Orlovsky talks Darnold...Good interview

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, Y3k said:

Which bad play from Sunday do you think was caused by his feet not being set? 

5:20 mark on this youtube 

2nd quarter 3rd and 6 Int vs Matt Milano 

21-0 

jump pass

across his body

into the middle of the field

into double coverage

not a Bills defender within 5 yards of him

yikes

 

[Y3k]

11 minutes ago, bitonti said:

yeah ok but shouldn't a guy they pick at 3 overall, and trade all these picks for, be better than Mahomes or Jackson? Guys they passed over? 

the bar for Darnold gets lower and lower

"very good player"

the dude wears the C patch and can't set his feet 

How about this spicy take for as bad as Gase is, for as bad as this roster is, it's actually Darnold's endless development holding the team back at this point 

 

 

 

Yea you're right, Trevor Simian and Luke Falk showed that this offense has a lot of potential. 

[Y3k]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

5:16 

2nd quarter 3rd and 6 Int vs Matt Milano 

21-0 

jump pass

across his body

into the middle of the field

into double coverage

not a Bills defender within 5 yards of him

yikes

 

That's a stupid decision. The kind that happens when youre down 21-0 and you know that no one on your team can make a play to save their lives, you press to try and force something positive to happen. Look again, there is a defender running full speed towards him. You think if he sets his feet and throws that pass its a completion? It just would telegraph the pass even more allowing every defender in the area to make a play on the ball vs just 1. The only reason that ball even had half a chance of being completed was because it was a sudden throw.. 

[JustInFudge]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

yeah ok but shouldn't a guy they pick at 3 overall, and trade all these picks for, be better than Mahomes or Jackson? Guys they passed over? 

the bar for Darnold gets lower and lower

"very good player"

the dude wears the C patch and can't set his feet 

How about this spicy take for as bad as Gase is, for as bad as this roster is, it's actually Darnold's endless development holding the team back at this point 

 

 

 

I mean, yes but the history of the NFL has hundreds of examples of taking the wrong QB ahead of the right one.  So I dont blame Sam for Big Mac being an absolute moron.  Many of us wanted Watson and/or Mahomes.  We took a SS who is no longer on the team, how is that Sam's fault?

I will disagree that Sam is holding this team back.  It's pure sh*t from top to bottom.  Since Sam has been here, he's the only chance they have of winning a Football game.  7-6 when he was healthy last year with the worst OL in Football and the worst skills talent in Football.  That would speak to the opposite of Sam holding this team back.

 

 

[Y3k]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

I mean, yes but the history of the NFL has hundreds of examples of taking the wrong QB ahead of the right one.  So I dont blame Sam for Big Mac being an absolute moron.  Many of us wanted Watson and/or Mahomes.  We took a SS who is no longer on the team, how is that Sam's fault?

I will disagree that Sam is holding this team back.  It's pure sh*t from top to bottom.  Since Sam has been here, he's the only chance they have of winning a Football game.  7-6 when he was healthy last year with the worst OL in Football and the worst skills talent in Football.  That would speak to the opposite of Sam holding this team back.

 

 

That should be all the evidence you need to believe Sam Darnold is a franchise quarterback at 22 years old. Yet, you are here with doubt over one game. That is purely irrational man. 

[jeremy2020]

59 minutes ago, bitonti said:

"Magically sloppy" sounds like the name of the cheapest strip club in Atlantic City 

It's cheap, but it's not the cheapest.

[bitonti]

Just now, Y3k said:

Look again, there is a defender running full speed towards him. 

 

no. you look again

this is the moment of the throw from the all 22

there's no one near him 

 

[JustInFudge]

12 minutes ago, Y3k said:

What is the evidence that he's a bust? The fact that he improved in every statistical category from year 1 to year 2 despite mono and an 0-16 roster? The fact that he's battled the worst situation in the NFL to piece together long stretches of elite level play in both of his first two years? If you think a bad week 1 game against the #1 defense in the NFL means anything... I can't help you. Let's see what the rest of the NFL does against that Buffalo D before we crucify the kid for not carrying his team to victory of playoff favorite right off the gate. 

3 years in and he makes UDFA rookie type mistakes.  That is very strong evidence he sucks. 

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Since Sam has been here, he's the only chance they have of winning a Football game.   

That was true last year

i un-trollingly suspect James Morgan gives them a better chance, right now 

that's how far Darnold has regressed 

it's also how Minshew-like Morgan is

[Y3k]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

 

no. you look again

this is the moment of the throw from the all 22

there's no one near him 

 

Except the linebacker right in front of him with a perfect angle. Like I said, if he stops to set his fee there it gives half the buffalo secondary enough time to make a play on that ball. 

