2021 New York Mets Thread

[Lith]

This is why ya gotta love baseball.  We give up 15 runs in 3 innings across two games, including 3 on one of the most bizarre plays I have ever seen.  Team was dead.  And somehow, this bullpen that has coughed up two big leads to one of the worst offenses in baseball gives us 8 scoreless while we keep chipping away and somehow win the damn ball game.

 

 

 

[Maynard13]

9 hours ago, Lith said:

This is why ya gotta love baseball.  We give up 15 runs in 3 innings across two games, including 3 on one of the most bizarre plays I have ever seen.  Team was dead.  And somehow, this bullpen that has coughed up two big leads to one of the worst offenses in baseball gives us 8 scoreless while we keep chipping away and somehow win the damn ball game.

I was besides myself yesterday. Was screaming for Rojas’ head. How dumb can this guy be to leave 1- Lugo in after he clearly didn’t have it and 2- not letting Loup just start the 9th. Diaz AGAIN self destructs. Rojas needs to turn over the pitching decisions to Hefner. Rojas has no clue how to manage the bullpen. Talk about an absolute embarrassment. Then the following day they look like a bunch of little leaguers, give up 6 runs in the 1st inning. Just pathetic. Rojas gets thrown out in 1st and suddenly…..the comeback begins. This was absolutely one of the biggest wins in this franchise’s history and ther biggest win this year for numerous reasons. First, they flipped the script on the Pirates and gave them a taste of their own medicine. Those last 2 blown losses were gut wrenching and again EMBARRASSING. Mix those 2 pathetic losses in with the 4-1 loss resulting in a nearly full metal jacket fight, and this team is in shock mode. So next day, you figure they’re really really pissed. Lugo, after stinking the joint up, said ‘we’re a good team. One game does not determine who we are, we will play better Sunday (or something like that). So you figure they’re going to come out like gangbusters. But NO they go down 6-0 after the 1st inning. I was like, this team has NO HEART. The season is OVER. They let a last place team use and abuse them. This just doesn’t happen to playoff caliber teams. Incredibly they chip, chip, chip and bang! get right back in the game. The relievers were absolutely amazing. Key hits after key hits and in the 9th, just like the  Pirates did to us, bang! A HR to take the lead. And of all players, Conforto, who has been abysmal all year. This was an AWAKENING. It was a MUST comeback win. You cannot let a last place team do what they did and get away with it without losing total confidence and face. GUTS. Pure and simple. GUTS. 

[section314]

17 hours ago, Lith said:

This is why ya gotta love baseball.  We give up 15 runs in 3 innings across two games, including 3 on one of the most bizarre plays I have ever seen.  Team was dead.  And somehow, this bullpen that has coughed up two big leads to one of the worst offenses in baseball gives us 8 scoreless while we keep chipping away and somehow win the damn ball game.

 

 

 

This reminds me of the great Earl Weaver's quote after game 5 of the 69' series, when he was in his office talking to reporters. When asked if he was in shock that his Birds lost to the Mets, he said(paraphrased) " guys, this is why baseball is the greatest game of all. You have to throw the damn ball over the damn plate and get 27 outs. You can't stall or run the ball into the line to kill the clock. You have to play the game."  On another topic, I am eating my daily dose of humble pie as to just how important Nimmo is to this team.

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

I am eating my daily dose of humble pie as to just how important Nimmo is to this team.

He just continues to get on base. His defense has been fine… Not great. But considering how feeble Lindor has been getting on base has made Nimmo’s importance even greater

[chirorob]

On 6/16/2021 at 7:53 AM, Scott Dierking said:

We are also blessed by having the greatest analytical broadcast team in the business, by far. They take the game to whole different level in the manner they call.

I agree on what you say about war ups. Just watching the long toss and these guys effortlessly hit each other in the chest consistently. I watch class D1 college players warm, and they cannot repeat that. Baseball is such a tough sport, and the manner that these athletes make it look easy is amazing.

