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Shouldn't you be more concerned about the draft picks the Jets will lose because of Woody's blatant tampering?

It is not cheating.   It is called gaining a competitive advantage, something the Pats do better than any team in the NFL.

Can you let me know which Draft Pick you expect us to lose, so I can update the "Offseason Activity" thread.   Thanks!

I'm pretty sure they also cheated in the 4th quarter of the SB, they were desperate.

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Yeah they put the alien scorpion thing that Khan put in Chekhovs head in Star Trek 2 into Pete Carroll's head causing the Seahawks to throw on 2nd down and 10 inch line instead of handing it to lynch

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Yeah they put the alien scorpion thing that Khan put in Chekhovs head in Star Trek 2 into Pete Carroll's head causing the Seahawks to throw on 2nd down and 10 inch line instead of handing it to lynch

 

Besides the dumb ass call from Carroll, the Pats offense was a lot better in the 4th Q. Before that Brady was throwing a bunch of ducks into the ground like he had less control of the ball. 

 

Im pretty sure they cheated once the Hawks were up. 

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Yes Tex, a blatant statement that was blown off the very next day by your own owner Robert Kraft. However, the day after Belichek went over his boss's head and filed a grievance with the NFL.

Who's really running / cheating this team?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

How you been Baumer?

Looking forward to your 2015 Jets predictions threads.

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and so appears, out of thin air, the scapegoat.

So please tell me how two officials selling balls that are supposed to go to charity is proof that the pats cheated. The guy was given balls by two officials, he put them in play. If the official gives him the ball what is he supposed to do?

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Yes Tex, a blatant statement that was blown off the very next day by your own owner Robert Kraft. However, the day after Belichek went over his boss's head and filed a grievance with the NFL.

Who's really running / cheating this team?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

 

I understand hating the Patriots and everything about them, but you are giving Belichick way too much credit.

 

Belichick does not file grievances.  He can suggest them to Kraft.  Kraft signs the request.

 

ANd your timeline is a little off as there was about a month between Woody tampering, the Patriots waiting for the former Jets employee Goodell to do something and them submitting a grievance.

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Want to place a wager on that?  If the Jets lose draft picks you can be a moderator for a day. If they don't lose draft picks, you have to make out with Crusher again.

 

Deal?

They won't lose multiple "picks", but why do you think the league is going to turn thier back on Woody's transgresions after they spoke to him regarding DeSean Jackson last year.

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Shouldn't you be more concerned about the draft picks the Jets will lose because of Woody's blatant tampering?

 

picks ?

 

lol

 

 

there have been two draft picks conceded for tampering in the entire history of the NFL

 

a 4th for direct contact with an agent

a 7th for comments in the media

 

how many picks have the past* surrendered for their two cheating convictions ?

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picks ?

 

lol

 

 

there have been two draft picks conceded for tampering in the entire history of the NFL

 

a 4th for direct contact with an agent

a 7th for comments in the media

 

how many picks have the past* surrendered for their two cheating convictions ?

What about the SF and Detroit deals where switches in 3rd rd draft picks were involved. What about the Parcells where tags ruled that he could not coach the jets but left it up to the pats and jets to determine the fee.

 

What has spygate for to do with woody saying he wants a patriot to play for him and that he will pay him the 2 years 32mill that he signed for and that he fired the guy that didn't want him.

 

Stupidity is not an excuse, he was told last year. the eagles let him slide as he is not a division rival.

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What about the SF and Detroit deals where switches in 3rd rd draft picks were involved. What about the Parcells where tags ruled that he could not coach the jets but left it up to the pats and jets to determine the fee.

 

What has spygate for to do with woody saying he wants a patriot to play for him and that he will pay him the 2 years 32mill that he signed for and that he fired the guy that didn't want him.

 

Stupidity is not an excuse, he was told last year. the eagles let him slide as he is not a division rival.

 

For ****s sake, Rex was smart enough to leave that subject alone when asked.

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What about the SF and Detroit deals where switches in 3rd rd draft picks were involved. What about the Parcells where tags ruled that he could not coach the jets but left it up to the pats and jets to determine the fee.

 

What has spygate for to do with woody saying he wants a patriot to play for him and that he will pay him the 2 years 32mill that he signed for and that he fired the guy that didn't want him.

 

Stupidity is not an excuse, he was told last year. the eagles let him slide as he is not a division rival.

 

 

and you forgot the other cheating conviction the past* lost a pick for

 

no google, do you have any idea what is was ?

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and you forgot the other cheating conviction the past* lost a pick for

 

no google, do you have any idea what is was ?