[JustInFudge]

2 minutes ago, Y3k said:

That should be all the evidence you need to believe Sam Darnold is a franchise quarterback at 22 years old. Yet, you are here with doubt over one game. That is purely irrational man. 

 

You think he's a perfect franchise QB but I'm irrational after posting easily the most rational take on Sam?  lol

okay...

[Y3k]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

3 years in and he makes UDFA rookie type mistakes.  That is very strong evidence he sucks. 

Really? Over a delay of game penalty and running out of bounds for a loss? You are over blowing those mistakes. Stop acting like those are recurring issues with Darnold. 

[Y3k]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

You think he's a perfect franchise QB but I'm irrational after posting easily the most rational take on Sam?  lol

okay...

I think he's all you could hope for a QB to accomplish given his circumstance. Franchise QB doesn't mean top of the league statistically. It means being good enough to lead a franchise to success once an NFL average team is built around them. 

[Chrebetfan80]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

Agreed, good interview.  His point that the Jets/Gase doesn't attack a

specific player on defense is interesting.  I'll be looking for that on Sunday

Gase philosophy is to attack zones not specific players. its not an uncommon philosophy on offense either.  He likes to flood zones with different layers of crossers and then create high low reads for the quarterback.   Watch some of the denver tape if you can find any, they would just go curl shoot out of 5 different formations and pick up chunks of yards and stay ahead of the sticks.  Then they'd have 3 receivers go right and have a deep crosser going left to the vacated zone for easy completions and big chunks of yards.  You'll see we did the same thing against the bills.  Bills ran a lot of man though so it was more crossing routes than high low reads which are more against zone. 

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Y3k said:

Really? Over a delay of game penalty and running out of bounds for a loss? You are over blowing those mistakes. Stop acting like those are recurring issues with Darnold. 

Yes. really and yes, they are.  Take your tongue out his butt and this all very obvious.  

lmfao

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Y3k said:

I think he's all you could hope for a QB to accomplish given his circumstance. Franchise QB doesn't mean top of the league statistically. It means being good enough to lead a franchise to success once an NFL average team is built around them. 

WTF?  Then what's the point, my gawd man.  

Are you fan of the Jets or Sam Darnold? 

[bitonti]

4 minutes ago, Y3k said:

Except the linebacker right in front of him with a perfect angle. Like I said, if he stops to set his fee there it gives half the buffalo secondary enough time to make a play on that ball. 

do you see how far away that LB is? 10 yards maybe? 

it is trumaine edmunds who is fast as F, but still 

maybe Sam would take a hit there but he had time to set his feet and make an actual throw 

or how about just throwing it away, taking a slide etc

this is a classic USC QB move to take a bad situation and make it terrible 

a guy like Kyler Murray would make that player miss and scramble 20 more yards 

i know it's a hard job. I'm just tired of hearing excuses 

[Y3k]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

WTF?  Then what's the point, my gawd man.  

Are you fan of the Jets or Sam Darnold? 

My point is that if he keeps improving at the rate he has we are going to get a quarter back that can put up somewhere around 4k yards, 2-1 INT ratio with this garbage of a situation (by the end of this year). When hes 25 and we've finally built a playoff roster around him we will be ready to compete for a super bowl and do so for 10 years. 

[Charlie Brown]

This is a great interview!  The problem is that it makes to much sense and harkens back to why I was concerned about drafting Daronld to begin with ---- the Jets Organizationally were horrific... HORRIFIC!!

They had NO PLAN!

And you go no further than the OL and their ineptitude is self-evident.  How in the world are you going to allow your team to have an inferior OL when you are going to either put Hack out there or another young QB????

No Plan!

Darnold out of the top four QBs needed the MOST DEVELOPMENT and the Jets were the worst team at it!

A definite recipe for success, right!  

It is why I wanted Baker because while I felt his ceiling was lower I thought he was more developed and could take the insanity that is the Jets....

 

[Y3k]

9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

do you see how far away that LB is? 10 yards maybe? 

it is trumaine edmunds who is fast as F, but still 

maybe Sam would take a hit there but he had time to set his feet and make an actual throw 

or how about just throwing it away, taking a slide etc

this is a classic USC QB move to take a bad situation and make it terrible 

a guy like Kyler Murray would make that player miss and scramble 20 more yards 

i know it's a hard job. I'm just tired of hearing excuses 

You are looking at a screen shot brother. How long do you think it takes an NFL linebacker who is running towards you while you're running towards him to cover 9 yards? 0.75 seconds maybe? 

