Per sources, Jets could offer Kirk Cousins fully guaranteed contract. (Merged Cousins Jets $$$ thread)

[T0mShane]

23 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Light years away from being competitive?

In your opinion is the following a reasonable  scenario:

The Jets add Ryan Jensen, Paul Richardson and basically any CB in FA along with cousins.

Then add Quentin Nelson at 6, any pass rusher with one second round pick and either a RB or WR with the other.

Is that team worse then the broncos?  The truth is that Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachem are much better players then anyone on the Broncos roster, and they have very little money to add a lineman in FA.

Yes denver has a good history, which is why Elway isn't getting skewered like Mac for not building a good OLine, hiring a bad, defensive-minded coach, and drafting a terrible QB in round 1

Nice to see we’re already starting in on the “Kirk needs more weppinz” defenses three years early.

[Augustiniak]

if cousins wants to win and is willing to sign at a discount, he'll go to minnesota

if cousins wants to win and doesn't want to give up that much money, he'll go to denver.

if cousins wants to be the highest paid player in the nfl and stick it to everyone who passed over him in the draft, he'll sign with the jets.  

 

[MDL_JET]

14 minutes ago, JiF said:

I dont know where it went but I posted that comment in a thread quoting Cimini saying the Jets will give Cousins a whatever he wants ie; a blank check

 

They have a ton of money to spend. They need a QB. A good one is hitting the market. Sooooo what's the problem here? 

[jetspenguin]

54 minutes ago, Dcat said:

You are forgetting who the Jets Head Coach is.  Even the overall #1 pick would sit on Bowle's bench for at least 2 years.

lol this is funny to say but there is no truth to it or proof of it. We havent had a qb worth playing to know if a truly GOOD rookie qb would play or sit. This is just speculation and in fact Bowles has played the rookies that can actually ball. Only the bums have had to take a seat. 

[Jet Life]

Bring in Kirk, Macc has been horrible but can redeem himself! #GoMaccGo!

[SMC]

On 2/17/2018 at 3:28 PM, T0mShane said:

Like, you’d be able to take every nightmare move made by any GM you currently love to hate—Idzik, Tanny, Steinberg, whoever—and forget about it because this would obliterate the idiocy of anything you’ve ever witnessed as a Jets fan. Yet again, this is a spot where an Executive VP in charge of Football Ops could step in and intervene, but alas. 

One of my sports-fandom dream is to have an owner fire a GM or other top executive on the spot and have him escorted out of the building to prevent him from making an idiotic move.  ESPN would have reporters at the facility talking about the chaos in real time.

A fully guaranteed $120 million deal would be close.

[Lupz27]

11 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

They have a ton of money to spend. They need a QB. A good one is hitting the market. Sooooo what's the problem here? 

Paying just a good QB 30+ million with most likely 100+ million guaranteed is the problem.

[Lupz27]

29 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Cousins who compares to a Stafford or Ryan?

He really doesn’t sorry.

[pdxgreen]

We will get Cousins and sign him to a huge contract.  And some SOJF's will still complain about it.  I just know it!

[Lupz27]

19 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

 

if cousins wants to win and is willing to sign at a discount, he'll go to minnesota

 

Only place Cousins has a shot at winning anything, but still a question mark with Shurmer gone, but DeFiippo has a big fan base around the NFL so maybe they won’t miss a beat.

[MDL_JET]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Paying just a good QB 30+ million with most likely 100+ million guaranteed is the problem.

I said before I don't think the Jets are just gonna dump all their money at Cousins and call it a day. That accomplishes nothing and they know that. They obviously need to add more pieces. But they also know they need a long term answer at QB and Cousins is that. And other teams know that as well, that's why we're not the only ones trying to add him. It's not gonna cripple the team. 

 

[k-met57]

6 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

He really doesn’t sorry.

what do you base that on? Matt Ryan has Julio Jones, Freeman, etc... and threw 7 less TD's this year then Cousins. You can certainly make the argument, but i don't get how you arrive at the statement as a fact. And if you want to tell me that Ryan has proven playoff success, then i'd ask you what playoff success Stafford has had...