The constistency is amazing.   An infielder can't make an error a week, he'd be out of the game.

I know fielding percentage is not the best indicator, but it's another example of Mike Trout's greatness.   Career percentage of .9933   The guy makes an error less than 7 times out of every THOUSAND times he touches and throws the ball.   Have a catch in your back yard with your kid, and don't make one bad throw out of a hundred.  Amazing.

[JustInFudge]

On 7/10/2021 at 2:47 PM, Maynard13 said:

Who's next!  Conforto! You BUM.  When's the last time this guy hit a HR.  Get ready to be traded at the trade deadline for some prospects: 2nd baseman, SP, OF.  How do you fall off the face of the earth in a contract year and blow an imminent muti muillion dollar deal.  It's no mystery why Cohen didnt offer him a new contract before the season started. Show me or wave sayonara. His history has been as up and down as a yo-yo.  That's not someone you invest in.  He's constatntly injured, disappears for weeks at the plate, totally inconsistent. It's time to move on.  Can we really afford to pay this guy with needing to pay deGrom, Alonso, Thor on the horizon?  Start putting some anchovies on your pizza to spice up your bat Conforto or pack your bags.  Ya got 3 months to get your mojo on and that's If youre not shipped out to some desperate team in contention that needs a RF.  

You sir, are a genius, keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lith]

I will never figure out baseball.  For half the season, we pitch well, play good defense, win tight low scoring games.  And when we don't ptich well we lose.  Now, these last two, we hve pitched badly, fielded worse, but the bats, which were silent for half the season, explode.  Crazy game last night -- just glad I am in the Central Time Zone on a night like last night.

So, is Trevor May our new closer, or does Diaz get another shot?  

[Maynard13]

So another amazin amazin amazin win last night in Cincy. This team is definitely recharged and facing the challenges. But how long can they continue to exhaust the bullpen like this. Our starting pitching is just extremely fragile. Sandy MUST get another QUALITY starter and quick. Cookie should be back soon which is great but deGrom continues to miss starts which is so concerning. Stroman has lost his consistency, leaving Walker as the go to guy. And Thor isn’t scheduled to be back until September.  Going with Eikhoff, McGiel and now Stock is a recipe for absolute disaster. Neither of these guys can go deep into games. McGil at least has given us quality innings.  And we may need to get a defensive SS in here as well since who knows how long Lindor will be out.  Louie G was just horrendous last night.  Sandy needs to get some Viagra and hit the phones.  

[section314]

1 minute ago, Lith said:

I will never figure out baseball.  For half the season, we pitch well, play good defense, win tight low scoring games.  And when we don't ptich well we lose.  Now, these last two, we hve pitched badly, fielded worse, but the bats, which were silent for half the season, explode.  Crazy game last night -- just glad I am in the Central Time Zone on a night like last night.

So, is Trevor May our new closer, or does Diaz get another shot?  

Tough call. Something I don't think we've brought up about Diaz is that before he came to the Mets, he was never saving games in any pressure situations. May has with the Twins. The games are only going to get bigger, and Diaz may just continue to spit the bit. That said, I would be talking to the Cubs, not about Bryant, but about Kimbrell. I would still trot Diaz out there, but maybe with this caveat.....you walk the leadoff guy one more time, you're done.

[section314]

11 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

So another amazin amazin amazin win last night in Cincy. This team is definitely recharged and facing the challenges. But how long can they continue to exhaust the bullpen like this. Our starting pitching is just extremely fragile. Sandy MUST get another QUALITY starter and quick. Cookie should be back soon which is great but deGrom continues to miss starts which is so concerning. Stroman has lost his consistency, leaving Walker as the go to guy. And Thor isn’t scheduled to be back until September.  Going with Eikhoff, McGiel and now Stock is a recipe for absolute disaster. Neither of these guys can go deep into games. McGil at least has given us quality innings.  And we may need to get a defensive SS in here as well since who knows how long Lindor will be out.  Louie G was just horrendous last night.  Sandy needs to get some Viagra and hit the phones.  

