NFL to improve team's Draft position if it hires person of color for GM, Head Coach positions (MERGED)

[AFJF]

‪What if a team pursues a minority candidate who chooses not to leave their current position?‬

‪My top choice to replace Gase would be David Shaw but he reportedly has no interest in coming to the NFL.

 

 

[LockeJET]

Jessie Jackson for GM!!

[CurtMart]

We had Herm a while back. Is there a carryback  formula? Since it was so far back, maybe the compensation gets inflated? Lost value you know? I’m guessing two first and a second should be enough. Let’s do this!

[Jets Voice of Reason]

I’m not saying this is a good solution, but I find it pretty ironic that the arguments posted on here are rooted in things like “equality”, and “best person always gets the job”, when the lack of those two things are at the crux of why solutions like this are even being proposed. 

I don’t really expect anybody on here to change their personal opinion on it, but if you think there isn’t an issue in racial hiring practices in the NFL you are just being willfully ignorant about the data and what it implies. 

[kdels62]

I do think this is a dumb rule. I think it’s an issue that be addressed but the rule is idiotic.

[kdels62]

1 minute ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

I’m not saying this is a good solution, but I find it pretty ironic that the arguments posted on here are rooted in things like “equality”, and “best person always gets the job”, when the lack of those two things are at the crux of why solutions like this are even being proposed. 

I don’t really expect anybody on here to change their personal opinion on it, but if you think there isn’t an issue in racial hiring practices in the NFL you are just being willfully ignorant about the data and what it implies. 

Nah dude the only people qualified to be be coaches are white dudes that never played at a level greater than high school.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

9 minutes ago, King P said:

As a minority, I can tell you this is really ******* stupid.

It would solve nothing. I guarantee you'd just end up with teams using minorities as figurehead GMs, especially teams who's owners have alot of control (ie the Dallas Cowboys)

I could see Jerry Jones hiring someone like Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin to be his "GM" all while still actually making the pick himself 

Same here. I personally think what is needed is more Player to Coach intern programs a la what hines ward is for us and other such training/networking programs. What they need is a test model of it being successful for teams because If owners think it’ll give them a competitive advantage it will catch on. 

[Charlie Brown]

I understand the true and real concern for true equity in hiring but this is NOT the way to achieve it.

We must recognize reality, but to put in silly markers like this, only hurts in many ways and stigmatizes the very folk you are seeking to see advance.

One Nation..

One love..

One Humanity!

New Culture of Peace Now!!

[Lil O]

11 minutes ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said:

@Lil O is racist

I’m actually not a racist. That’s just silly. I also don’t think that this is a good idea so I agree that the best person should be hired. What I don’t like is the fact that we’re talking about something that involves minorities and race.  I simply down devoted your post because I didn’t like the post and you, not knowing me from Adam, have insulted me by calling me a racist.  I didn’t call you or anyone else a racist.  I don’t know you. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

I demand reparations if this passes!  

We kept Todd Bowles employed way longer than he deserved to be. 

[T0mShane]

I feel like we should get the first overall pick next year as a retroactive bonus for keeping Herm on the payroll for six years.

[themeangreenkillingmachine]

1 minute ago, Lil O said:

I’m actually not a racist. That’s just silly. I also don’t think that this is a good idea so I agree that the best person should be hired. What I don’t like is the fact that we’re talking about something that involves minorities and race.  I simply down devoted your post because I didn’t like the post and you, not knowing me from Adam, have insulted me by calling me a racist.  I didn’t call you or anyone else a racist.  I don’t know you. 

I don’t like your post either. Racist

[The Crusher]

Least it’s not another political covid thread. So, guess that’s nice. 

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

Same here. I personally think what is needed is more Player to Coach intern programs a la what hines ward is for us and other such training/networking programs. What they need is a test model of it being successful for teams because If owners think it’ll give them a competitive advantage it will catch on. 

Way too reasonable and thought out. 

[Lil O]

1 minute ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said:

I don’t like your post either. Racist

Hahaha...what are you like 12!  God Bless you! 

[JetsFanatic]

If thats true its moronic. 

[usanyj]

1 hour ago, Young Jetty said:

Belichick will submit documents to the league office stating he is 16% Jamaican

Elizabeth Warren says she thought of that first

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Seriously though, is a lack of minority coaches really a thing?

I feel like there have been a pretty substantial number through the years. 

Could probably use a few more GM's though.  Ozzie and McKenzie are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

1 hour ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29180225/nfl-proposal-improve-draft-picks-minority-hires

 

NFL is looking to reward teams for hiring minority coaches/front office personnel 

 

It seems they get the racism backwards. Hiring someone based on their skin color and not the best person for the job is racist in my book. I’m not aware of any rules that prevent teams from hiring minorities. 

Are you a minority?

