Gas2No99 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Bruce Arians on draftable QBs: Only one guy ready to play right away Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer PHOENIX -- Only one of the quarterbacks eligible for the NFL draft is ready to play right away. That's the word from Arizona Cardinals coach Bruce Arians, who addressed the draft class at the NFL's annual spring meetings. "I’m not going to mention names," Arians said. "I think one of them is ready to start as a rookie. I think all the rest there are some really talented arms that need a year of learning how to play the position, especially at this level.” The natural discussion that followed was to try identifying the one who can play immediately. It was all guesswork. His one-guy assessment perfectly illustrates the challenge for the quarterback-needy Cleveland Browns as they prepare for the draft. They traded a pick a year ago that could have been Carson Wentz, and now they must choose between several players with talent, most of whom will require a 1-15 team to be patient and wait for the right time to put them on the field. Arians is one of the true NFL "quarterback whisperers," and his resume supports it. His history is filled with quarterbacks he coached who played well. He worked with Peyton Manning. He got the best years out of Tim Couch (whom he stands by to this day, part of the reason players love him) and he got a 400-plus-yard playoff game out of Kelly Holcomb. He helped make Ben Roethlisberger what he is, had great success with Andrew Luck and has had success with Carson Palmer in Arizona. One of the great failings of the Browns, post-1999, was that they failed to hire him as coach -- not once, but twice. (Alas we digress.) Mitch Trubisky has a strong arm, but is he ready to step into an NFL starting job? Joe Robbins/Getty Images Given Arians will always answer a question honestly, it's wise to turn to him for a fair evaluation of the group that includes Mitch Trubisky of North Carolina, Deshaun Watson of Clemson, DeShone Kizer of Notre Dame, Patrick Mahomes of Texas Tech and Davis Webb of Cal. Arians wasn't mentioning names of who can and can't play right away because he may be in the market to draft one. But he did give this individual evaluation of Trubisky: "Really talented player. The growth potential is obviously there. The question is why wasn’t all that talent starting for the last three years? That’s always bugging me. So you have to go and answer those questions with him, with his coach. But the physical talent is there.” He also chuckled at anyone comparing Trubisky to Aaron Rodgers, a future Hall of Famer who started 25 games at Cal. “That’s a hell of a scout; I don’t know how you can compare those two," Arians said. "When Aaron was coming out, he was in a totally different offense. I’m old enough to know when Aaron came out because I evaluated him. I think Mitch probably has a stronger arm coming out than Aaron did. But to say anybody reminds you of somebody, to me it’s just physically stature-wise or just arm-strength wise. "I wouldn’t put that much pressure on a guy to say he’s Aaron Rodgers.” One of the key traits Arians looks for in a quarterback is the ability to process information quickly and under duress. "What’s my protection? Am I hot? Do I have a sight adjustment weak side? What’s the coverage? Who do I throw to in this coverage? That all happens in 1.5 seconds," he said. "If you can’t process that information, you probably can’t play.” Arians also laments the changes in the college game to spread formations and calling plays quickly from the sidelines. That offense limits the number of plays a quarterback runs and complicates the transition to the far more complex pro game. Almost all of the draft-eligible quarterbacks come from that system, where the emphasis is on pace and calling plays quickly as opposed to pre-snap reads for coverage and protections. One element of the transition that Arians said is among the most difficult is something that from the outside seems natural: calling plays from the huddle. "[Spread quarterbacks] never got in a huddle [in college] and looked at 10 other guys who’ve got families to feed, and had to call a play," Arians said. "They just look to the sideline, kick their foot and roll. “That’s the hardest thing for these kids, to come to minicamp, get in a professional huddle and try to lead these guys. You have to give them a wristband because they can’t spit it out. Or you have to give them a wristband and then all the guys in the huddle get pissed off because he can’t call the play. - ***WHY MCCOWN WAS BROUGHt IN*** "I’m not making eye contact with you and you don’t have a helluva lot of confidence that I know what I’m talking about. “We had a young guy in Pittsburgh who had all the talent in the world, but he could not call a play and he could not go to the line and use a snap count. It destroyed all of his confidence." (Omar Jacobs or Dennis Dixon? Only QBs drafted from '04-'11 other than Ben) Browns coach Hue Jackson said that's one reason he emphasizes private workouts over pro days -- to give himself every chance possible to get as much information as he can. "Trust me," Jackson said. "We go the extra mile with these guys. We really do. We spend a lot of time with them, and there's a lot of specific things that we ask them to do. I think if you talk to a lot of the quarterbacks, it's probably different than any other place that they've had to deal with thus far." “Again, that’s the evaluation," Arians said. "If you’re [looking] for plug-and-play, again this draft is very small. But if you have time to bring them along, then this draft is large. But the plug-and-play guys are very small.” He didn't mean in stature -- he meant in numbers. The challenge for the Browns is finding that one guy who is most ready to play in an NFL offense. "Some guys might be really able to process football but can't play as well," Jackson said. "Some guys play as well and can't process football. So somewhere in between it's the right fit and the right medium for a player -- for us to consider to be a quarterback on our football team." