joewilly12 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 You got to be on the field to prove that. Flynn doesnt play football, he's a career back up for the green bay packers. Atleast Fitz has a career we can judge. Flynn has "the game". At this point id rather see the Jets give the ball to Petty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well I made my last post before I read this so I see I was 100% correct. You are pissed off that we have bad Qb's and the jets are not trading at this point for Qb's that are A) unavailable and probably out of our price range. The Jets when they signed Fitzpatrick essentially decide they were going with him and geno this year, they drafted a development guy. We have no idea if they tried to trade up for other Qb's or actually tried to trade for a QB but the odds of getting your guy via trade are historically only mediocre. If there was a legit option to get a guy like Glennon and a reasonable cost and this was know you would have all the ammo you need to beef about it but we have no info on that. We know we have a suspect vet, an injured suspect in geno and a long shot prospect in petty. Because you can't solve the problem you have now does not mean you ignore the short term proper moves, that being getting another QB into camp. They traded for Fizpatrick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Villian none of us are happy only the Geno haters seem to be happy in return they got Fitzpatrick I think Bowles and Macc aren't happy with Fitzpatrick thats why they got Flynn any real Jets fan cannot be happy with the overall situation here at QB Thank you Joe. Thats all im saying. Im not going to congratulate or say that it was a brillant move that we got Flynn. I dont believe in him. Im not happy that Fitzpatrick is on this team backing up a guy that I wanted to have replaced this offseason. And its sad because I would prefer the guy that I wanted to replace this offseason (Geno) over Ryan Fitzpatrick. Im not liking what im seeing here and im getting tired of being pissed in December because I forced myself to believe in something that in my heart of hearts I knew was total bullsh*t before week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 they want Petty to play most of preseason, Flynn is just an emergency guy. apparently Bowels wants the starters to play the first half of Fridays game, Flynn is not an emergency guy for the preseason...he might not even be healthy enough to play during it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 They traded for Fizpatrick... Trade for a true quality QB of the ilk that villian wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thank you Joe. Thats all im saying. Im not going to congratulate or say that it was a brillant move that we got Flynn. I dont believe in him. Im not happy that Fitzpatrick is on this team backing up a guy that I wanted to have replaced this offseason. And its sad because I would prefer the guy that I wanted to replace this offseason (Geno) over Ryan Fitzpatrick. Im not liking what im seeing here and im getting tired of being pissed in December because I forced myself to believe in something that in my heart of hearts I knew was total bullsh*t before week 1. 6-10. Just get good with it and the season will be much easier on your constitution. Trade for a true quality QB of the ilk that villian wants. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 apparently Bowels wants the starters to play the first half of Fridays game, Flynn is not an emergency guy for the preseason...he might not even be healthy enough to play during it. I was talking an emergency guy for the reg season. if he's not healthy to play he will get cut pretty quickly, he's expected to be healthy for the reg season and they want a vet behind Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Then you get what you deserve. Scared money never made any money. We dont draft well, dont coach well and dont take chances because its out of our price range of picks we dont even use well when we have them. Enjoy the season. Lets play Gm shall we? You be MacGagnan and I'll be the Bucs gm. You want Glennon? Well we need depth and a backup QB so we are not open to trading him right now. Wait you really want him? Okay two first round picks is the price. You up for it? Phillip rivers you say? Make it 3 first rounders he he needs to be the highest paid player in the league. you up for it? Getting good QB's is hard, it's always hard. Teams like Oakland thought they had their guy with Flynn, Houston thought they had their guy with Schaub. In the vast majority of cases you can get your great QB via the draft because you have sucked bad enough or just get pure lucky (Brady, Warner). Guys have to be available, you have to be in the right spot at the right time. There was no Drew Brees kicking around this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 6-10. Just get good with it and the season will be much easier on your constitution. Gotcha. Man, Im at the point where im just hoping Jameis Winston steals some more crab legs and ends up getting benched so I can watch my fav QB go to work. The hell with this Jets nonsense right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thank you Joe. Thats all im saying. Im not going to congratulate or say that it was a brillant move that we got Flynn. I dont believe in him. Im not happy that Fitzpatrick is on this team backing up a guy that I wanted to have replaced this offseason. And its sad because I would prefer the guy that I wanted to replace this offseason (Geno) over Ryan Fitzpatrick. Im not liking what im seeing here and im getting tired of being pissed in December because I forced myself to believe in something that in my heart of hearts I knew was total bullsh*t before week 1. Well no that is not all you have been saying in this whole thread. I would say that 99% of the people saying getting Flynn was a good move