Which of these NY Jets QB seasons was the best?

[slats]

Just wondering how far the nation has veered...

[Matt39]

Vinny's easily. Didnt even play 16 games.

[Jetsfan80]

1.  Vinny in '98

2.  O'Brien in '85 (A downfield thrower going 29/7 was remarkable)

3.  Favre in '08 (even higher if you want to exclude the final 5 games when he was hurt; for first 11 games he was having the best season in Jets history)

4.  Fitz in '15

5.  Pennington in '02 (He was a dumpoff machine most of the season, then collapsed in the postseason and was exposed the rest of his career)

[slats]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

1.  Vinny in '98

2.  O'Brien in '85

3.  Favre in '08 (even higher if you want to exclude the final 5 games when he was hurt; for first 11 he was having the best season in Jets history)

4.  Fitz in '15

5.  Pennington in '02 (He was a dumpoff machine most of the season, then collapsed in the postseason and was exposed the rest of his career)

Pennington was absolutely exposed by the Raiders that year but, prior to that, he was dominant. He was drawing comparisons to Joe Montana. 

[Warfish]

Vinny - > Fitz -> Kenny O - > Pennington

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, slats said:

Pennington was absolutely exposed by the Raiders that year but, prior to that, he was dominant. He was drawing comparisons to Joe Montana. 

I know, but part of his success was a "taking the league by storm" kind of deal.  When putting 1 year in a vacuum, yes, his season should be ahead of Fitz's.  But the league figured Pennington out VERY quickly, whereas everyone knew what Fitz's limitations were before he arrived as a Jet. 

That, and I put TD's above just about everything for QB's.  Fitz averaged over 2 TD's per game if you remove the Raider game from the equation.  Pennington threw 22 in 12 games, putting him under that mark.  Granted, that was before the rule changes, but even in Pennington's very best season, he wasn't exactly taking many chances.  He was taking what the defense gave him. 

[RutgersJetFan]

I think I blacked everything pre-injury Chad out. I can't relive getting my hopes up like that.  

[JiFtheOracle]

Stats are cute but one of these guys didnt do something these other guys did. 

[Beerfish]

Bollinger had a better year than fitz.  They both missed the playoffs and bolly didn't get our hopes up,

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Anybody who doesn't say O'Brien is seriously underestimating how long ago 1985 was in football years.

[nyjunc]

from this list(where Fitz doesn't belong):

 

1. Vinny 1998: none of the others are even close, this was as close to perfection as we will likely ever see from a Jets QB.  

2. Chad 2002: brought us back from 1-4, 2-5 to ponly our 2nd AFC East title ever and our O was unstoppable until Oakland.

3. O'Brien 1985: a little overrated since he took so many sacks rather than throw the ball away to keep his comp % higher and rating higher but he had a good year.  O'Brien is vastly overrated by jet fans.

4. Fitz 2015: doesn't belong w/ these other 3 seasons.  excellent stat year but this game is about wins not stats and he had the most talent of any of these QBs to throw to.

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Anybody who doesn't say O'Brien is seriously underestimating how long ago 1985 was in football years.

he is one of the most overrated players in Jets history.  If his career happened in this era he would be HATED on boards like this.

[nyjunc]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

1.  Vinny in '98

2.  O'Brien in '85 (A downfield thrower going 29/7 was remarkable)

3.  Favre in '08 (even higher if you want to exclude the final 5 games when he was hurt; for first 11 games he was having the best season in Jets history)

4.  Fitz in '15

5.  Pennington in '02 (He was a dumpoff machine most of the season, then collapsed in the postseason and was exposed the rest of his career)

my god this list is just awful.  Favre at 3?  Chad at 5? Fitz ahead of Chad? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[slats]

11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I know, but part of his success was a "taking the league by storm" kind of deal.  When putting 1 year in a vacuum, yes, his season should be ahead of Fitz's.  But the league figured Pennington out VERY quickly, whereas everyone knew what Fitz's limitations were before he arrived as a Jet. 

That, and I put TD's above just about everything for QB's.  Fitz averaged over 2 TD's per game if you remove the Raider game from the equation.  Pennington threw 22 in 12 games, putting him under that mark.  Granted, that was before the rule changes, but even in Pennington's very best season, he wasn't exactly taking many chances.  He was taking what the defense gave him. 

You want a good total TDs, obviously, but Pennington nearly hitting 4:1 in his TD:int ratio is much more impressive to me than Fitz' just a hair over 2:1. 