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 We had a young guy in Pittsburgh who had all the talent in the world, but he could not call a play and he could not go to the line and use a snap count. It destroyed all of his confidence." anyone know who this is? Kordell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: anyone know who this is? Kordell? Kordell Stewart had many flaws, lacking in confidence was not one of them Cross referencing Steelers draft history with the Bruce Arians career there 04-11, Dennis Dixon and Omar Jacobs would both be prime candidates. Both were 5th rounders, and each a special kind of suck. Brian St. Pierre was drafted in 03 another 5th rounder who blew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Yep Arians is a professional coach and the talking heads aren't "This guy has prototypical size, hands, penis..." blah blah. Who cares. Tom Brady, Super Joe, they have nothing any other QB has physically. But they sure as sh*t can process information under pressure and call a play, not just for one good half but for game after game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: We had a young guy in Pittsburgh who had all the talent in the world, but he could not call a play and he could not go to the line and use a snap count. It destroyed all of his confidence." anyone know who this is? Kordell? Probably Dennis Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Watson, hopefully the Jets don't blow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Bruce Arians has won nothing in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Bruce Arians has won nothing in the NFL. Right, except Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Right, except Super Bowls. As a head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltflo Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Watson, hopefully the Jets don't blow it. This is the kid to take a chance on. He almost beat Bama back to back on shear force of will. An Bama is as close to a pro team as any on the college level. He may not be ready to start but if we are as bad as everyone appears to think we will be, by the eighth game he maybe ready for live action. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: As a head coach? You don't get to cherry pick. Bruce Arians is credited w/ developing Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Andrew Luck, reviving Carson Palmer and would be our best coach since Weeb if he came here. His health concerns willing, he'll win one as a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, Mogglez said: You don't get to cherry pick. Bruce Arians is credited w/ developing Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Andrew Luck, reviving Carson Palmer and would be our best coach since Weeh if he came here. His health concerns willing, he'll win one as a head coach. Arians has said some eye rolling things with regards to the game but he knows quarterbacks. He wouldn't be rolling out old ass Carson Palmer if he didn't have to. the media hyperventilating over Kaep not having a job just shows how stupid they are. If Kaepernick played for Arians he'd have to physically be in he huddle telling him who to throw the ball to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Arians has said some eye rolling things with regards to the game but he knows quarterbacks. He wouldn't be rolling out old ass Carson Palmer if he didn't have to. the media hyperventilating over Kaep not having a job just shows how stupid they are. If Kaepernick played for Arians he'd have to physically be in he huddle telling him who to throw the ball to. I'll never forget watching him miss Boldin (?) uncovered. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mogglez said: You don't get to cherry pick. Bruce Arians is credited w/ developing Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Andrew Luck, reviving Carson Palmer and would be our best coach since Weeb if he came here. His health concerns willing, he'll win one as a head coach. Arians didn't develop sh*t Manning,Big Ben and Andrew Luck were franchise QB's way before they met Bruce Arians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 ***WHY MCCOWN WAS BROUGH IN*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 It's being reported that the QB Arians is referring to is Kizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: ***WHY MCCOWN WAS BROUGH IN*** HEY GENIUS! You FORGOT the letter T! I pity the . . . you know the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, bitonti said: Kordell Stewart had many flaws, lacking in confidence was not one of them Cross referencing Steelers draft history with the Bruce Arians career there 04-11, Dennis Dixon and Omar Jacobs would both be prime candidates. Both were 5th rounders, and each a special kind of suck. Brian St. Pierre was drafted in 03 another 5th rounder who blew. Dennis Dixon's my best guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, King P said: It's being reported that the QB Arians is referring to is Kizer What offense did Notre Dame run? Was it a pro offense? Is it safe to assume if it's not a Spread offense in college it has SOME aspects that are more like Pro ball? is it an either/or type of deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, King P said: It's being reported that the QB Arians is referring to is Kizer from where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: Dennis Dixon's my best guess. It's interesting that AFTEr his Steelers stint he NEVER made an ACTIVE roster again despite going through Four more teams. Arians DID bring in Dixon to Arz in '14 but INTERESTING that he was merely a practice arm. Found this nugget: Cardinals make moves, bring in QB Dennis Dixon Getty Images Once upon a time, Dennis Dixon was an intriguing quarterback prospect. Even though that time was a long time ago, he’s still getting chances. The Cardinals signed the 29-year-old Dixon to the practice squad, among a flurry of other moves. They also placed punter Dave Zastudil on season-ending injured reserve, outside linebacker Matt Shaughnessy on IR/designated for return, promoted punter Drew Butler from