We have Peraza, who has played short. You saw the difference in the infield when he came in with that double switch late in the game. Looked like a true pro.

[Lith]

11 minutes ago, section314 said:

We have Peraza, who has played short. You saw the difference in the infield when he came in with that double switch late in the game. Looked like a true pro.

Peraza and Villar should be playing SS with Lindor down.  With Davis backc, we don't need Villar at 3rd and he has started more games at SS than any other position.  Guillorme is a nice utility guy who can play a few different positions.  OK for a spot start here or there, gives you some flexibility off the bench, but that is where his value lies - as a bench player, not a starter.

[Lith]

21 minutes ago, section314 said:

Tough call. Something I don't think we've brought up about Diaz is that before he came to the Mets, he was never saving games in any pressure situations. May has with the Twins. The games are only going to get bigger, and Diaz may just continue to spit the bit. That said, I would be talking to the Cubs, not about Bryant, but about Kimbrell. I would still trot Diaz out there, but maybe with this caveat.....you walk the leadoff guy one more time, you're done.

Agreed on Kimbrel.  He is the guy we really need, along with some help for the rotation.  Lineup is coming around.  Less pressing need there than bullpen help and a starter.

If it is me, I am giving May the ball in the 9th inning and letting Diaz work out his issues in lower pressure situations.  Last night, after he walked the leadoff batter, I had little doubt that the Reds would tie it up.  I thought he turned a corner earlier in the season, but you cannot trust the guy right now,

[Maynard13]

3 minutes ago, Lith said:

Peraza and Villar should be playing SS with Lindor down.  With Davis backc, we don't need Villar at 3rd and he has started more games at SS than any other position.  Guillorme is a nice utility guy who can play a few different positions.  OK for a spot start here or there, gives you some flexibility off the bench, but that is where his value lies - as a bench player, not a starter.

I don’t think Sandy or Rojas sees either Peraza or Villar as a defensive replacement for Lindor. Villar doesn’t have the range to play SS. Rojas even said Louie G is the best option on the roster. But last night was just head scratching. Perhaps Peraza is given a shot if LG continues to struggle defensively. If this continues, they will have to get a defensive SS.  You can’t mess with SS. It’s the most important defensive position in baseball. 

[Maynard13]

27 minutes ago, section314 said:

We have Peraza, who has played short. You saw the difference in the infield when he came in with that double switch late in the game. Looked like a true pro.

Peraza came in to play third. Can he play short? Does he have the range to play short? Haven’t heard his name mentioned to be in the mix. 

[section314]

5 minutes ago, Lith said:

Agreed on Kimbrel.  He is the guy we really need, along with some help for the rotation.  Lineup is coming around.  Less pressing need there than bullpen help and a starter.

If it is me, I am giving May the ball in the 9th inning and letting Diaz work out his issues in lower pressure situations.  Last night, after he walked the leadoff batter, I had little doubt that the Reds would tie it up.  I thought he turned a corner earlier in the season, but you cannot trust the guy right now,

Can't argue with any of this. Did you hear the bizarre stat Gary mentioned last night about the last time the Mets won a game when the starter gave up 7 runs in 2 innings and they made 4 errors? It was in separate games of a DH against the Expos many years back. They did the first in the first game, the second in the second game. Crazy. Ronnie had a great line..." wow, they can exorcise 25 years of demons in one game." Good stuff.

[Maynard13]

11 minutes ago, Lith said:

Agreed on Kimbrel.  He is the guy we really need, along with some help for the rotation.  Lineup is coming around.  Less pressing need there than bullpen help and a starter.

