NFL to improve team's Draft position if it hires person of color for GM, Head Coach positions (MERGED)

[Jetsfan80]

31 minutes ago, The Walrus said:

Don't care if they are proposing a 1 spot bump in the 7th, soon as you start to treat people different based on race it all goes downhill.

People of color have been getting treated differently on the basis of race since pretty much the dawn of human existence.  

And no, this isn't an instance of "reverse racism".  

[Philc1]

In b4 lock!

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

2 hours ago, Young Jetty said:

Belichick will submit documents to the league office stating he is 16% Jamaican

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, KRL said:

I guess this nonsense has come up because Eric Bienemy (KC - OC) didn't
get a job this cycle.  But my view is Bienemy has been a "hot candidate"
the last 2 years (the Jets interviewed him) and he hasn't gotten past
the initial process.  Is that because of racism or could it be Bienemy
doesn't interview well?  Since the Jets haven't had a problem hiring
black coaches, I think Bienemy hasn't been impressive in the interviews.
He needs to work on that not be given a job because of his color
 

Whether or not Bieniemy was the straw that broke the camel's back, the overall data reflects that black and minority coaches have seen a downturn in opportunities. 

I think the better example of unfair practices might be when Arizona fired Steve Wilks after just 1 season.  Though at least he was able to immediately fall back to a DC position with the Browns, I suppose.  

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

31 minutes ago, Pac said:

I heard a rumor they're contemplating an automatic Wild Card slot If you hire an Eskimo for a coordinator position.

[The Walrus]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

People of color have been getting treated differently on the basis of race since pretty much the dawn of human existence.  

And no, this isn't an instance of "reverse racism".  

So you admit treating people different based on color isn't a good thing and you insist it continues.

[Jetsfan80]

21 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

It’s not about the sport it’s about appeasing a small percentage of the population with an asinine PC gesture. Just let the best person get the job no matter what the job is. Outside of the giants there’s not one racist team out there. Teams would hire a gay purple midget if it helped them win. 

Please.  Houston Texans owner Bob McNair once said during an NFL Owners meeting that you can't "have the inmates running the prison."  At least several of the 32 owners  (nearly all older white men) in the league are racist. 

The racist attitudes may not be reflected in a lot of the hiring practices or the way they conduct business, but you're putting on blinders now if you really think there aren't race-related problems in the NFL from a hiring standpoint.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, The Walrus said:

So you admit treating people different based on color isn't a good thing and you insist it continues.

No.  As I said in my final sentence of the post, this isn't reverse racism.  This isn't white people coming under attack. 

The idea of building a pipeline of black and minority HC/GM candidates is an attempt to level the playing field, not swing the scales.  

[RJIII]

This is about as racist as it gets! Guess this opens the door for teams to get draft upgrades for signing more "white" guys to the roster. 

[The Walrus]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No.  As I said in my final sentence of the post, this isn't reverse racism.  This isn't white people coming under attack. 

The idea of building a pipeline of black and minority HC/GM candidates is an attempt to level the playing field, not swing the scales.  

Building a pipeline for blacks because they were treated differently by continuing to treating blacks differently. There is no reverse racism, there is just racism.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

7 minutes ago, RJIII said:

This is about as racist as it gets! Guess this opens the door for teams to get draft upgrades for signing more "white" guys to the roster. 

[Jets Voice of Reason]

30 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

This new rule proposal will not work and its not well thought out in terms of fixing the problem.  But the idea that meritocracy is actually a real thing in most industries is also crap and has been thoroughly dismantled.  This has especially been proven to not be true in the NFL, where up until recently it was incredibly difficult to become a black QB or later a black QB coach, which is the strongest path towards achieving an HC job.  

The NFL has always been a good old boys club.  Some measure of incentive for building a stronger pipeline of black and other minority HC's and front office execs is a good thing.  

Leave it to the NFL to bumble the crap out of this with an arbitrary solution. Like King P and yourself are saying, it takes about 5 minutes to figure out a way to game this system. That’s stupid. 