the practice squad and signed outside linebacker Marcus Benard. Dixon, a former fifth-round pick from Oregon, was with Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians in Pittsburgh from 2008-2011. He’s also had stints with the Ravens, Eagles and Bills. He knows the system Arians wants to run, and can at least offer a serviceable practice option while the rest of their quarterbacks are banged up, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just now, HessStation said: from where? he's correct. I divulged it in ANOTHER thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 that's WHY I keep asking WHAT type of OFFENSE does Notre Dame run? No answers as of yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said: What offense did Notre Dame run? Was it a pro offense? Is it safe to assume if it's not a Spread offense in college it has SOME aspects that are more like Pro ball? is it an either/or type of deal? ND runs a very pro style offense, and by that I mean they're the closest you'll get to the traditional offenses of yesteryear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, King P said: ND runs a very pro style offense, and by that I mean they're the closest you'll get to the traditional offenses of yesteryear Thank you. ( DEEEEEEEP BREATH) With that confirmed. I think Jets MAY (I'm going to KICK myself in the NUTZ) take Kizer at #6 UNLESS ARZ trades up, b/c Palmer ain't lasting a full season. I'm aghast. Props, BTW, for that DMX album avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just now, Gas2No99 said: Thank you. ( DEEEEEEEP BREATH) With that confirmed. I think Jets MAY (I'm going to KICK myself in the NUTZ) take Kizer at #6 UNLESS ARZ trades up, b/c Palmer ain't lasting a full season. I'm aghast. I like Kizer alot, so I wouldn't mind lol. I'd rather trade down though. I highly doubt Arizona trades up for Kizer. They may not even take him at 13 even if he is available. We don't know how highly Arians rates Kizer. Just because he thinks Kizer is the only QB in the draft that is ready to start Day 1 doesn't mean he has Kizer as his highest rated QB. They don't need a QB to plug in Day 1. I could easily see Arizona going receiver in Round 1 and then drafting a QB like Mahomes or Webb on Day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Woody Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said: that's WHY I keep asking WHAT type of OFFENSE does Notre Dame run? No answers as of yet RPO https://prostylespreadoffense.com/2017/01/02/rpo-run-pass-option-new-offense-concept/ Edit - Wait I made a mistake. That's what they are adding this season. I know Kelly is a Spread guy, but he's also a guy that has been said to add a lot of pro-style elements to the offense. I know Kizer was able to make calls from the line in certain situations based on games watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 51 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said: he's correct. I divulged it in ANOTHER thread. But from where? i would like to see what he says, is what I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, HessStation said: But from where? i would like to see what he says, is what I'm saying http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/31/bruce-arians-believe-deshone-kizer-is-only-qb-in-draft-ready-to-start-as-rookie/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 7 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Arians didn't develop sh*t Manning,Big Ben and Andrew Luck were franchise QB's way before they met Bruce Arians. If you actually believe this then I don't know what to tell you. Manning struggled early on in his career and credits Bruce (who had him as a rookie) as a huge reason why the light finally went on for him. Ben considers him a second father and a coach who gave him knowledge he'll use for the rest of his career. I don't even need to say all of this though because they did all of the talking for me 4 years ago when he was hired by the Cardinals: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cards/2013/08/27/peyton-manning-ben-roethlisberger-andrew-luck-bruce-arians/2711299/ So again, other than Super Bowls and multiple "Coach of the Year" awards, yeah, I guess Bruce Arians hasn't won or done "anything" in the league. By all means, continue to feel that way because he pissed you off by defending Bowles this week. It just looks silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATX Jetsfan Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Nathan Peterman? I know not a high profile guy, but he really is one of few guys who i think at least could step on an NFL field and have a semblance of an idea what to do. Kaaya was from a pro-style offense and 3 year starter... Hear rumors that he likes Webb, but I dont think he is anywhere near ready. Perhaps Kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 9 hours ago, Gas2No99 said: that's WHY I keep asking WHAT type of OFFENSE does Notre Dame run? No answers as of yet I wouldn't say ND runs a pro style offense in pure form. Watching them last year I saw a lot of spread formations and a lot of QB option plays. The QB does line up under center at times. ND had a big strong front line and got a good push off the ball. Jets don't have the dominance on the front line that ND had. But don't get me wrong Kizer IMO was a great college QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 9 hours ago, King P said: http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/31/bruce-arians-believe-deshone-kizer-is-only-qb-in-draft-ready-to-start-as-rookie/ TY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 13 hours ago, dbatesman said: ***WHY MCCOWN WAS BROUGH IN*** To suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 9 hours ago, King P said: http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/31/bruce-arians-believe-deshone-kizer-is-only-qb-in-draft-ready-to-start-as-rookie/ Kizer is the best QB in this draft. Experts can say whatever they want they had Goff and Lynch rated ahead of both Wentz and Prescott last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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