FidelioJet Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Drafting the best offensive lineman in pff history helps the qb, whoever he may be Sure, but if you don't have a QB to protect he can't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Sure, but if you don't have a QB to protect he can't help. This team is so gutted they can't fix it in 1 draft It's not fair to the qb to put him into a situation where he has like 3 real starters around him That's exactly what happened to Sam Darnold. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, bitonti said: Everybody in the draft wants to move down. Trade downs from 1,2 overall are rare because of the price. Any team outside of the top 10 requires multiple 1st to get there. Even a team at 8 or 9 needs to pay at least another first So the list of trade down partners is small and the players they would be trading for are nebulous The question is why would another team move up and If it's for a player on offense, why don't they just take the player on offense? Yeah, probably why you never, ever see any trades in the first round. Especially when QBs are involved. I agree, if they can't find a trade partner, they should probably draft someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, bitonti said: Drafting the best offensive lineman in pff history helps the qb, whoever he may be Drafting the best defensive lineman did nothing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, slats said: Yeah, probably why you never, ever see any trades in the first round. Especially when QBs are involved. I agree, if they can't find a trade partner, they should probably draft someone. Look at the history of the draft, yes many trades happen. Trades at 1 or 2 happen about once every 5 years. These qbs if they were really worth 2 the Jets would take at 2. No teams are talking about trading up for fields. Mcshay has him at 15 in his mock. The only trade market of note is the Sewell trade market. Maybe they can get the Bengals to move from 5. That's like a second and a third. The jets used their 2nd and 3rd last year on mims and ashtyn davis Or they could just take the instant all pro and get better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Drafting the best defensive lineman did nothing here. Who said anything about defensive line? Honestly. What does that have to do with anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: Look at the history of the draft, yes many trades happen. Trades at 1 or 2 happen about once every 5 years. These qbs if they were really worth 2 the Jets would take at 2. No teams are talking about trading up for fields. Mcshay has him at 15 in his mock. The only trade market of note is the Sewell trade market. Maybe they can get the Bengals to move from 5. That's like a second and a third. The jets used their 2nd and 3rd last year on mims and ashtyn davis Or they could just take the instant all pro and get better Yes, if they can't find a suitable trade partner, they should take someone. I agree. It's a long way between now and the draft. I'm just gonna go ahead and imagine that someone will fall in love enough with one of the QBs, or Sewell, or maybe even Smith, to make Joe Douglas an offer. This is a guy who got two first rounds picks for Jamalcontent Adams. I'll let him work the phones and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, bitonti said: Who said anything about defensive line? Honestly. What does that have to do with anything The NY Jets over the years have predominately drafted DL Defensive Linemen very high in the NFL Draft. It has brought us little or no success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The NY Jets over the years have predominately drafted DL Defensive Linemen very high in the NFL Draft. It has brought us little or no success. Maybe they should have tried offensive line instead They drafted brick at 6, Becton at 11. Nick Mangold a late Rd 1. not hearing any complaints Side note if there was a myles Garrett in the draft the Jets would be hard pressed to pass on him. There's not. But edge is arguably the worst need on the entire roster, if we are talking about need. If there was a calvin Johnson in the draft, the Jets would have to take that guy. There's not. They should not draft for need at 2 they should draft for value that's the whole point You think busting at 3 is bad? Try Busting at 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Maybe they should have tried offensive line instead They drafted brick at 6, Becton at 11. Nick Mangold a late Rd 1. not hearing any complaints Side note if there was a myles Garrett in the draft the Jets would be hard pressed to pass on him. There's not. But edge is arguably the worst need on the entire roster, if we are talking about need. If there was a calvin Johnson in the draft, the Jets would have to take that guy. There's not. They should not draft for need at 2 they should draft for value that's the whole point You think busting at 3 is bad? Try Busting at 2 D-Brick and Mangold were great cornerstones on the OL. Becton if he can stay healthy seems to be headed down the same road. Hoping to not bust at all on every draft pick in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Jets are drafting Sewell at 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, bitonti said: Look at the history of the draft, yes many trades happen. Trades at 1 or 2 happen about once every 5 years. These qbs if they were really worth 2 the Jets would take at 2. No teams are talking about trading up for fields. Mcshay has him at 15 in his mock. The only trade market of note is the Sewell trade market. Maybe they can get the Bengals to move from 5. That's like a second and a third. The jets used their 2nd and 3rd last year on mims and ashtyn davis Or they could just take the instant all pro and get better to be fair mcshay did that mock trying any which way but loose to get fields to fall to the patriots @15. zero chance that happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, neckdemon said: Jets are drafting Sewell at 2 If they do all we can do it hope and pray he turns out to be good and helps us win games and eventually multiple Super Bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: If they do all we can do it hope and pray he turns out to be good and helps us win games and eventually multiple Super Bowls. You can say this about every draft pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, Sammybighead said: You can say this about every draft pick I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, neckdemon said: to be fair mcshay did that mock trying any which way but loose to get fields to fall to the patriots @15. zero chance that happens Sure but maybe Fields' value is closer to 15 than 2. A great portion of the board is just fine with a reach at 2 because we hate Sam. These are like 2 different discussions. Yes Sam sucks. Is there an obvious replacement? Really worth the 2 pick? Sad truth is, that dream died when they beat the rams. If Fields and Wilson were Trevor types they would have no problem I like Fields at top 10 maybe mid Rd 1 prices. I like Wilson as a 1/2 cusp, pending medical. The jets have alot of draft picks. There's not 2 Trevor's in this class in fact there's probably only 2 blue chip players in this crop. Maybe 3 with the Heisman wr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, neckdemon said: Jets are drafting Sewell at 2 Was just messing around to see how that could play out: I could definitely live with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, bitonti said: Sure but maybe Fields' value is closer to 15 than 2. A great portion of the board is just fine with a reach at 2 because we hate Sam. These are like 2 different discussions. Yes Sam sucks. Is there an obvious replacement? Really worth the 2 pick? Sad truth is, that dream died when they beat the rams. If Fields and Wilson were Trevor types they would have no problem I like Fields at top 10 maybe mid Rd 1 prices. I like Wilson as a 1/2 cusp, pending medical. The jets have alot of draft picks. There's not 2 Trevor's in this class in fact there's probably only 2 blue chip players in this crop. Maybe 3 with the Heisman wr i don't like wilson at all really. i think he will break in the nfl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, bitonti said: Yes Sam sucks. Is there an obvious replacement? Really worth the 2 pick? No not in the draft but DeShaun Watson is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 This year the 2nd pick will be a qb, whether the jets or someon else is picking him. It’s easy to see a team like atlanta trading up from 4 to get Ryan’s replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 7:44 PM, football guy said: It’s a good thing I laid the good pipe when I did you’re right on the rest though. He’s not making any explicit commitments but based on film study it sounds like he’s not impressed enough to take either of these guys before Darnold nor has he been convinced that either was a better prospect. I think the biggest thing they will do these next 2 months is study Darnold and try to figure out what he may have missed in his original eval/what his ceiling is/what his value is. as I said a week or so ago, I think there’s a better chance they trade Darnold and still trade down from #2 than trade Darnold and take a QB at #2. These things can change and the coach has a say, but that’s just what I heard as of last week Wait. Trade Darnold and trade down? Who’s gonna play QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 10:35 AM, k-met57 said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, C Mart said: It's Watson, or run it back with Darnold and a boatload of draft picks. I prefer Watson, but I can live with the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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