Keelan Cole will be the biggest surprise on this Jet offense

[Tranquilo]

3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

lol it's painful obvious that many don't have a clue who Keelan Cole is. 

Also, his rookie year Robinson was hurt, and Marqise Lee had more receptions. Cole also only had 42 receptions that year. That's not a volume, guy. Maybe you should learn more about Cole.

[Paradis]

Just now, Tranquilo said:

On a good team, I mean. If he has more receptions than the four guys we have here, that's an issue. Last year he had the 2nd most receptions on the Jags but Chark (2 less) and Shenault played less games than he did. He shouldn't be leading our team in receptions.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean "he's not a volume guy"... Depending his role/depth chart he's very capable of vacuuming up targets on one side of the field. 

Presently there's no "clear" structure to our WR room. Who will win the X role? Is Moore going to start right away in the slot? Where does crowder go. Davis and Cole will be competing for snaps in TC at flanker... Truthfully SF outside of the split end role, rotating a lot of WRs in and out... I think depth is good.

[Joe W. Namath]

10 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I don’t think that he’s a back up to Crowder as they are different types of receivers.  I don’t see a scenario where Crowder and Moore coexist on the field at the same time, especially early on.  I think they’ll use Moore in the slot first since it’s an easier transition and Moore’s skill set suits it the best.  
 

Day one 3 WR group would be Davis and Cole outside and Moore in the slot.  I’d also expect to see Mims being moved around a bit as well.  

This is hysterical.  Denzel mims isnt coming off the field in any scenario barring an injury.  He is going to be a monster and our best receiver this year.  This is complete crazy talk. 

To think a guy who was a backup on Jax, who is on a 1 year deal would see any time over a complete stud like mims is crazy talk.  i wont even respond to it anymore it so ludicrous.

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

Also, his rookie year Robinson was hurt, and Marqise Lee had more receptions. Cole also only had 42 receptions that year. That's not a volume, guy. Maybe you should learn more about Cole.

hey you looked him up! Good for you.

I watched him that year as an owner. He came on and became the clutch player down the stretch. That happened. 

[Tranquilo]

Just now, Paradis said:

Maybe, but that doesn't mean "he's not a volume guy"... Depending his role/depth chart he's very capable of vacuuming up targets on one side of the field. 

Presently there's no "clear" structure to our WR room. Who will win the X role? Is Moore going to start right away in the slot? Where does crowder go. Davis and Cole will be competing for snaps in TC at flanker... Truthfully SF outside of the split end role, rotating a lot of WRs in and out... I think depth is good.

The dude literally said he could lead the team in receptions. That's a problem if he does.

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

Also, his rookie year Robinson was hurt, and Marqise Lee had more receptions. Cole also only had 42 receptions that year. That's not a volume, guy. Maybe you should learn more about Cole.

Lol... you haven’t been around here very long have you?  

[Tranquilo]

2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

hey you looked him up! Good for you.

I watched him that year as an owner. He came on and became the clutch player down the stretch. That happened. 

Maybe you should've looked him up before talking about him,

I had him as a fantasy manager too. He's a solid WR3/4, not much more. Show me his game log down the stretch. Or maybe you should take a second look at it.

[genot]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

How is he getting on the field with Davis, Mims, Crowder and Moore ahead of him?

I just dont see much playin time for him unless someone gets hurt.

Crowder is always slowed by some injury. Was in Washington too. I think he gets traded or cut before training camp ends.

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Lol... you haven’t been around here very long have you?  

Elaborate

[sec101row23]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

This is hysterical.  Denzel mims isnt coming off the field in any scenario barring an injury.  He is going to be a monster and our best receiver this year.  This is complete crazy talk. 

To think a guy who was a backup on Jax, who is on a 1 year deal would see any time over a complete stud like mims is crazy talk.  i wont even respond to it anymore it so ludicrous.

What’s hysterical is your lack of understanding.  

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

Elaborate

You can practically smell the know-it-all 20 year old wafting off you. Do you wake up feeling like a dick or is it something you have to work yourself up to with coffee/porn

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

You can practically smell the know-it-all 20 year old wafting off you. Do you wake up feeling like a dick or is it something you have to work yourself up to with coffee/porn

How am I the know it all when you came into this thread saying people don't know Keelan Cole and I pulled my assessment out of a hat? Just because you got proven wrong, you don't have to resort to this. Or maybe you do, because that's all you got.

Next time know what you're talking about.

[Joe W. Namath]

Just now, sec101row23 said:

What’s hysterical is your lack of understanding.  

Yes, only you understand the offensive system coming from SF.  Its just so difficult for the rest of us to comprehend how it will work.

And according to you, a guy whos best offer was a 1 year deal is going to be playing over Joe Douglas's 2nd round pick from last year who has more talent in his left pinky then Cole.