No I remember it well, We were talking about tampering charges. not cheating. And the largest tampering charge was a first rd pick given up by the dolphins from Rozzelle for signing Shula.

 

And again in reference to this thread, how is what the patriot ball boy did cheating.

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This makes it almost more obvious that they were really cheating.  This guy F-ed up...they then tested all the balls and got busted.  

 

I'm sure they'll simply make this guy the scapegoat...but I'm still going to hold out hope the league does the right thing and heavily punish the Pats.  

Why, the ball boy was given balls by officials and was instructed by them. How is that cheating?  That is quite a stretch.

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Why will the attendant get suspended? He did what the 2 officials told him to do.

 

Someones ought to get suspended and the NFL is preparing the scapegoat. He was the one who handed the unapproved "K-Balls".

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Someones ought to get suspended and the NFL is preparing the scapegoat. He was the one who handed the unapproved "K-Balls".

The official gave him the ball, and the official already got fired. He just did what the official told him to do. 

 

And this is one of the reason I laughed when jet fans were so positive that the officials would never not check to insure that the balls were regulation pressure before the game even though they did not keep records of doing so.  

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No I remember it well, We were talking about tampering charges. not cheating. And the largest tampering charge was a first rd pick given up by the dolphins from Rozzelle for signing Shula.

 

And again in reference to this thread, how is what the patriot ball boy did cheating.

 

you should rename yourself front-runnerman since you don't even know the first cheating conviction suffered by the past* resulting in a forfeited pick

 

been a fan since '01 ?

 

when are you worms going to man up like the raiders and embrace the cheating ?

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Deflating a ball....not deflating a ball....Some guy went to the bathroom for 90 seconds and deflated the balls...

 

C'mon people. This "story" is out of hand. An ESPN reporter trumped another ESPN reporter in 24 hours.

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HAHAHA

 

 

"Employee 2 noticed that one of the balls was missing from League Official 1, so he went to get a different one. When League Official 2 came in, he tried to replace the [missing] football," Schefter said. "League official 1 noticed that the ball was missing, noticed that people knew [he took a ball], he brought the ball back into the game, so there were then two different league officials handing balls to Jim McNally for use in the game. It sounds like a very unique, murky situation."

 

If McNally's name sounds familiar, that's because his name was tied to a Deflategate report on Tuesday. McNally, a Patriots locker room attendant, allegedly tried to give an unapproved football to an official during the game. However, according to Schefter, McNally may have had an unapproved football because he was given balls from two different people.

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/48014/Report--NFL-fired-league-employee-for-selling-Deflategate-footballs/Default.aspx

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you should rename yourself front-runnerman since you don't even know the first cheating conviction suffered by the past* resulting in a forfeited pick

 

been a fan since '01 ?

 

when are you worms going to man up like the raiders and embrace the cheating ?

Learn to read, we were talking about picks going to another team as compensation for tampering. Not a team like the pats that lost a first or SF or Denver that lost 3rds for cheating.

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A locker room attendant for the New England Patriots tried to introduce an unapproved special teams football into last month's AFC Championship Game, the same game at the center of the "Deflategate" allegations, four sources familiar with the investigation told "Outside the Lines."

 

One source said that the attendant assigned to the officials' locker room, identified as 48-year-old Jim McNally, has been interviewed by investigators for Ted Wells, the attorney the NFL hired last month to lead an investigation into allegations the Patriots intentionally used underinflated footballs on offensive plays in the first half of that game against the Indianapolis Colts, which New England won 45-7.

 

Three sources said that McNally has worked Patriots games for a decade, and has been in charge of the officials' locker room at Gillette Stadium since at least 2008. In the first half of the AFC Championship Game, the sources said, McNally tried to give the unapproved football to an alternate official who was in charge of the special-teams footballs. Those footballs are known as "kicking balls" or "K balls."

 

Before every NFL game, footballs are inspected and measured by NFL officials in their locker room before they can be approved for in-game use. The "K balls" are used for special teams, and not by the offenses of either team.

 

 

NFL officials put a special mark or stamp on each ball approved for use on offensive possessions, as well as the "K balls" used on special teams, to ensure only properly inspected and approved footballs are used in that game. Walt Anderson, the referee for the AFC title game, had personally inspected and marked each of the footballs that were approved for use in that game.

 

The alternate official, Greg Yette, became suspicious when he noticed that the football McNally handed him did not have the proper markings on it, three sources said. One of those sources added that Yette found it surprising that the officials' locker room attendant was on the field, trying to hand him a ball, because officials' locker room attendants don't typically have ball-handling responsibilities during NFL games. Once McNally tried to introduce the unapproved football into the game, the source said, Yette notified the NFL's vice president of game operations, Mike Kensil, who was at the game in the press box.