Yea throwing it away on 3rd and 6 down 21-0 sounds a whole lot better. He'd be crucified for being a pussy. 

[Y3k]

3 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is a great interview!  The problem is that it makes to much sense and harkens back to why I was concerned about drafting Daronld to begin with ---- the Jets Organizationally were horrific... HORRIFIC!!

They had NO PLAN!

And you go no further than the OL and their ineptitude is self-evident.  How in the world are you going to allow your team to have an inferior OL when you are going to either put Hack out there or another young QB????

No Plan!

Darnold out of the top four QBs needed the MOST DEVELOPMENT and the Jets were the worst team at it!

A definite recipe for success, right!  

It is why I wanted Baker because while I felt his ceiling was lower I thought he was more developed and could take the insanity that is the Jets....

 

Yet he improved in every measurable way from  year 1 to 2 and put together long stretches of elite play despite total dysfunction, lack of talent, and illness. I don't know what more you want. I was hoping he was going to have  a good game Sunday but QBs don't always have good games, especially against a defense that will embarass almost every QB they play this year. Step off the ledge brother. 

[pdxgreen]

I am not going to go completely sour on Sam til mid season.  He deserves a string of games to find his way or set us on q course for Lawrence or Fields.  But I swear to all that's holy if I ever meet Jordan Palmer I am going to keep him repeatedly in the balls.  

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

Agreed, good interview.  His point that the Jets/Gase doesn't attack a

specific player on defense is interesting.  I'll be looking for that on Sunday

Note that people who are attacking Sam make no mention of this in their patented Sam sucks responses.

The key is, does Gase do this or not?  

Did he attack weakness of opponents in Miami?  

The short answer both questions is no, he does not and did not and while there maybe a cogent explanation we don't know why..

[Charlie Brown]

5 minutes ago, Y3k said:

Yet he improved in every measurable way from  year 1 to 2 and put together long stretches of elite play despite total dysfunction, lack of talent, and illness. I don't know what more you want. I was hoping he was going to have  a good game Sunday but QBs don't always have good games, especially against a defense that will embarass almost every QB they play this year. Step off the ledge brother. 

I actually agree with you 100%!!!!!

I was simply pointing out in my initial post that the attacks on Sam on this thread and often in general lack proper contextualization and are at this point and time unwarranted.

[THE BARON]

27 minutes ago, JiF said:

Boom.  He's running an offense catered to one of the greatest of all time who had an absolutely loaded offense that could routinely go out and beat there man 1 on 1.  He's trying to run that same sh*tty offense with Chris Hogan and Breshard Perriman and a sh*tty OL and no run game.

Gase is a ******* moron.  Flat out.  Unreal he's a HC in this league, unreal. 

Yep.  And guess what.  That offense wasn't even designed by Gase.  Wanna know where it came from ??? Peyton Manning took it over to Denver with him when he left the Colts.  THAT'S RIGHT !!!! That very same offense that Gase appeared to have success with in Denver came as a package from the Colts along with Manning.   Gase might have added a wrinkle or two, but for the most part, that was TOM MOORE'S offense.  An offense that Moore devised and honed for Peyton Manning.  Moore did not pull it out of a shoe box nor did he pull it out of his ass.  He understood his QB's strengths and built the offense around those strengths.  Something Gase cant do...

[Charlie Brown]

20 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

Gase philosophy is to attack zones not specific players. its not an uncommon philosophy on offense either.  He likes to flood zones with different layers of crossers and then create high low reads for the quarterback.   Watch some of the denver tape if you can find any, they would just go curl shoot out of 5 different formations and pick up chunks of yards and stay ahead of the sticks.  Then they'd have 3 receivers go right and have a deep crosser going left to the vacated zone for easy completions and big chunks of yards.  You'll see we did the same thing against the bills.  Bills ran a lot of man though so it was more crossing routes than high low reads which are more against zone. 

Ummmmmm.

Gase has a losing record while employing his philosophy and some of the worst rated offenses both here and in Miami in the entire NFL.

Would you say Adam Gase is a "BRILLIANT" NFL mind and in the top 10 innovators in professional football?  If not, why the hell is Gase coaching your team????

