Jetster Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Are we being held hostage by Ryan Fitzpatrick? Think about what we're saying. Going into last season he was a backup journeyman bouncing around 6 teams, now? He's the NY Jets only hope,lol. If that doesn't tell you bad the QB situation in the NFL is what does? I don't know about you guys but our schedule isn't the light weight it was last year. Listen, I like Fitzy, he's tough gutsy, but let's be serious, did he even once hit someone in stride without the WR having to make a highlight catch? This offseason is huge for the future of this team and as a long time Jet fan I'm praying that Mac & Bowles stick to their guns on what they feel Fitz is worth. Don't make a mistake like the Bills did years ago & overpay this guy to go 8-8. That's what will happen if we have no cap money to fill any other holes. If we don't sign Fitz it's because Mac is thinking about our future, not just next year and I'll be supporting that decision. At 1st I didn't want to go to 8 million but I'm sure that unrealistic, but going over 10 would just be insane, the thought that the Patriots are paying Tom Brady, 9 in 2016 & 10 in 2017 makes me want to hurl! Say hello to the 2016 & 2017 AFC East winners again Jet fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think we are, I have to believe he is smart enough to know he is in the perfect system. he will get a fair deal from us, probably overpaying a little bit based on the market but we cannot sign him to a long term deal. that would be crazy. the Bills didn't overpay him to go 8-8, he never won more than 6 games prior to this season. as long as Brady is playing and healthy NE will win the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Fair points except the elephant in the room. If not Fitz; Who is the jets QB next year, how much will he cost, how many years do we have to commit to him, are we prepared to have a worse QB situation and have no hope for a reasonable year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Fair points except the elephant in the room. If not Fitz; Who is the jets QB next year, how much will he cost, how many years do we have to commit to him, are we prepared to have a worse QB situation and have no hope for a reasonable year? I don't know the answer, I'd like Fitz back but we could have missed the playoffs this year with geno too. he had nice #s then when we needed him to play well he fell on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: I don't know the answer, I'd like Fitz back but we could have missed the playoffs this year with geno too. he had nice #s then when we needed him to play well he fell on his face. My apologies my 1st response was directed at Jetster not you so I was no taking you to task for your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: My apologies my 1st response was directed at Jetster not you so I was no taking you to task for your post. no problem, I was just trying to respond to what you posted even if not directed at me. I'm, with you- the question is who do we bring in? I think we overpay a little b/c there's nothing out there I just hope we overpay on a short term deal not a long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Fair points except the elephant in the room. If not Fitz; Who is the jets QB next year, how much will he cost, how many years do we have to commit to him, are we prepared to have a worse QB situation and have no hope for a reasonable year? Oh, I hear ya, I don't know what the answer is but overpaying for Fitz might be as bad as starting a youngster. Our roster needs help at ILB, OLB, RT, our LT & Center are getting old and our special teams were one of the worst in the league. Fitz struggled without a RB out of the backfield. Marshall & Decker bailed him out NUMEROUS TIMES on bad throws. Just seems that every year this team gets held hostage. Mac just came from Houston last year so he knows the importance of the QB. Fitz is a stopgap MAYBE we make the playoffs QB. You just can't overpay for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 44 minutes ago, nyjunc said: I don't think we are, I have to believe he is smart enough to know he is in the perfect system. he will get a fair deal from us, probably overpaying a little bit based on the market but we cannot sign him to a long term deal. that would be crazy. the Bills didn't overpay him to go 8-8, he never won more than 6 games prior to this season. as long as Brady is playing and healthy NE will win the division. That's true, Bills paid Fitz $59M to go 6-10 twice, following a 4-12 season. All three seasons were with Gailey. Fitz is primarily a Harvard Economics expert; QBing is only his hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 No because of his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The rest of the team has to improve. Fitz could repeat his dream 2015 season, but the Jets won't finish 11-5 if the team is weak in other areas. Ironically enough, Fitz will get most of the blame for this and the front office will get criticized for extending him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 It's OK to over pay on a 2 year deal...Quit whining and let it play out.. We have no QB if we let him walk.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 If Fitz wants 11 million or more I say let Geno and Petty duke it out for who starts. I am not a secret Geno fan nor one who knows if Petty is even remotely ready but under no circumstance should we overpay Fitz to remain with the Jets. We and Fitz have to be realistic even with him having a career year and Marshall breaking all kinds of records the Jets failed to reach the post season. They failed. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 41 minutes ago, predator_05 said: The rest of the team has to improve. Fitz could repeat his dream 2015 season, but the Jets won't finish 11-5 if the team is weak in other areas. Ironically enough, Fitz will get most of the blame for this and the front office will get criticized for extending him. our offense was loaded last year, Fitz played well(until the biggest game of the year) but I wouldn't call it a dream season the way it ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 See if we can get Fitz back for reasonable money. If not then might as well trade a mid round pick for Kaepernick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: If Fitz wants 11 million or more I say let Geno and Petty duke it out for who starts. I am not a secret Geno fan nor one who knows if Petty is even remotely ready but under no circumstance should we overpay Fitz to remain with the Jets. We and Fitz have to be realistic even with him having a career year and Marshall breaking all kinds of records the Jets failed to reach the post season. They failed. Period. I don't want any part of Geno/Petty. Petty didn't even look good last preseason facing scrubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I will be shocked if Fitz isn't back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 so what is plan B ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Larz said: so what is plan B ? Sanchez strikes back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 If Fitz ends up looking for crazy money it definitely puts a wrench in things. Plan B, right now would have to be, bring in a new guy on a team friendly deal and look to the draft. Four qbs compete for three spots. That being said, I have a hard time seeing him sign elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 13 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Sanchez strikes back! I wish as I think he gets cut by Philly but it's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Houston let him go ... Are they going to admit they made a mistake & give him a good deal now? Doubtful talk about LA Rams offering Manning a deal Chip Kelly isn't going to want him over Kaep in SF who does that leave to even give him lowball starting QB $$$ ? Cleveland? I think the thought process there is to have the rookie start from day 1 right? appears that our FO is not going to bid against itself ... Let's see how this turns out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 30 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Sanchez strikes back! He's an abortion, all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Fitz should deserve Hoyer money at most: 2 yrs $10.5M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 YEARS 25 MILLION - 20 GUARANTEED...This is what I think he should get...Not what he deserves but what he should get in this nutty market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, ljr said: Houston let him go ... Are they going to admit they made a mistake & give him a good deal now? Doubtful talk about LA Rams offering Manning a deal Chip Kelly isn't going to want him over Kaep in SF who does that leave to even give him lowball starting QB $$$ ? Cleveland? I think the thought process there is to have the rookie start from day 1 right? appears that our FO is not going to bid against itself ... Let's see how this turns out Maybe Dallas as a legit backup for Romo but they have cap issues too, not sure they could compete with a reasonable offer from the Jets, let this one play out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Denver? Fitz was better than Manning last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, AFJF said: Denver? Fitz was better than Manning last season. They are going to massively over pay osweiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 hour ago, the Claw said: If Fitz ends up looking for crazy money it definitely puts a wrench in things. Plan B, right now would have to be, bring in a new guy on a team friendly deal and look to the draft. Four qbs compete for three spots. That being said, I have a hard time seeing him sign elsewhere. Welcome to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 hours ago, drdetroit said: See if we can get Fitz back for reasonable money. If not then might as well trade a mid round pick for Kaepernick Do you want to trade for this contract? I thought Fitz had accuracy problems.... Kap can't hit the side of a barn. Contracted Players Player (62 total) Base Salary(Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1) Cut (post-June 1) Trade Prorated Roster Workout Other Colin Kaepernick $11,900,000 $2,465,753 $2,000,000 $400,000 $0 $15,890,753 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: They are going to massively over pay osweiller. They didn't franchise him, did they. They could get outbid for the younger, more promising QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 5 hours ago, Jetster said: Are we being held hostage by Ryan Fitzpatrick? Think about what we're saying. Going into last season he was a backup journeyman bouncing around 6 teams, now? He's the NY Jets only hope,lol. If that doesn't tell you bad the QB situation in the NFL is what does? I don't know about you guys but our schedule isn't the light weight it was last year. Listen, I like Fitzy, he's tough gutsy, but let's be serious, did he even once hit someone in stride without the WR having to make a highlight catch? This offseason is huge for the future of this team and as a long time Jet fan I'm praying that Mac & Bowles stick to their guns on what they feel Fitz is worth. Don't make a mistake like the Bills did years ago & overpay this guy to go 8-8. That's what will happen if we have no cap money to fill any other holes. If we don't sign Fitz it's because Mac is thinking about our future, not just next year and I'll be supporting that decision. At 1st I didn't want to go to 8 million but I'm sure that unrealistic, but going over 10 would just be insane, the thought that the Patriots are paying Tom Brady, 9 in 2016 & 10 in 2017 makes me want to hurl! Say hello to the 2016 & 2017 AFC East winners again Jet fans. So you think that Fitz is the same guy, same QB he was when with the Bills? That he played this past season like he did with the Bills. That the situations are the same. But mostly what you are saying is that signing Fitz is a mistake that will hurt the team. How is this thread different that the countless others that debate whether he should be signed and at what cost threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Max 6 win QB, haven't you all heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltflo Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 As I have stated in other posts, Fitz is a hold the fort backup. That what he was hired for and in the end that is all he will be. Paying him large dollars and keeping him under center is just delaying the inevitable. An I like Fitzy, thought he did okay playing a very easy schedule. Next season not going to be so easy. Defenses have figured out how to beat the Jets with Fitz under center. I don't know what the answer is, but I can tell you, long term, it not Fitz. Personally I would rather have two poor seasons while a youngster gets up to speed, be it a new rookie or Petty or even Geno , if he can finally step up. Then to play Fitz as our starter for two years of 9 or 10 wins if we are lucky, and watch the Pats take the division both years again. An then have to begin this whole damn process all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 5 hours ago, nyjunc said: our offense was loaded last year, Fitz played well(until the biggest game of the year) but I wouldn't call it a dream season the way it ended. best season ever by a Jets QB, yeah...i'll call it a dream season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet in PA Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I can tell you one mistake I won't be copying Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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