[Smashmouth]

24 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Vinny's easily. Didnt even play 16 games.

chad played 10 games we were 2-5 and he got us into the playoffs and no he was not a dump off machine. And FWIW Chad had zero time to throw the football in the raider playoff game it was our O-Line and the lack of changing the game plan that lost that game

[Flushing Roots]

Vinny.

30 minutes from the SB.

End of discussion.

[greenwichjetfan]

Any list for Jets QB seasons that doesn't include Favre's year here is incomplete. Not saying he's at the top of the list, but how is he not included? 65.7%, 3472 yards, 22 TDs. 

Even including the fact that we didn't make the playoffs due to him hiding an injury, we were 8-3 and had just beaten a 10-0 team on the road, and Favre was having the best QB season in Jets history - and this was at age 38/39 with Schitty as his OC.

 

[slats]

1 minute ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Any list for Jets QB seasons that doesn't include Favre's year here is incomplete. Not saying he's at the top of the list, but how is he not included? 65.7%, 3472 yards, 22 TDs. 

Even including the fact that we didn't make the playoffs due to him hiding an injury, we were 8-3 and had just beaten a 10-0 team on the road, and Favre was having the best QB season in Jets history - and this was at age 38/39 with Schitty as his OC.

 

Thought of including him, but he also threw 22 interceptions that year, and failed to make the playoffs. 

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, slats said:

You want a good total TDs, obviously, but Pennington nearly hitting 4:1 in his TD:int ratio is much more impressive to me than Fitz' just a hair over 2:1. 

Chad threw 22 TDs in 12 starts, 399 attempts.  1 TD for every 18.1 attempts

Fitz threw 31 in 16 starts, 562 attempts.  1 for every 18.1 attempts

 

same ratio but in pass happier/more QB friendly era.  let us also not forget our home field was a mess in 2002 w/ that old torn up grass before going back to turf in 2003.

 

Chad's yards per attempt was 7.8, Fitz 6.9

Chad threw 6 INTs in 399 battempts, 1 every 67 attempts

Fitz 15 in 562, , 1 every 35 attempts

it basically took Chad twice as many attempts to throw the same amount of INts as Fitz

 

Putting that aside.  In our biggest games of the year the last 2 reg season games he led us into Foxboro in week 16 and to a 30-17 win, NE would not lose again at Foxboro until THREE seasons later.  In week 17 against 12-3 Green Bay needing one win to clinch the 1 seed in the NFC he led us to 42 pts.

Let's compare that to 2015.  Week 16 Fitz led us to 23 pts in an OT win over NE at home then in week 17 against a dead team threw 3 INTs and led us to 17 pts in a loss to prevent us from going to the playoffs.

 

Chad weeks 16 & 17 2002: 40-57, 70%, 481 yds, 7 TDs, 0 INTs, 135 rating, led O to 36 PPG, 

Fitz weeks 16 & 17 2015: 42-78, 54%, 477 yds, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 77.7 rating, led O to 20 PPG(18.5 in regulation)

 

how anyone could compare what Fitz did last year to what Chad did in 2002 is beyond me.

[nyjunc]

10 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

chad played 10 games we were 2-5 and he got us into the playoffs and no he was not a dump off machine. And FWIW Chad had zero time to throw the football in the raider playoff game it was our O-Line and the lack of changing the game plan that lost that game

we go destroyed up front in that raider game.  we had a finesse OL, Oak a smashmouth DL.

6 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Any list for Jets QB seasons that doesn't include Favre's year here is incomplete. Not saying he's at the top of the list, but how is he not included? 65.7%, 3472 yards, 22 TDs. 

Even including the fact that we didn't make the playoffs due to him hiding an injury, we were 8-3 and had just beaten a 10-0 team on the road, and Favre was having the best QB season in Jets history - and this was at age 38/39 with Schitty as his OC.

 

Favre was AWFUL, he cost us a div title and a chance at a SB.  nice meaningless #s that were skewed by one great game.  he killed us that year, if Chad was our QB we easily win a rare division title and have a legit SB chance.

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Thought of including him, but he also threw 22 interceptions that year, and failed to make the playoffs. 

Favre was awful in 2008, he had a nice 3-4 game stretch against a weaker sched than 2015 and no Brady around and still couldn't get us to the playoffs.  Chad took 1 win dolphin team from 2007 and won 11 in 2008 and the div title.

 

Sanchez's 2010 season was far better than Favre 2008 or Fitz 2010 though his #s weren't great.  some fans can only see #s though(that is not about you).

[Augustiniak]

fitz also rushed for 21 first downs and 2 tds.  this needs to be factored in.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

fitz also rushed for 21 first downs and 2 tds.  this needs to be factored in.