hate our Qb situation. This is not an either or thing. Our Qb situation stinks so there is no need to make it potentially worse buy doing nothing when you need a #4 guy for camp and ex games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Lets play Gm shall we? You be MacGagnan and I'll be the Bucs gm. You want Glennon? Well we need depth and a backup QB so we are not open to trading him right now. Wait you really want him? Okay two first round picks is the price. You up for it? Phillip rivers you say? Make it 3 first rounders he he needs to be the highest paid player in the league. you up for it? Getting good QB's is hard, it's always hard. Teams like Oakland thought they had their guy with Flynn, Houston thought they had their guy with Schaub. In the vast majority of cases you can get your great QB via the draft because you have sucked bad enough or just get pure lucky (Brady, Warner). Guys have to be available, you have to be in the right spot at the right time. There was no Drew Brees kicking around this off season. Lets play. Oh, so you want two 1st rounders for Glennon? Okay. Let me fist go visit Tennessee and St. Louis and see what the going rate is for Mettenberger and Davis. I think I can get a better deal with them. But hey, here's my business card. Yes, I know my business card doesnt have a Jets logo but a Starbucks Logo, but im big Macc baby. I gets it in with my frappuccino! And when you decide to turn that two 1st rounder answer into a 3rd rounder, possibly a 2nd rounder if you're nice then pick up that card and call me. But please, if im in St. Louie just email me. I wouldnt want to be interrupted with a phone call while eating on some great BBQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well no that is not all you have been saying in this whole thread. whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 of course he's better than Petty and Heaps, but that doesnt make it a Brilliant move. EJ Manuel at this point is probably better than Petty and Heaps. You dont give a team that you just built to "win now" to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Flynn. sh*t, you dont give a team like to Geno but atleast Geno has the excuse of being a 3 year QB around a bunch of moron coaches and zero talent at the skillet positions on offense. So you would have gotten Andrew luck or aaron rodgers this off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 So you would have gotten Andrew luck or aaron rodgers this off season? the convo officially went to stupidville. Im good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 that would be brilliant actually, we'd be a playoff lock w/ the talent on this offense. Sanchez is better than Fritz IMO..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Sanchez and Fitz isn't comparable; Fitz and Pennington are. Both crafty road scholars with weak arms. I only hope that Fitz plays as good as Chad did for us, during his good days. Chad was pretty good when he had weapons, and Fitz has them. At least when guys like that are under center, you will see a guy with confidence who can draw the defense off sides, knows when to call time out and manage a clock, etc. That's already an improvement to what we've had the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Sanchez is better than Fritz IMO..... that's not really debatable, mark was a million times better than Fitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Sanchez and Fitz isn't comparable; Fitz and Pennington are. Both crafty road scholars with weak arms. I only hope that Fitz plays as good as Chad did for us, during his good days. Chad was pretty good when he had weapons, and Fitz has them. At least when guys like that are under center, you will see a guy with confidence who can draw the defense off sides, knows when to call time out and manage a clock, etc. That's already an improvement to what we've had the last few years. you aren't seriously comparing Fitz to Chad Pennington, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Lets play. Oh, so you want two 1st rounders for Glennon? Okay. Let me fist go visit Tennessee and St. Louis and see what the going rate is for Mettenberger and Davis. I think I can get a better deal with them. But hey, here's my business card. Yes, I know my business card doesnt have a Jets logo but a Starbucks Logo, but im big Macc baby. I gets it in with my frappuccino! And when you decide to turn that two 1st rounder answer into a 3rd rounder, possibly a 2nd rounder if you're nice then pick up that card and call me. But please, if im in St. Louie just email me. I wouldnt want to be interrupted with a phone call while eating on some great BBQ. And why would they decide this again? Because Macca decides to shop around? How does that change Tampa's situation? If, and a big IF, Winston looks like the future for them in 2015, maybe you can get Glennon next off season. But it's not happening now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 the convo officially went to stupidville. Im good. You complain about the Jets have Geno and Fitz yet you fail to tell us who the Jets QB situation would look if you had taken over the team this year like Mac did. It's always easy to whine about teams weaknesses, it's a lot harder to articulate an alternative solution. I'm upset that we don't have elite QBs/Safeties/RG/LG/TE but then again I also understand how difficult it is to build an NFL roster, especially when dealing with a salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJets12 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Beggars can't be choosers. Slim pickings. At least we got someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 you aren't seriously comparing Fitz to Chad Pennington, are you? I think he just did. It's wrong but he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 You can only sign what's available. Not who fans think are available. There isn't a chance in