 

Sources said they are not sure at what point during the first half McNally tried to introduce the impermissible football to Yette. They didn't know his motivation for doing so, either. Yette, when reached by Outside the Lines, declined to comment.

 

An Outside the Lines reporter approached McNally at his home in Amherst, New Hampshire, earlier this month, but he said, "I can't talk to you," waving the reporter away as he walked up his driveway.

 

McNally is a part-time employee who was hired by The Kraft Group, a company owned by Patriots owners Robert Kraft. Kelly Way, the director of operations for TeamOps at Gillette Stadium, said NFL game-day employees are paid by The Kraft Group. McNally is not listed in the Patriots' main switchboard directory.

 

It is not known if McNally is the same locker room attendant who reportedly ducked into a bathroom with a bag of footballs for 90 seconds before taking them out to the field before the start of the AFC Championship Game. On Jan. 26, FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer reported that a locker-room attendant from the Patriots allegedly took footballs "from the officials locker room to another area" on the way to the field, and that Wells' investigators have video of that. Pro Football Talk later reported that the attendant stopped in a restroom with the game balls for 90 seconds. That locker room attendant, according to Foxsports.com, is a "strong person of interest."

 

The Patriots, who won the Super Bowl over the Seattle Seahawks on Feb. 1, came under scrutiny prior to the AFC Championship Game, when the Colts reportedly alerted the NFL during the regular season that the Patriots may be using underinflated footballs after the teams met Nov. 16.

 

A source told Outside the Lines that Kensil decided to personally go down to the officials' locker room at halftime of the Patriots-Colts game to check the game balls, in part, because of the suspicions McNally's actions raised.

 

Kensil did not respond to requests for comment but it has also been reported that the Colts noticed an underinflated football after an interception by linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. Jackson said at the Pro Bowl that he didn't notice that the football was underinflated. Also, Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, told "60 Minutes Sports" that Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson told league officials in the second quarter of the AFC Championship Game that the Patriots might be tampering with footballs.

 

One source said Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by "one to two pounds." They were reinflated to the league-required level and were returned for use in the second half.

 

Patriots coach Bill Belichick has attributed the 11 underinflated game balls to atmospheric conditions and has said the Patriots "try to do everything right; we err on the side of caution." Team owner Robert Kraft, in a strong defense of his head coach and quarterback Tom Brady, said: "I want to make it clear that I believe unconditionally that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or are in violation of NFL rules."

 

He added "I would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team" if the Wells investigation "is unable to definitively determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs."

 

The NFL hired Wells on Jan. 23 to lead an investigation into Deflategate. In a statement released late last month, Wells said he expected his investigation to go on for "at least several more weeks" and asked that "everyone involved or potentially involved in this matter avoids public comment concerning the matter until the investigation is concluded. The results will be shared publicly."

 

Dean Blandino, the NFL's head of officiating, said at a Super Bowl news conference: "There was an issue that was brought up during the first half, a football came into question, and then the decision was made to test them at halftime. There's an investigation going on, I can't really get into specifics."

 

When asked for comment by OTL, Blandino texted, "I can't elaborate with the investigation still ongoing."

 

The NFL, though a spokesman, told OTL: "We're not commenting on the details of the ongoing investigation."

 

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/12340408/new-england-patriots-employee-gave-unapproved-ball-official-lines-reports

 

This is getting good

 

The Patriots have it coming to them

 

No wonder Kraft was so animate before the Super Bowl, all fake hustle, his own guy helped engineer the whole thing

 

This is going to be fun

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Learn to read, we were talking about picks going to another team as compensation for tampering. Not a team like the pats that lost a first or SF or Denver that lost 3rds for cheating.

 

you really don't know do you ?

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Shouldn't you be more concerned about the draft picks the Jets will lose because of Woody's blatant tampering?

 

If Jerry Jones got a slap on the wrist for his blatant tampering, Woody will get nothing more than a dirty look.

 

It's interesting that you are more interested in the tamper charge by the Pats based on nothing more than an agenda, paranoia and a superiority complex, but have come up with every excuse in the book with yet another scandal tainting the Patriot success.

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Yes, because the Patriots' locker room attendant tried to give the official an unapproved kicking ball. 

 

I mean, because D'Qwell Jackson noticed that the ball he intercepted felt deflated and reported it up the chain.

 

I mean, because Ryan Grigson raised suspicions during the game based on tips from the Ravens and/or because the Colts noticed balls were deflated during their regular season game with the Patriots. 

 

Great, Pulitzer Prize winning, investigative work by OTL.    

 

LOL, Pats fans remain in steadfast denial

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