Um, sure.

[sec101row23]

5 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Maybe, but that doesn't mean "he's not a volume guy"... Depending his role/depth chart he's very capable of vacuuming up targets on one side of the field. 

Presently there's no "clear" structure to our WR room. Who will win the X role? Is Moore going to start right away in the slot? Where does crowder go. Davis and Cole will be competing for snaps in TC at flanker... Truthfully SF outside of the split end role, rotating a lot of WRs in and out... I think depth is good.

Exactly.  If Mims can lock down the X then it becomes more clear.   I’m not sure he does that coming out of camp though. 

[sec101row23]

Just now, Joe W. Namath said:

Yes, only you understand the offensive system coming from SF.  Its just so difficult for the rest of us to comprehend how it will work.

And according to you, a guy whos best offer was a 1 year deal is going to be playing over Joe Douglas's 2nd round pick from last year who has more talent in his left pinky then Cole.

Um, sure.

We’ll see about that Mr. Namath.  Let’s revisit in October.  

[sec101row23]

3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

You can practically smell the know-it-all 20 year old wafting off you. Do you wake up feeling like a dick or is it something you have to work yourself up to with coffee/porn

Bro, he had Cole as a fantasy manager.   He knows him. 

[Joe W. Namath]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

How am I the know it all when you came into this thread saying people don't know Keelan Cole and I pulled my assessment out of a hat? Just because you got proven wrong, you don't have to resort to this. Or maybe you do, because that's all you got.

Next time know what you're talking about.

Keelan Cole has been in the league for 4 years.  Hes no mystery.  Everyone knows who he is.  He has had some god games but was a backup wr in Jax who's best offer this offseason was a 1 year deal.

Hes the 5th wr on this team and will see 0 snaps over Davis, mims, Crowder and moore.  And if someone gets hurt, he will step in and do quite well.

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Bro, he had Cole as a fantasy manager.   He knows him. 

Paradis said he was his fantasy owner. I guess that doesn't mean much. It's funny how you guys project.

Anymore facts you want to dish out about a perennial 3rd/4th WR? Any stats? Any support?

[32EBoozer]

11 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Where does crowder go.

GB?

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

How am I the know it all when you came into this thread saying people don't know Keelan Cole and I pulled my assessment out of a hat? Just because you got proven wrong, you don't have to resort to this. Or maybe you do, because that's all you got.

Next time know what you're talking about.

lol "proven wrong"... i must have missed the jury of my peers. Maybe i was being generous when i said 20 year old... ooooooo I got Lee and Robinson mixed up, oooooooo. What else has google told you? 

My job professionally is pick out the entitled/enabled a$$holes and deal with them. I don't even need to raise my gaze from the monitor to know you'd be on my radar. Your defensiveness really gives you away. 

[Paradis]

3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Bro, he had Cole as a fantasy manager.   He knows him. 

I too often regret trying on the board these days. 

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

lol "proven wrong"... i must have missed the jury of my peers. Maybe i was being generous when i said 20 year old... ooooooo I got Lee and Robinson mixed up, oooooooo. What else has google told you? 

My job professionally is pick out the entitled/enabled a$$holes and deal with them. I don't even need to raise my gaze from the monitor to know you'd be on my radar. Your defensiveness really gives you away. 

That says it all.

Again more insults and no substance. Yep, proven wrong.

Everything you say is projecting. It's hilarious.

[Tranquilo]

Just now, Paradis said:

I too often regret trying on the board these days. 

Tell us more about your fantasy ownership since you mentioned it first.

[sec101row23]

Just now, Paradis said:

I too often regret trying on the board these days. 

Lol...seriously.   If only they were around to hear about Cole Pre-draft the year he came out.  

[Tranquilo]

Just now, sec101row23 said:

Lol...seriously.   If only they were around to hear about Cole Pre-draft the year he came out.  

Lol nothing of substance again...seriously

[GreenReaper]

3 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

If healthy Cole has a chance to be a major contributor in this offense.   His versatility is exactly what the “system” requires.  People think that drafting Moore makes Crowder expendable, but it’s actually Cole that will replace and take reps from Crowder.   Cole can be the volume receiver in this offense.   He can play inside or out and is much bigger than a traditional slot.   I wouldn’t be surprised if he led the Jets in receptions this year. 

I really like the signing of Cole too.

Hopefully...he's our new  Jerricho Cotchery type.  Always could count on Cotchery.  Versatile and a clutch receiver.  A solid #2-3 volume receiver.

Underappreciated by Rex Ryan.  Ryan got excited about the availability of Derrick Mason.  Who was on the downside of his career and released by the Ravens.  Ryan convinces Tannenbaum to sign him.  Pisses off  Cotchery.  Who then goes to the Steelers and has a few more good years.