If it is me, I am giving May the ball in the 9th inning and letting Diaz work out his issues in lower pressure situations.  Last night, after he walked the leadoff batter, I had little doubt that the Reds would tie it up.  I thought he turned a corner earlier in the season, but you cannot trust the guy right now,

You know that’s not going to happen. Rojas is just terrible at keeping relievers in when they clearly do not have it on a given day. I used to love a manager like Sparky who wouldn’t hesitate to pull a pitcher out regardless of his stature on the roster. Either get it done or sit your azz down. Diaz is his closer and that’s just not going to change. Rojas needs to grow some cajones and start pulling these guys, whether it’s Diaz or Lugo or Familia, when they self destruct. You have numerous relievers - USE them. 

[section314]

1 minute ago, Maynard13 said:

Peraza came in to play third. Can he play short? Does he have the range to play short? Haven’t heard his name mentioned to be in the mix. 

Has played over 230 games at both SS and 2b in his career. Most at SS was for Reds in 2018, 156. Did make 22 errors, don't know breakdown on whether they were bad throws or booting balls. The Reds did move him to 3rd, so maybe range is an issue. Guillorme" range isn't the problem, it's when he gets to the ball that's the problem.

[section314]

One of observation and question from last night's game. 1) the Reds have too many good hitters to play the shift. 2) why the hell were the Mets still shifting in the 11th inning with a 5 run lead?

[JustInFudge]

2 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

So another amazin amazin amazin win last night in Cincy. This team is definitely recharged and facing the challenges. But how long can they continue to exhaust the bullpen like this. Our starting pitching is just extremely fragile. Sandy MUST get another QUALITY starter and quick. Cookie should be back soon which is great but deGrom continues to miss starts which is so concerning. Stroman has lost his consistency, leaving Walker as the go to guy. And Thor isn’t scheduled to be back until September.  Going with Eikhoff, McGiel and now Stock is a recipe for absolute disaster. Neither of these guys can go deep into games. McGil at least has given us quality innings.  And we may need to get a defensive SS in here as well since who knows how long Lindor will be out.  Louie G was just horrendous last night.  Sandy needs to get some Viagra and hit the phones.  

The team needs you to more specific to a certain person/player with your anger.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

If it is me, I am giving May the ball in the 9th inning and letting Diaz work out his issues in lower pressure situations.  Last night, after he walked the leadoff batter, I had little doubt that the Reds would tie it up.  I thought he turned a corner earlier in the season, but you cannot trust the guy right now,

Awesome trade, BVW!  Thanks!

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Awesome trade, BVW!  Thanks!

Only thing missing is Kelenic lighting it up right now. That will come when he gets called back up.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

Only thing missing is Kelenic lighting it up right now. That will come when he gets called back up.

He was already called up on Friday and began his 2nd stint in the bigs with a 3-game hitting streak.  

[Maynard13]

Great pitching performance by Stroman today. Best outing as a Mets hands down. Timely hitting as well. Now for the cold hard truth. The remainder of the season is BRUTAL!!!! We will be playing most of the BEST teams the rest of the way: Dodgers, Phillies  Braves, Brewers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Giants. Lot of games with Nats and Marlins as well. Both those teams always give us fits. Conclusion: we cannot compete with the current starters we have. These wins starting the 2nd half have been scintillating but there’s just no way we’re going to be getting away with this stuff against these teams. Thor should be back in beginning of September. That’s huge. Cookie hopefully shows up in next week or two. Again, huge. But deGrom is very fragile so who knows how many games he can pitch. Peterson is out for awhile as well with no immediate return any time soon. Sandy MUST get a quality stater NOW! Who knows how effective Cookie or Thor will be. Who knows how stable deGrom will be the rest of the way. Stroman and Walker have been pretty consistent eating up innings with quality starts. It’s imperative Sandy gets another starter in here FAST. Preferably a lefty. Any ideas who would make a good fit/available? These next 5 weeks are going to be make or break. 