 

 

 

[Losmeister]

16 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

out of the top four QBs needed the MOST DEVELOPMENT

this may be true. so...we should have sat him for 4 yrs to wait for his development, or???

not sure exact;y where you are going. 

alos, he may be beyond devlkoment...3.5 yrs later his mechanics are still garbage.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

35 minutes ago, bitonti said:

5:20 mark on this youtube 

 

 

The focus has been, correctly, placed on offense. However, after re-watching this, the defense played soft, sloppy, and uninspired.

Basham horrible at 0:38, 2:55, 5:49
Jordan Willis at 1:35
Desir at 3:29
Shepherd at 4:41
Langi at 7:52, 8:44

[Losmeister]

23 minutes ago, JiF said:

WTF?  Then what's the point, my gawd man.  

Are you fan of the Jets or Sam Darnold? 

game manager = franchise qb.          

[Y3k]

12 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

The focus has been, correctly, placed on offense. However, after re-watching this, the offense played soft, sloppy, and uninspired.

Basham horrible at 0:38, 2:55, 5:49
Jordan Willis at 1:35
Desir at 3:29
Shepherd at 4:41
Langi at 7:52, 8:44

* defense, I agree. 

[Y3k]

11 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

game manager = franchise qb.          

7-6 with an 0-16 roster and clueless coach. Franchise QB. 

If you want to sensationalize a bad week 1 game vs. the #1 pass D in the NFL... go ahead

[Y3k]

16 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

this may be true. so...we should have sat him for 4 yrs to wait for his development, or???

not sure exact;y where you are going. 

alos, he may be beyond devlkoment...3.5 yrs later his mechanics are still garbage.

He's developed beautifully despite a horrible support system. Improved in every measurable category from year 1 to 2. Showed long stretches of elite play in both years. Had a winning record as a starter despite being an under dog every single week. The 2020 season hasn't happened yet. 

[THE BARON]

37 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

Gase philosophy is to attack zones not specific players. its not an uncommon philosophy on offense either.  He likes to flood zones with different layers of crossers and then create high low reads for the quarterback.   Watch some of the denver tape if you can find any, they would just go curl shoot out of 5 different formations and pick up chunks of yards and stay ahead of the sticks.  Then they'd have 3 receivers go right and have a deep crosser going left to the vacated zone for easy completions and big chunks of yards.  You'll see we did the same thing against the bills.  Bills ran a lot of man though so it was more crossing routes than high low reads which are more against zone. 

Right... Works well with a QB that thrives on making pre-snap reads and then delivering the ball to the correct spot in the zone with absolute perfect timing and placement.  Remember all the pre-snap voodoo that you saw from Manning ??? This type of offense is also predicated on skilled pass catchers that run perfect routs and are in sync with the QB.  

Considering Sam Darnold and the pass catchers the Jets have, do you think this system is a good fit ?

I'd say... Nope.

[slimjasi]

This guy has had his tongue up Darnold's ass since the Obama Administration

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Look, he's not wrong and he's not right.  Here's the reality and I know it's just much easier to point the finger and place all the blame on one person:

- Sam might just be a bust, there is just a much evidence to say he is (maybe even more), than to say he's not.

- Sam has been handled potentially as bad as I've ever seen a young QB handled in the NFL.  It's an embarrassment.

- The offense, is terrible both from a strategy and execution perspective.  Nothing Gase does, makes any sense.  Dan is right, Gase doesnt have a plan, ever.  And we've literally seen him say this, "I try not to think" when it comes to what he's calling next.  The guy has zero feel for the game and really doesnt know how to adjust in game to what the defense is doing. He's the ultimate, scream at the scoreboard and execute better type of coach.  Very little self accountability.    If your coach has zero in game awareness, how is the  young QB supposed to? 

- The talent, is terrible.  Legit, the worst accumulation of talent in the league, 3 years running and this year, might be the worst?  Like, how is that possible?   Every single person in the Jets organization should be bitch slapped for what they've done to help surround Sam with talent and yes, that 100% includes Joe Douglas.  

- If Sam were playing for an Andy Reid or a John Harbaugh or similar type of coach, I have zero doubt in my mind Sam would be realizing his full potential.  I'm not saying he's Mahomes or Jackson but bet your bottom dollar, he's a very good player and so is the team.

- The Jets are a joke or an organization, top to bottom.  They will never be a sustained winner, ever.  So, we can bitch and moan about Sam Darnold all want but news flash, it aint getting better any time soon and the next QB they draft, they'll ruin just like they always do.  It's kind of our thing.  At this point, the only reason I watch is to see if they're even capable of not being the Jets for one Sunday.

 

 

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