the other fourth round pick OR the fifth round pick wasted on Jeremiah George. These picks had the scent of NEED and even when it comes to need did not reflect the best pick at that position.

 

The 3rd and the 5th round pick and  even the first round pick reeked of Rex's influence.The JETS could have got Gabe Jackson with the 3rd round pick, Still got MacDougal with one of the 4th round picks and heck even got a starting caliber OLB to replace Pace in the 4th or 5th rounds.But now the JETS draft is in shambles. It may still turn out ok with some picks having the potential to contribute next season.

 

As far as free agency is concerned on hindsight I would have liked to have another WR signed like Hakkem Nicks. I won't blame him for the not overpaying for a veteren CB.

 

Another thing the JETS have not done and that because they make their fans pay thru their teeth, but JETS have to managed expectations.  So end of the day its a poor draft where with 12 picks the JETS seriously had a chance to upgrade the roster and no attempt to manage expectations that open up Idzik for criticism. On top of that not being able to develop Geno has added to the futility of this season.

 

But removing Idzik would be a classic case of throwing the baby with the bathwater. For the first time in the last decade and half it has looked that the JETS have a plan. And the way Idzik has operated means any setbacks does not set the organization back by half a decade. The risk is limited. The good news is JETS have the cap space and all their draft picks for next time around. If the JETS draft BPA all thru the draft and focus on acquiring talent at reasonable prices in the FA period this team may still not be far away from contending. So letting Idzik go or drifting away from that plan would be futile.

[joewilly12]

Idzik's plan was to resign the slow and aging LB Calvin Pace and sign Jason Babin and you want to see what else he has in store for this team? Really?

[The Crusher]

I'd throw Stephen Ross and Mark Davis in there as well. Maybe Snyder also. All megalomaniacs who have no idea what they're doing and refuse to accept it.

 

 

I do take solace I live outside DC and they have a garbage owner too.  Should be ashmaed that makes me fell better, but Im not. 

[JiFtheOracle]

He is  the guy that walks out of the strip club with a pocket full of money and blue balls.

 

I usually walk out broke with wet pants.

 

To each his own, I guess. 

[AFJF]

If the Jets wanted a GM who could only pick first rounders with any success and throw away the rest of the draft, they could have kept Tanny.  At least Tanny knew he couldn't pick late rounders and traded up. Idzik kept all his picks and flushed em down the toilet. 

Agreed...but as I said...just being fair.  Collectively, it looks like he's absolutely horrilble at his job.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Idzik's plan was to resign the slow and aging LB Calvin Pace and sign Jason Babin and you want to see what else he has in store for this team? Really?

 

Antawn Barnes recovery or lack of it meant that the JETS had to sign Babin. Not sure where Antawn Barnes is with his recovery but he maybe available for later part of the season.

[SpartanJet]

Someone posted this on a previous thread but its just about the perfect rant about Rex from Cowherd

 

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11653472

[Warfish]

Everyone wants to trash Idzik, because Idzik is a faceless boring office drone, and is not winning a title in his 2nd year after being forced to keep Rex and many of "Rex's guys".

Everyone (seems, IMO) to want to protect Rex Ryan, the REAL problem of this franchise today, because he is a like-able, entertaining clown-car of a quote-dropping car wreck, because he's fun, he sells NY papers and he wins over gullible fans who like rah rah college-style bullsh*t.

It's a joke.

The problem is not how the team is built the last year and a half or planned going forward, or how we operated last offseason, we operated the right way, signing BAP veterans at positions of need (#2 QB, #1WR, #1RB), and drafting to fill other positions considered to be lesser need (#2 CB, #1 Safety, #3/#4 WR). we didn't overspend, we didn't go all Dan Snyder, we held back some to build for the future while trying to put a competitor on the field now.

Had Geno not been a total crock of sh*t, we might just have been ok. Had we not lost BOTH Milliner and the Rookie CB, we might have been ok.

It's the clown Head Coach, and the 2nd round pick nobody QB that was best available in a bad lot and forced to play because Rex's OTHER guy was such a colossal failure.

It's stunning to me the mass-effort to protect Rex from Rex's record, and to blame anyone and everyone for the problems OTHER than the guy most culpable for them, Rex Ryan.

[JiFtheOracle]

I didnt read the article. I wont give much credit to the SI article. That MMQB panel is led by Peter King. So essentially they are ready to lick Belichick's balls and thrash the JETS at every opportunity.

 

Idzik did have a plan.. He inherited a salary cap mess with roster that was so depleted it was considered the worst in the NFL. The plan was to build through the draft and improve the salary cap situation and spend it when it looked the JETS were ready to be a contender. The plan was great. But for the plan to pan out the JETS had to draft successfully. Upgrade the talent at many positions. It had to be talent over need.