Chad had 2 rush TDs in 2002, Vinny 1 in 1998(does anyone remember that one?)

the bottom line is that despite having the most talent to throw to he came up short w/ the season on the line against a mediocre team.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

Chad had 2 rush TDs in 2002, Vinny 1 in 1998(does anyone remember that one?)

the bottom line is that despite having the most talent to throw to he came up short w/ the season on the line against a mediocre team.

and he'll have even more talent this season.

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

and he'll have even more talent this season.

yep though the OL may not be as good.  either way he has enough talent to win, let's see him get it done.  I am rooting for him, put up similar #s to last year(could be a little worse) while getting us to postseason and winning some games in postseason and he'll jump up the list.

[Patriot Killa]

42 minutes ago, JiF said:

Stats are cute but one of these guys didnt do something these other guys did. 

Words out of my mouth.

[oc_jet]

All those other guys had very good seasons, but Joe Namath in 1967 was the first to throw for 4000 yards when 3000 was monster for most QBs. The great Sonny Jurgensen was close in 67 with 3747, but no one else topped 4000 until  Dan Fouts 12 years later...just sayin...

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, oc_jet said:

All those other guys had very good seasons, but Joe Namath in 1967 was the first to throw for 4000 yards when 3000 was monster for most QBs. The great Sonny Jurgensen was close in 67 with 3747, but no one else topped 4000 until  Dan Fouts 12 years later...just sayin...

4,000 yards was great but he threw away the Jets playoff chances that season with INTs.  His 1967 season belongs nowhere near a greatest season list.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

1.  Vinny in '98

2.  O'Brien in '85 (A downfield thrower going 29/7 was remarkable)

3.  Favre in '08 (even higher if you want to exclude the final 5 games when he was hurt; for first 11 games he was having the best season in Jets history)

4.  Fitz in '15

5.  Pennington in '02 (He was a dumpoff machine most of the season, then collapsed in the postseason and was exposed the rest of his career)

Agree 1-3, not sure how I'd place 4 &5.  Not like Fitz wasn't just as much a dump off machine.  And he has every rule eased up over what Chad dealt with.  

But those are 1-5

[oc_jet]

Just now, nyjunc said:

4,000 yards was great but he threw away the Jets playoff chances that season with INTs.  His 1967 season belongs nowhere near a greatest season list.

Understood and agreed that he killed us with interceptions...but he still did something that no one else had ever done. That year laid the groundwork for the Super Bowl season

[nyjunc]

Just now, oc_jet said:

Understood and agreed that he killed us with interceptions...but he still did something that no one else had ever done. That year laid the groundwork for the Super Bowl season

it did lay the groundwork as they scaled back his attempts next year to limit his INts.  If they don't do that they don't make that run.

[nyjunc]

I don't understand how anyone can be impressed in any way w/ Favre in 2008.  he absolutely killed us that year.

[JiFtheOracle]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Agree 1-3, not sure how I'd place 4 &5.  Not like Fitz wasn't just as much a dump off machine.  And he has every rule eased up over what Chad dealt with.  

But those are 1-5

Chad took over a 1-3 team, took them to 9-7, won the division and a playoff game.  Fitz threw for a bunch of TD's in a new era of Football and failed to make the playoffs facing a cup cake schedule and choked in a win and in game.  

They're not even in the same boat, if you ask me. 

[Beerfish]

17 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I don't understand how anyone can be impressed in any way w/ Favre in 2008.  he absolutely killed us that year.

Probably the same way most can't understand your love of mark sanchez.  Favre had the team at 8-3 had just crushed the previously unbeaten titans in tennessee, had just beat the pats in new england and then he got hurt and sutton and mangini choked up on defense. 

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Probably the same way most can't understand your love of mark sanchez.  Favre had the team at 8-3 had just crushed the previously unbeaten titans in tennessee, had just beat the pats in new england and then he got hurt and sutton and mangini choked up on defense. 

the team was 8-3, favre didn't have them there.  he played about 3-4 good games and killed us in a bunch of others.  He beat the Matt Cassell led Pats in NE(and almost blew that game) after being beaten by the Cassell led Pats in cassell's first ever start earlier in the season.  he was hurt in october, the poor play in late Nov/Dec was an excuse.  he wants to be the iron man then wants to use playing hurt as an excuse.  that doesn't work.  he KILLED us that season.

 

I like Mark Sanchez, I appreciate what he did for us.  No he wasn't great, he didn't put up monster #s but he made big plays to help us win big games and help my team get closer to a SB than at any point since 1968.