[SMC]

Kirk Cousins with a good draft and an easy schedule could get the Jets past what Fitz did 3 yrs ago.  Perhaps that is Macc's thinking.

I'm not going to lie, I'm in favor of throwing big money at Cousins because that's what getting QBs take these days.  No starter comes cheap.  Giving all guaranteed money, though, is tough.

[k-met57]

i am starting to understand why jets fans cant have nice things....they manage to make sh*t out of anything positive...

[Lupz27]

Just now, k-met57 said:

what do you base that on? Matt Ryan has Julio Jones, Freeman, etc... and threw 7 less TD's this year then Cousins. You can certainly make the argument, but i don't get how you arrive at the statement as a fact. And if you want to tell me that Ryan has proven playoff success, then i'd ask you what playoff success Stafford has had...

Win Loss record is all I care about 25-30-1 just isn’t the mark of a good QB sorry.

[k-met57]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

Win Loss record is all I care about 25-30-1 just isn’t the mark of a good QB sorry.

so you would rather have Joe Flacco over Cam Newton? got it... 

[Lupz27]

Jeez man I’d love to know what Aaron Rodgers would get if the league actually enforced its own rules, and made him a Free Agent.

7 Years 300 million 150 million guaranteed?  He is 10x the QB Cousins will ever be!

[MDL_JET]

3 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Win Loss record is all I care about 25-30-1 just isn’t the mark of a good QB sorry.

Do you think Philip Rivers is a better QB then Cousins? 

[Lupz27]

Just now, k-met57 said:

so you would rather have Joe Flacco over Cam Newton? got it... 

Yes that means I would have celebrated a Super Bowl victory in the last 5 years so yes sign me up for Joe Flacco as the Jets QB!

This is why you draft your own QB, and not over pay Neil O’Donnells for what they have done (in this case only statistically speaking not winning speaking, and last year he was utter sh*t IMO).

[k-met57]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

Jeez man I’d love to know what Aaron Rodgers would get if the league actually enforced its own rules, and made him a Free Agent.

7 Years 300 million 150 million guaranteed?  He is 10x the QB Cousins will ever be!

Aaron Rodgers has carried a team with mediocre offensive line, mediocre defense, and mediocre running backs for 10 years now...he should get as much as he can. that being said, not everyone is an all time great QB...and in the world where the market value for Mike Glennon is 18 million, and Jimmy G with 5 career starts 28m the market value for Kirk Cousins is 30m...get over it.

[k-met57]

1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

Yes that means I would have celebrated a Super Bowl victory in the last 5 years so yes sign me up for Joe Flacco as the Jets QB!

This is why you draft your own QB, and not over pay Neil O’Donnells for what they have done (in this case only statistically speaking not winning speaking, and last year he was utter sh*t IMO).

so you care about the wins and losses but only if you could look back in time? you are starting a team today....do you take Flacco or Netwon? please say Flacco so we can end this dumb argument.

Cousins last year had QB rating over 90, threw for 27 TD's on a team that was decimated by injury. Being a jet fan, you have some balls to call that utter sh*t. if he did that on the jets, he would get a status.

[Lupz27]

Just now, MDL_JET said:

Do you think Philip Rivers is a better QB then Cousins? 

Yes, I think there are 21 QB’s better then Kirk Cousins, so sorry if I don’t want to pay #22 the most money ever in the history of the NFL because stupidity, and incompetence.

[Lupz27]

1 minute ago, k-met57 said:

so you care about the wins and losses but only if you could look back in time? you are starting a team today....do you take Flacco or Netwon? please say Flacco so we can end this dumb argument.

Cousins last year had QB rating over 90, threw for 27 TD's on a team that was decimated by injury. Being a jet fan, you have some balls to call that utter sh*t. if he did that on the jets, he would get a status.

Did you miss the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph?  You draft, and develop your own QB, and like the Redskins when you realize you can’t win with him you move on!

[SMC]

Jets fully guaranteed Revis first 2 years.  So it's not out of question that Cousins would get guaranteed years up front.  Having the how contract guaranteed seems nuts though.

A 4 yr, $120 million deal with $90 million guaranteed (1st 3 years) for a soon-to-be 30 yr old QB seems like where the market is at.  Would Jets do that?  I think so.