 

Idzik seemed to do just that to a large part in his first draft. But i think he lost the plot in his second draft. There is no way MacDougal is BPA in the 3rd round. And this was the pivot where the JETS really lost the plot. MacDougal did not deserve a 3rd round pick. Was Saunders worthy of a 4th round pick OR Evans worthy of the other fourth round pick OR the fifth round pick wasted on Jeremiah George. These picks had the scent of NEED and even when it comes to need did not reflect the best pick at that position.

 

The 3rd and the 5th round pick and  even the first round pick reeked of Rex's influence.The JETS could have got Gabe Jackson with the 3rd round pick, Still got MacDougal with one of the 4th round picks and heck even got a starting caliber OLB to replace Pace in the 4th or 5th rounds.But now the JETS draft is in shambles. It may still turn out ok with some picks having the potential to contribute next season.

 

As far as free agency is concerned on hindsight I would have liked to have another WR signed like Hakkem Nicks. I won't blame him for the not overpaying for a veteren CB.

 

Another thing the JETS have not done and that because they make their fans pay thru their teeth, but JETS have to managed expectations.  So end of the day its a poor draft where with 12 picks the JETS seriously had a chance to upgrade the roster and no attempt to manage expectations that open up Idzik for criticism. On top of that not being able to develop Geno has added to the futility of this season.

 

But removing Idzik would be a classic case of throwing the baby with the bathwater. For the first time in the last decade and half it has looked that the JETS have a plan. And the way Idzik has operated means any setbacks does not set the organization back by half a decade. The risk is limited. The good news is JETS have the cap space and all their draft picks for next time around. If the JETS draft BPA all thru the draft and focus on acquiring talent at reasonable prices in the FA period this team may still not be far away from contending. So letting Idzik go or drifting away from that plan would be futile.

 

Whats the plan?  The have a lame duck Head Caoch, the team has zero identity, no impact players and they still dont have a viable player quarterbacking the football.

 

And the good news, is the same good news the Jets had this offseason.  12 picks, boat load of cash and they walked away with a injury prone Eric Decker. Yay!!!!  What a plan! 

[faba]

Idzik deserves the blame for right now a terrible draft this year.  Whiffing on  a draft is not good in any sport to be competitive. Rex is a likeable guy- have some beers with that is one reason some like him no matter what.

[CTM]

Well deserved

[NJ]

They need to overhaul the scouting department.  How Terry Bradway is still around with his utter failure to identify any mid-round talent is baffling.

Jalen Saunders  ..... what the fu_k?

Was that an attempt at catching lightning in a bottle?

It was a fart in a space suit ...

[IPBanBadPosters]

Everyone wants to trash Idzik, because Idzik is a faceless boring office drone, and is not winning a title in his 2nd year after being forced to keep Rex and many of "Rex's guys".

Everyone (seems, IMO) to want to protect Rex Ryan, the REAL problem of this franchise today, because he is a like-able, entertaining clown-car of a quote-dropping car wreck, because he's fun, he sells NY papers and he wins over gullible fans who like rah rah college-style bullsh*t.

It's a joke.

The problem is not how the team is built the last year and a half or planned going forward, or how we operated last offseason, we operated the right way, signing BAP veterans at positions of need (#2 QB, #1WR, #1RB), and drafting to fill other positions considered to be lesser need (#2 CB, #1 Safety, #3/#4 WR). we didn't overspend, we didn't go all Dan Snyder, we held back some to build for the future while trying to put a competitor on the field now.

Had Geno not been a total crock of sh*t, we might just have been ok. Had we not lost BOTH Milliner and the Rookie CB, we might have been ok.

It's the clown Head Coach, and the 2nd round pick nobody QB that was best available in a bad lot and forced to play because Rex's OTHER guy was such a colossal failure.

It's stunning to me the mass-effort to protect Rex from Rex's record, and to blame anyone and everyone for the problems OTHER than the guy most culpable for them, Rex Ryan.

 

Awesome, awesome post! 

[JetsFanInDenver]

Whats the plan?  The have a lame duck Head Caoch, the team has zero identity, no impact players and they still dont have a viable player quarterbacking the football.

 

And the good news, is the same good news the Jets had this offseason.  12 picks, boat load of cash and they walked away with a injury prone Eric Decker. Yay!!!!  What a plan! 

 

 

And that's the beauty of this. If you miss it doesn't set the organization back by half a decade like blunder's Trade Mike made.

 

Idzik needs to revamp his FO. Anyone and everyone who had something to do with the Saunders pick should be personally escorted out the building.

 

Hire a new HC. 

 

Draft based on BPA and not need. And we should again be competing. This does not us back by half a decade.