If so, I DEMAND we close the other thread and let this one have a chance!

[JetsLife]

Ib4tl

[David Harris]

Jesus Christ I thought this was some sick joke.

 

The reality of this proposal is even more sickening.

[LockeJET]

Fire Gase, hire Mase!!

[Jimmy 2 Times]

21 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Are you a minority?

If so, I DEMAND we close the other thread and let this one have a chance!

 

I tried.  

Big Pharma wins again. 

[BurnleyJet]

IBL

[KRL]

Can we stop this PC "in my feelings" garbage.  As a black man I find this
proposal insulting.  Hire me because I'm the best person for the job.
I don't want to fulfill a quota and I don't want a pity job so you can
get an extra draft pick.  Moronic

[Jet Blast]

 

50 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

Same here. I personally think what is needed is more Player to Coach intern programs a la what hines ward is for us and other such training/networking programs. What they need is a test model of it being successful for teams because If owners think it’ll give them a competitive advantage it will catch on. 

I like where you are going with this, Jets Voice.

There is a definite problem with the lack of hiring minorities. The problem I have with this idea is it is potentially unfair to the the teams who get leapfrogged and drop down the draft order. It could encourage teams to hire minority coaches for the sole purpose of maintaining their draft position.

There must be a better way and I have no idea what it is.

 

[The Walrus]

1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said:

They're proposing a 6-spot bump in the 3rd round and a 4th round improvement if the coach or GM lasts through year 3. Calm down Karens.

Don't care if they are proposing a 1 spot bump in the 7th, soon as you start to treat people different based on race it all goes downhill.

[Kleckineau]

This can be debated until we are all dead however there will not be any significant progress regarding minority hires,  assts. HC GM et al until there are 30-40% minority owners. Caso cerrado.......

[Pac]

I heard a rumor they're contemplating an automatic Wild Card slot If you hire an Eskimo for a coordinator position.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

I feel like this wasnt thought through. It's patronizing at best.

The biggest loophole is a team constructed like New England, where Belichick is both the HC and GM.  They shouldn't be able to exploit this incentive by hiring a black "GM" who doesn't really do anything.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Pathetic, disgusting, deplorable, ridiculous and humiliating! The world is a competitive place. If you're the best you're the best... and if you don't cut it ..then you're not the best!

You lose!!

 Plain and simple.... You don't deserve a cookie because of your f****** race. 

Have a little f****** dignity!

This goes against everything that the word equality means in the first place! And all who fought and died for it for so many years. It's absolutely f****** disgraceful.

 

This new rule proposal will not work and its not well thought out in terms of fixing the problem.  But the idea that meritocracy is actually a real thing in most industries is also crap and has been thoroughly dismantled.  This has especially been proven to not be true in the NFL, where up until recently it was incredibly difficult to become a black QB or later a black QB coach, which is the strongest path towards achieving an HC job.  

The NFL has always been a good old boys club.  Some measure of incentive for building a stronger pipeline of black and other minority HC's and front office execs is a good thing.  

[KRL]

I guess this nonsense has come up because Eric Bienemy (KC - OC) didn't
get a job this cycle.  But my view is Bienemy has been a "hot candidate"
the last 2 years (the Jets interviewed him) and he hasn't gotten past
the initial process.  Is that because of racism or could it be Bienemy
doesn't interview well?  Since the Jets haven't had a problem hiring
black coaches, I think Bienemy hasn't been impressive in the interviews.
He needs to work on that not be given a job because of his color
 

[New York Mick]

1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm sorry this upsets you. Perhaps you could think about the times that you had with the 3rd and 4th round draft picks that were conditionally 1 slot higher in the past and find some joy in those memories.

It’s not about the sport it’s about appeasing a small percentage of the population with an asinine PC gesture. Just let the best person get the job no matter what the job is. Outside of the giants there’s not one racist team out there. Teams would hire a gay purple midget if it helped them win. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

‪What if a team pursues a minority candidate who chooses not to leave their current position?‬

‪My top choice to replace Gase would be David Shaw but he reportedly has no interest in coming to the NFL.

It's not always about going straight to the top of the chain and seeking out a black or minority HC.  It's about seeking, say, a black or minority WR/RB coach and making him your QB Coach.  Then developing him into your OC.  Then HC.  Like the path Byron Leftwich has taken.  And meanwhile you encourage other teams to do the same by talking up assistants of your own for other teams.  It's just simple networking that hadn't previously really been in place for many black or minority coaching candidates.

The Spurs didn't seek to become the first NBA team with a female HC, at least not right away.  They hired one to be an assistant under Pop.  Eventually, maybe she'll take over for the Spurs, or get a HC opportunity elsewhere.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Young Jetty said:

Belichick will submit documents to the league office stating he is 16% Jamaican