The other consideration though is that this is a solution that doesn’t really cost money to implement, hence is attractive. Goodell has proven time and again he’s completely tone deaf to the detriment that social issues have on their brand- cough domestic violence- it’s pure bottom line with him. 

[Jets Voice of Reason]

35 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

This new rule proposal will not work and its not well thought out in terms of fixing the problem.  But the idea that meritocracy is actually a real thing in most industries is also crap and has been thoroughly dismantled.  This has especially been proven to not be true in the NFL, where up until recently it was incredibly difficult to become a black QB or later a black QB coach, which is the strongest path towards achieving an HC job.  

The NFL has always been a good old boys club.  Some measure of incentive for building a stronger pipeline of black and other minority HC's and front office execs is a good thing.  

Edited May 15, 2020 by Jets Voice of Reason
Double post

[RutgersJetFan]

52 minutes ago, The Walrus said:

Don't care if they are proposing a 1 spot bump in the 7th, soon as you start to treat people different based on race it all goes downhill.

I don't understand why a walrus would even want to chime in on this. You are all the same color and don't work.

[New York Mick]

12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Please.  Houston Texans owner Bob McNair once said during an NFL Owners meeting that you can't "have the inmates running the prison."  At least several of the 32 owners  (nearly all older white men) in the league are racist. 

The racist attitudes may not be reflected in a lot of the hiring practices or the way they conduct business, but you're putting on blinders now if you really think there aren't race-related problems in the NFL from a hiring standpoint.

Inmates running the prison is a widely used statement that was only made to be offensive because the overly pc culture we currently are in. 

Obviously there’s racism/sexism of all kinds in everything but rich people hire who they think will make them money. Wins make them money. 
 

Giving higher picks for hiring someone who is black is asinine. 

[Jetsfan80]

8 minutes ago, The Walrus said:

Building a pipeline for blacks because they were treated differently by continuing to treating blacks differently. There is no reverse racism, there is just racism.

Calling it reverse racism is just the equivalent of putting blinders on to ignore the problem.  You're demonstrating a complete inability to admit that this is something worth fixing or working on, and instead just assume the scales are already level.  

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Inmates running the prison is a widely used statement that was only made to be offensive because the overly pc culture we currently are in. 

No, the far more common phrase/usage is inmates running the ASYLUM, not prison.  His choice of words was quite telling and noticeable.  Like a Freudian slip.  And it brought the Owners meeting to a complete hault.  

[playtowinthegame]

3 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Per Trotter....and replies are priceless.

I swear I thought I was reading @T0mShane when I read Mr. Barrett's tweet. 

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I swear I thought I was reading @T0mShane when I read Mr. Barrett's tweet. 

If the guy doesn't look like Matthew Modine in his pic, its not Shane.

[The Walrus]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Calling it reverse racism is just the equivalent of putting blinders on to ignore the problem.  You're demonstrating a complete inability to admit that this is something worth fixing or working on, and instead just assume the scales are already level.  

It's your claim. Feel free to demonstrate I said something isn't worth fixing. I'm shooting down the method, which is treating a person different based on color, not the subject. 

[The Crusher]

19 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I don't understand why a walrus would even want to chime in on this. You are all the same color and don't work.

It’s us verses the egg man, coo coo ca choo! 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, The Walrus said:

It's your claim. Feel free to demonstrate I said something isn't worth fixing. I'm shooting down the method, which is treating a person different based on color, not the subject. 

Since its clear there's a problem with the pipeline of black people or minorities becoming a HC or GM, the only solution is giving them increased opportunities.  If you insist on calling that "treating them differently", then yes, that's what I'm advocating. 

I think the better way of thinking about it is giving them opportunities (primarily thru networking) they didn't have previously.  Whatever you want to call that is what I'm advocating, and it's a net positive if they can figure out a better way to do it than has been proposed before.  Training programs, like the one Hines Ward was offered and was mentioned earlier in this thread, is a great start.  

None of that is reverse racism, no matter how much you want to argue that it is.  

[The Walrus]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

It’s us verses the egg man, coo coo ca choo! 

Feel free to give it some meaning then , John.

[slats]

I cannot tell you people enough how disinterested I am in where you reside on the racism spectrum.