[Lith]

11 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Great pitching performance by Stroman today. Best outing as a Mets hands down. Timely hitting as well. Now for the cold hard truth. The remainder of the season is BRUTAL!!!! We will be playing most of the BEST teams the rest of the way: Dodgers, Phillies  Braves, Brewers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Giants. Lot of games with Nats and Marlins as well. Both those teams always give us fits. Conclusion: we cannot compete with the current starters we have. These wins starting the 2nd half have been scintillating but there’s just no way we’re going to be getting away with this stuff against these teams. Thor should be back in beginning of September. That’s huge. Cookie hopefully shows up in next week or two. Again, huge. But deGrom is very fragile so who knows how many games he can pitch. Peterson is out for awhile as well with no immediate return any time soon. Sandy MUST get a quality stater NOW! Who knows how effective Cookie or Thor will be. Who knows how stable deGrom will be the rest of the way. Stroman and Walker have been pretty consistent eating up innings with quality starts. It’s imperative Sandy gets another starter in here FAST. Preferably a lefty. Any ideas who would make a good fit/available? These next 5 weeks are going to be make or break. 

Getting 8 innings out of Stroman yesterday, followed by the off day today will be huge for the bullpen.  We need starters who can give us 7 innings at least two to three times a week.  We have had so many games where we need 5 or 6 innings from the pen.  It is unsustainable and has cost us some games recently.

I agree with you that if we are to have a chance at the postseason, we need to add a couple of arms.  We need a reliable starter who can give us innings, and we need to add an arm to the bullpen.  I don't understand the stories linking us to Kris Bryant.  I have also seen rumored interest in Adam Frazier.  If we are going to give up resources to make a run this year, the focus needs to be arms, not bats.  The lineup is solid.  At some point the burden has to be on your proven players to produce, and we have plenty of proven players in the lineup as most of them are healthy now.  We need arms, not bats.

[Scott Dierking]

14 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

 Preferably a lefty. Any ideas who would make a good fit/available? 

Lefty starters rumored to be available? Danny Duffy, who will be a free agent, so he can come relatively cheap. Tyler Anderson with the Pirates. Meh. Mathew Boyd. Meh.  John Means who has a shoulder problem, but wont come cheap because he is under control till 2024.

[Lith]

30 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Lefty starters rumored to be available? Danny Duffy, who will be a free agent, so he can come relatively cheap. Tyler Anderson with the Pirates. Meh. Mathew Boyd. Meh.  John Means who has a shoulder problem, but wont come cheap because he is under control till 2024.

I know he is not a lefty, but Jose Berrios is a guy I would like to see them get.  The guy has pretty much ptiched every 5th day with no significant injuries for the last 4 or 5 seasons and has been a good to very good starter throughout that time.   I have seen some rumors of our interest -- would love to see him in Queens.

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

I know he is not a lefty, but Jose Berrios is a guy I would like to see them get.  The guy has pretty much ptiched every 5th day with no significant injuries for the last 4 or 5 seasons and has been a good to very good starter throughout that time.   I have seen some rumors of our interest -- would love to see him in Queens.

Yup, he has control through next year, and that is why the Twins are supposedly asking for a haul. Of course, everyone starts asking for a haul. At some point, Maurircio is going to be a chip for the Mets.

[Scott Dierking]

Four players within the Mets organization, including newly-drafted Kumar Rocker, made Keith Law of The Athletic's Top 50 MLB prospects list, which was released on Wednesday.

Here's where they landed.

43. Brett Baty, 3B

From Law: Baty crushed high-A pitching to a .309/.397/.514 line before a promotion last week to Double A, and I think that line doesn’t even reflect how much raw power he has. He’s also slimmed down a little bit and looks like he’s more than capable of staying at third base, as he was visibly lighter on his feet and he’s always had the arm for it.

 

36. Ronny Mauricio, SS

From Law: Mauricio has unbelievably loose hands and bat speed, with 10 homers already for High-A Brooklyn as a 20-year-old, although he’s also been too aggressive and given away some at-bats for the Cyclones, showing his youth and inexperience.