[Lupz27]

3 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

so you care about the wins and losses but only if you could look back in time? you are starting a team today....do you take Flacco or Netwon? please say Flacco so we can end this dumb argument.

Cousins last year had QB rating over 90, threw for 27 TD's on a team that was decimated by injury. Being a jet fan, you have some balls to call that utter sh*t. if he did that on the jets, he would get a status.

The QB for the Jets last year did do better then those stats, and nobody is begging for him back.

[Lupz27]

Just now, SMC said:

Jets fully guaranteed Revis first 2 years.  So it's not out of question that Cousins would get guaranteed years up front.  Having the how contract guaranteed seems nuts though.

A 4 yr, $120 million deal with $90 million guaranteed (1st 3 years) for a soon-to-be 30 yr old QB seems like where the market is at.  Would Jets do that?  I think so.

Would they yes.  Should they **** no!

[SMC]

3 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Yes, I think there are 21 QB’s better then Kirk Cousins, so sorry if I don’t want to pay #22 the most money ever in the history of the NFL because stupidity, and incompetence.

The problem with this notion is that Cousins' "most in history" deal will be eclipsed next year.  That's the way the NFL works.  

We can't scoff at the largeness of the number because salaries always increase.  The issue is if it prevents a team from improving elsewhere.

[MDL_JET]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

Yes, I think there are 21 QB’s better then Kirk Cousins, so sorry if I don’t want to pay #22 the most money ever in the history of the NFL because stupidity, and incompetence.

Cmon but Rivers is 60-68 the last 8 years. Idkkkkk if thats the mark of a good QB. 

[k-met57]

1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

The QB for the Jets last year did do better then those stats, and nobody is begging for him back.

so 18 TD's and 3000 yards is better then 27 TD's and 4000 yards?

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

Did you miss the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph?  You draft, and develop your own QB, and like the Redskins when you realize you can’t win with him you move on!

You think the Redskins "realized they can't win with him"?  And that's why they are letting him go in favor of Alex Smith?  Are you kidding? That is 100% completely incorrect.   Redskins desperately tried to sign him last off season.  Cousins would have none of it.  He is done with Snyder and Allen and knew it before the start of camp last summer.  He didn't even respond to their offers.  

[Sully80]

I want Cousins, I'm for giving up big money for him. However, this is why Mac and Bowles should've been fired, now both of their seats are hot and neither of them want to bet their career on a rookie QB no matter how good they are so we'll get the sure thing while we're in cap hell in a few years. 30 million for Cousins is a lot, 30 Million guaranteed for 5-6 years? unheard of

[SMC]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

Would they yes.  Should they **** no!

Understandable, but someone is going to give Cousins that money.

It comes to the point of a debate being between getting the QB vs. remaining metaphysically fiscally responsible but QB-less.

[Sully80]

3 minutes ago, SMC said:

Jets fully guaranteed Revis first 2 years.  So it's not out of question that Cousins would get guaranteed years up front.  Having the how contract guaranteed seems nuts though.

A 4 yr, $120 million deal with $90 million guaranteed (1st 3 years) for a soon-to-be 30 yr old QB seems like where the market is at.  Would Jets do that?  I think so.

I would do that, add 3 years of 30 million to the tune of $180 with 130-40 of that being guaranteed, I wouldn't

[BCJet]

18 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Win Loss record is all I care about 25-30-1 just isn’t the mark of a good QB sorry.

21st, 28th and 28th - thats the Redskins team defensive ranking the 3 years that cousins started.  Guess thats his fault too

[MDL_JET]

2 minutes ago, Sully80 said:

I want Cousins, I'm for giving up big money for him. However, this is why Mac and Bowles should've been fired, now both of their seats are hot and neither of them want to bet their career on a rookie QB no matter how good they are so we'll get the sure thing while we're in cap hell in a few years. 30 million for Cousins is a lot, 30 Million guaranteed for 5-6 years? unheard of

Theyre doing the smart thing and going after a good Qb that will available on the market. You have this established QB with a ton of talent and your team is in desperate need of one....why WOULDNT you go after that guy??? Especially when you're sitting at 6 and have no idea how the draft would unfold.