Holmes gets injured and out for the season.  No Braylon Edwards.  And Jets really missed the always dependable Cotchery. 

IMO...Keelan Cole could be a Jerricho Cotchery 2.0 for the NYJ.  He could take up the slack if Davis-Mims or Moore get injured and be productive.

 

 

 

[slats]

Let’s maybe dial the bickering down a bit. 

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Let’s maybe dial the bickering down a bit. 

This isn’t even a Zach Wilson thread, the level of vitriol is astounding.  

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, Alka said:

It looks to me like we got 3 #2 receivers and 2 #3 receivers.  That's better than having like 1 #2 receiver, 2  #3 receivers and 2 #4 receivers.  And when the 1 #2 receiver got hurt, we had #3 and #4 wide receivers starting and finishing games for us.

Our receiving corps really has been "#2" for a long time. 

[slats]

50 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I don’t think that he’s a back up to Crowder as they are different types of receivers.  I don’t see a scenario where Crowder and Moore coexist on the field at the same time, especially early on.  I think they’ll use Moore in the slot first since it’s an easier transition and Moore’s skill set suits it the best.  
 

Day one 3 WR group would be Davis and Cole outside and Moore in the slot.  I’d also expect to see Mims being moved around a bit as well.  

Interesting take. This wouldn’t be my first thought. I’d think Davis and Mims outside with Crowder in the slot early in the year, with Moore getting reps inside and out as simply a rotational playmaker. I do think they’d like to develop him as a Z type receiver, but always move him around. 
 
However, you may be right about Cole moving ahead of Mims. I also think that part of the reason Joe Douglas grabbed Moore rather than trade down and collect more picks might’ve been because he was dissatisfied with the results of his second round trade back last year. That maybe (or even probably) Mims wasn’t his first choice at his original pick, and he wasn’t going to miss again. In other words, he may‘ve doubled up on WRs in free agency and took another high in the draft because he’s not so sure about Mims. 

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

A lot of this WR1 vs. WR2 stuff is based on who's throwing.  Would Davante Adams be considered a WR1 on the Jets last season with Darnold? 

If the Jets had Davonte Adams last year, Flacco would have been starting. So yes.

[jetstream23]

The more/better weapons the better.  I've been onboard with keeping Crowder but if Cole can truly man the Slot spot AND the Jets just drafted Elijah Moore then I have to think JD might be a bit itchy to save the $10M Crowder is due.  My preference is to try to negotiate a pay cut with him and keep him on the team.  I don't know what that number looks like but something around $7M would seem fair.  Crowder has legitimately been the only consistent offensive playmaker on this team for 3 years.

Davis, Mims, Crowder, Moore, Cole is a pretty nice group.  It's certainly the best we've probably seen here since the Decker and Marshall years back in 2015 or so.  What that means for guys like Vyncint Smith, Josh Malone, Braxton Berrios, etc. I don't know.  TBH, I think all of those guys are decent but none of them crack the Top 4 or 5 on the depth chart.  Depending on each of their practice squad eligibility given the new PS rules we may see most of those guys getting cut.

[DetroitRed]

As soon as guys are expendable, the next second there is an injury and we are starting Lawrence Cager.  Keep them all. Jets are under the cap

[sec101row23]

12 minutes ago, slats said:

Interesting take. This wouldn’t be my first thought. I’d think Davis and Mims outside with Crowder in the slot early in the year, with Moore getting reps inside and out as simply a rotational playmaker. I do think they’d like to develop him as a Z type receiver, but always move him around. 
 
However, you may be right about Cole moving ahead of Mims. I also think that part of the reason Joe Douglas grabbed Moore rather than trade down and collect more picks might’ve been because he was dissatisfied with the results of his second round trade back last year. That maybe (or even probably) Mims wasn’t his first choice at his original pick, and he wasn’t going to miss again. In other words, he may‘ve doubled up on WRs in free agency and took another high in the draft because he’s not so sure about Mims. 

Ideally Mims comes out of camp and grabs the split end/X role and is a fixture there for the next 5 years or so.  I’m not sure that will be the case right away.  Also, so much will depend on what personnel groupings the Jets are in.  If they are in 2 TE a lot, then that obviously cuts down on some WR reps.  Two WR sets would generally be comprised of Davis, Cole or Mims.  

[Joe W. Namath]

25 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

As soon as guys are expendable, the next second there is an injury and we are starting Lawrence Cager.  Keep them all. Jets are under the cap

Correct.  We do not need the money this year so I am not sure what saving $10 mil this year does for us.  If I remember correctly, this is the last year of crowder's contract and hes off the books for next year.

So if we do not need the 10mil this year, there is really no reason to cut a good player who can be a safety valve for a rookie qb.