28. Kumar Rocker, P

From Law: Rocker has the makings of an ace — a fastball up to 97, a wipeout slider, an imposing 6-foot-6, 250-pound frame, athleticism, and actually better control than you’d think — but just doesn’t pitch like one often enough. His fastball can get hit, and his responses to adversity on the field aren’t always ideal — often it’s just “throw harder.”

8. Francisco Álvarez, C

From Law: Álvarez’s bat would play anywhere; he’s showing ridiculous power for a 19-year-old, with 10 homers in 56 games and a lot of hard-hit line drives. He wrecked Low-A pitching for two weeks — Low A is not what it used to be, but still, Álvarez hit .417/.567/.646 there — and then moved up to High-A Brooklyn, where he’s still taking good at-bats and showing power.

[Maynard13]

3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Lefty starters rumored to be available? Danny Duffy, who will be a free agent, so he can come relatively cheap. Tyler Anderson with the Pirates. Meh. Mathew Boyd. Meh.  John Means who has a shoulder problem, but wont come cheap because he is under control till 2024.

Danny Duffy? Is he related to our Duffy Dyer? 

oH YEAH sIGN THAT GUy

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

Yup, he has control through next year, and that is why the Twins are supposedly asking for a haul. Of course, everyone starts asking for a haul. At some point, Maurircio is going to be a chip for the Mets.

Can Mauricio play 2nd? Would be sweet!

[section314]

16 hours ago, Lith said:

I know he is not a lefty, but Jose Berrios is a guy I would like to see them get.  The guy has pretty much ptiched every 5th day with no significant injuries for the last 4 or 5 seasons and has been a good to very good starter throughout that time.   I have seen some rumors of our interest -- would love to see him in Queens.

The story a few weeks back was Berrios and Donaldson, but then Donaldson got nicked up. Supposedly Mets advance scouts were basically living with the Twins.?

[section314]

14 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Four players within the Mets organization, including newly-drafted Kumar Rocker, made Keith Law of The Athletic's Top 50 MLB prospects list, which was released on Wednesday.

Here's where they landed.

43. Brett Baty, 3B

From Law: Baty crushed high-A pitching to a .309/.397/.514 line before a promotion last week to Double A, and I think that line doesn’t even reflect how much raw power he has. He’s also slimmed down a little bit and looks like he’s more than capable of staying at third base, as he was visibly lighter on his feet and he’s always had the arm for it.

 

36. Ronny Mauricio, SS

From Law: Mauricio has unbelievably loose hands and bat speed, with 10 homers already for High-A Brooklyn as a 20-year-old, although he’s also been too aggressive and given away some at-bats for the Cyclones, showing his youth and inexperience.

28. Kumar Rocker, P

From Law: Rocker has the makings of an ace — a fastball up to 97, a wipeout slider, an imposing 6-foot-6, 250-pound frame, athleticism, and actually better control than you’d think — but just doesn’t pitch like one often enough. His fastball can get hit, and his responses to adversity on the field aren’t always ideal — often it’s just “throw harder.”

8. Francisco Álvarez, C

From Law: Álvarez’s bat would play anywhere; he’s showing ridiculous power for a 19-year-old, with 10 homers in 56 games and a lot of hard-hit line drives. He wrecked Low-A pitching for two weeks — Low A is not what it used to be, but still, Álvarez hit .417/.567/.646 there — and then moved up to High-A Brooklyn, where he’s still taking good at-bats and showing power.

Of those 4, only one I would even think of moving would be Maricio.

[Scott Dierking]

57 minutes ago, section314 said:

Of those 4, only one I would even think of moving would be Maricio.

No, the rest are untouchable.

[Scott Dierking]

14 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Danny Duffy? Is he related to our Duffy Dyer? 

oH YEAH sIGN THAT GUy

Dyer was a good story with the Mets and the fans loved him. 

[section314]

2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Dyer was a good story with the Mets and the fans loved him. 

#10 in your program, #1 in your hearts.?⚾️