 

How was Decker inju prone when we signed him ? Pop quiz how many games did he miss the past three seasons because of injury ? Decker was the best WR available in the FA market. We signed him. Unfortunately as i mentioned Idzik could have gone after another WR in FA.

[#27TheDominator]

Everyone wants to trash Idzik, because Idzik is a faceless boring office drone, and is not winning a title in his 2nd year after being forced to keep Rex and many of "Rex's guys".

Everyone (seems, IMO) to want to protect Rex Ryan, the REAL problem of this franchise today, because he is a like-able, entertaining clown-car of a quote-dropping car wreck, because he's fun, he sells NY papers and he wins over gullible fans who like rah rah college-style bullsh*t.

It's a joke.

The problem is not how the team is built the last year and a half or planned going forward, or how we operated last offseason, we operated the right way, signing BAP veterans at positions of need (#2 QB, #1WR, #1RB), and drafting to fill other positions considered to be lesser need (#2 CB, #1 Safety, #3/#4 WR). we didn't overspend, we didn't go all Dan Snyder, we held back some to build for the future while trying to put a competitor on the field now.

Had Geno not been a total crock of sh*t, we might just have been ok. Had we not lost BOTH Milliner and the Rookie CB, we might have been ok.

It's the clown Head Coach, and the 2nd round pick nobody QB that was best available in a bad lot and forced to play because Rex's OTHER guy was such a colossal failure.

It's stunning to me the mass-effort to protect Rex from Rex's record, and to blame anyone and everyone for the problems OTHER than the guy most culpable for them, Rex Ryan.

 

 

Awesome, awesome post! 

 

Not a shock that you like this, but it's bullsh*t.  Nobody is protecting Rex today.  Not even me.  The simple fact is, the roster is an abomination.  Decker goes down and there is nothing. Nothing on a team that brought in 2 FA WRs and 3 draft picks.  CB2 was a FAR greater need than RB and backup QB is not a need.  A better QB is a need.  Is Vick better?  Yesterday it was hard to imagine he wasn't and I still wasn't sold with his second half performance.  Idzik seems to be the one that wanted Johnson and Johnson has absolutely sucked.  Plus he is a dog, so I'm sure that isn't helping in the lockers.  There was one time I heard anything coming from Rex about this roster that wasn't typical happy time BS and that was when he was pissed that Idzik let the last of the FA CBs walk.  Is there anybody alive that doubts this team would have been better with DRC?  I kind of hate DRC and I think it is obvious.  You can blame the development of Sanchez on Rex, but the fact is if drafting Sanchez is on Rex the power structure was already super ****ed before he got here. 

[JiFtheOracle]

And that's the beauty of this. If you miss it doesn't set the organization back by half a decade like blunder's Trade Mike made.

Idzik needs to revamp his FO. Anyone and everyone who had something to do with the Saunders pick should be personally escorted out the building.

Hire a new HC.

Draft based on BPA and not need. And we should again be competing. This does not us back by half a decade.

How was Decker inju prone when we signed him ? Pop quiz how many games did he miss the past three seasons because of injury ? Decker was the best WR available in the FA market. We signed him. Unfortunately as i mentioned Idzik could have gone after another WR in FA.

Yeah but, what's the plan?

[CTM]

Everyone wants to trash Idzik, because Idzik is a faceless boring office drone, and is not winning a title in his 2nd year after being forced to keep Rex and many of "Rex's guys".

Everyone (seems, IMO) to want to protect Rex Ryan, the REAL problem of this franchise today, because he is a like-able, entertaining clown-car of a quote-dropping car wreck, because he's fun, he sells NY papers and he wins over gullible fans who like rah rah college-style bullsh*t.

It's a joke.

The problem is not how the team is built the last year and a half or planned going forward, or how we operated last offseason, we operated the right way, signing BAP veterans at positions of need (#2 QB, #1WR, #1RB), and drafting to fill other positions considered to be lesser need (#2 CB, #1 Safety, #3/#4 WR). we didn't overspend, we didn't go all Dan Snyder, we held back some to build for the future while trying to put a competitor on the field now.

Had Geno not been a total crock of sh*t, we might just have been ok. Had we not lost BOTH Milliner and the Rookie CB, we might have been ok.

It's the clown Head Coach, and the 2nd round pick nobody QB that was best available in a bad lot and forced to play because Rex's OTHER guy was such a colossal failure.

It's stunning to me the mass-effort to protect Rex from Rex's record, and to blame anyone and everyone for the problems OTHER than the guy most culpable for them, Rex Ryan.

 

They can both be at fault. Here's a fact, the GM has fielded one of the worst rosters in football in year 2, looks to have completely whiffed on the draft and his hand chosen Qb and has 20M sitting on the sidelines..

 

You don't get a pass for all that, despite the attempts to completely blame a coach who has had success at this level.

 

Rex needs to go, but defending Idzik is absurd