hell that the Bills trade EJ to anyone today, never mind the Jets Won't need to. EJ is getting cut unless he lights up the place tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Won't need to. EJ is getting cut unless he lights up the place tomorrow night. No chance Maybe eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 In a football sense yes, but as far as Jetnation is concerned we would be a lock to win the internets. way to keep it in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Flynn is wearing #5. That's going to cause quite a juicy debate if and when they bring back Matt Simms (the rightful owner of #5 on this team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 5 is better than 15 Tebowites need to stay in Philly. Any predictions on when Flynn get a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 that's not really debatable, mark was a million times better than Fitz Sanchez is barely better than Tebow at this point!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Thank you Joe. Thats all im saying. Im not going to congratulate or say that it was a brillant move that we got Flynn. I dont believe in him. Im not happy that Fitzpatrick is on this team backing up a guy that I wanted to have replaced this offseason. And its sad because I would prefer the guy that I wanted to replace this offseason (Geno) over Ryan Fitzpatrick. Im not liking what im seeing here and im getting tired of being pissed in December because I forced myself to believe in something that in my heart of hearts I knew was total bullsh*t before week 1. Villain, I think the possibility that the Jets called Tampa about Glennon is close to 100%. However I think from what they said this year they are still committed to Geno, and want to develop Petty and possibly Heaps as much as possible, so I do not think they were going to be in the ballpark for what Tampa would have wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Lets play. Oh, so you want two 1st rounders for Glennon? Okay. Let me fist go visit Tennessee and St. Louis and see what the going rate is for Mettenberger and Davis. I think I can get a better deal with them. But hey, here's my business card. Yes, I know my business card doesnt have a Jets logo but a Starbucks Logo, but im big Macc baby. I gets it in with my frappuccino! And when you decide to turn that two 1st rounder answer into a 3rd rounder, possibly a 2nd rounder if you're nice then pick up that card and call me. But please, if im in St. Louie just email me. I wouldnt want to be interrupted with a phone call while eating on some great BBQ. If Maccagnan actually talks like this we are ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Well no that is not all you have been saying in this whole thread. I would say that 99% of the people saying getting Flynn was a good move hate our Qb situation. This is not an either or thing. Our Qb situation stinks so there is no need to make it potentially worse buy doing nothing when you need a #4 guy for camp and ex games. Exactly. Why wouldn't we bring in Flynn, why wait, what's the advantage to waiting vs the risk of doing nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Lets play Gm shall we? You be MacGagnan and I'll be the Bucs gm. You want Glennon? Well we need depth and a backup QB so we are not open to trading him right now. Wait you really want him? Okay two first round picks is the price. You up for it? Phillip rivers you say? Make it 3 first rounders he he needs to be the highest paid player in the league. you up for it? Getting good QB's is hard, it's always hard. Teams like Oakland thought they had their guy with Flynn, Houston thought they had their guy with Schaub. In the vast majority of cases you can get your great QB via the draft because you have sucked bad enough or just get pure lucky (Brady, Warner). Guys have to be available, you have to be in the right spot at the right time. There was no Drew Brees kicking around this off season. You want to trade a 3rd or a 2nd for a guy taken in the 3rd who failed to take hold of the starting job in Tampa when it was handed to him and is a FA next year? Sorry, I'd rather have Mettenberger for less. Actually I'd take Mettenberger over Glennon all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 And why would they decide this again? Because Macca decides to shop around? How does that change Tampa's situation? If, and a big IF, Winston looks like the future for them in 2015, maybe you can get Glennon next off season. But it's not happening now. It doesnt have to change their situation. Im not the Bucs GM, im Macc...remember? I have the ability to negotiate elsewhere. The purpose is to get a viable QB, it doesnt have to be Glennon for 2 1st round picks. I can pretty much bet that the Jets could get Austin Davis for much less than that....even Mettenberger. Furthermore, given that Glennon is in his final contract year I can simply wait and pick up up via FA. Why give 2 1st rounders away when there are multiple possible options NOT called Matt Flynn or giving up 2 first rounders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 Villain, I think the possibility that the Jets called Tampa about Glennon is close to 100%. However I think from what they said this year they are still committed to Geno, and want to develop Petty and possibly Heaps as much as possible, so I do not think they were going to be in the ballpark for what Tampa would have wanted. You're probably right. I just dont like our QB situation. I didnt even like it prior to Geno being hurt but atleast I felt like this will be his first time having a supporting case and a competent OC. This Fitzpatrick Matt Flynn situation equates to vomit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 If Maccagnan actually talks like this we are ****ed. lol. You're a clutch dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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