Bryce Huff

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I should ban you for that, but I'm feeling ornery so I ate the last of the bacon in the mod lounge instead.

*burp*

 

At least if you banned me I could run to the store for more bacon. 

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Fine, you want to accept the good and ignore his mistakes, that is fine. Like I said, I have never seriously critiqued anyone for being positive but what I just posted is not opinion, they are facts. JD has been poor at drafting. There is no denying this. Look at last seasons draft and tell me you feel good about anyone in the first 4 rounds. Anyone after that is basically a dart throw. Nobody leaves a guy that can start on the board for 5 rounds when his first 4 rounds look as bad as 2020 did for Douglas

I most certainly didnt do that.  And you certainly didnt post facts.  You posted an opinion, how do you even begin to kill a draft after one year and say its not opinion?

I said all GMs miss.  You have a unrealistic view based on one draft.  Which you dont even want to credit with adding 5 starters to the lineup, call 5 starters a wipeout. After one season.  Without the benefit of a camp due to COVID and with having the Gase and Williams regime trying to ruin the kids.

After one whole season I'm not crying over Becton in the 1st and what I saw of Ashton Davis vs Tenn.

 

[Irish Jet]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Lets see, Becton, a starter will pro bowl potential.  Who certainly played like a franchise lineman last season

Mims, not contributing but the team sure shows patience with him, we'll see, doesnt look promising but if you can find posts where you questioned his talent and selection you'd have a point agains him

Ashton Davis, healthy and starting.  Admittedly needs to stay healthy

Zuninga a waste but worth the risk to JD, eh

Perine, will play when healthy

Bryce Hall has been a stud this year

Mann 

Wipeout?  

Cult.

[More Cowbell]

20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He was rolling out and made his biggest pass plays on the run Sunday.  He showed escapability.

We claim all we want to see is improvement and then complain when we see it that its not really improvement.  

It was improvement.  He played an incredible game last Sunday. I loved watching him for the first time and I loved watching the Jets for the first time in years.  As far as him making the throws while moving, that is also great. But there is no denying his protection on Sunday was noticeably better than it had been which made him confident. When a QB doesn't  think the first thing he has to do is run from a free rusher and will have time to look down field,  he will be a better QB.

[nycdan]

7 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

At least if you banned me I could run to the store for more bacon. 

Touché (which might be French for bacon)

[More Cowbell]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Lets see, Becton, a starter will pro bowl potential.  Who certainly played like a franchise lineman last season

Mims, not contributing but the team sure shows patience with him, we'll see, doesnt look promising but if you can find posts where you questioned his talent and selection you'd have a point agains him

Ashton Davis, healthy and starting.  Admittedly needs to stay healthy

Zuninga a waste but worth the risk to JD, eh

Perine, will play when healthy

Bryce Hall has been a stud this year

Mann 

Wipeout?  

Do you actually think Becton is showing Pro Bowl potential? Based on what, being off the field about as many games as he is on it? Last season was also very up and down. He had about as many bad games as good ones. 

Also, I have made plenty  of posts about Mims last season and got killed for it from you. I said all last season he does nothing after the catch, runs out of bounds, and does not get open. 

As far as Hall, great pick but that was luck. He would not last as long as he did if JD knew he was this good. Credit for grabbing him when he did. 

[Jet Nut]

19 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

JD has been poor at drafting.

Its more that youre poor at evaluating drafted talent.

We got a high number of starters and contributors in his first draft and his 2nd draft is showing the same after all of 4 games.

 

[More Cowbell]

13 minutes ago, phill1c said:

YOu can draft the Pope to lead mass but if the church is burning nobody gets saved.

He's drafted talent. There's no doubt about that either. Just because a player doesn't work out in a particular system doesn't mean it was a poor draft choice. I really like the talent on this team. To say that he's drafted poorly seems kinda crazy.

And of course, negative,

Anti-JetNation.

His head coach is STARTING THE MOST ROOKIES IN THE NFL and you're saying he's drafting poorly?!

Yeah,  I do. Please name someone outside of Hall that he kind of luck out with that is a big time contributer this season from the 2020 draft. 

[More Cowbell]

13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I most certainly didnt do that.  And you certainly didnt post facts.  You posted an opinion, how do you even begin to kill a draft after one year and say its not opinion?

I said all GMs miss.  You have a unrealistic view based on one draft.  Which you dont even want to credit with adding 5 starters to the lineup, call 5 starters a wipeout. After one season.  Without the benefit of a camp due to COVID and with having the Gase and Williams regime trying to ruin the kids.

After one whole season I'm not crying over Becton in the 1st and what I saw of Ashton Davis vs Tenn.

 

Let's  agree to disagree. 

Enjoy 

[Jet Nut]

11 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

It was improvement.  He played an incredible game last Sunday. I loved watching him for the first time and I loved watching the Jets for the first time in years.  As far as him making the throws while moving, that is also great. But there is no denying his protection on Sunday was noticeably better than it had been which made him confident. When a QB doesn't  think the first thing he has to do is run from a free rusher and will have time to look down field,  he will be a better QB.

The protection was fine Sunday and perfect in game two vs the Pats

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Yeah,  I do. Please name someone outside of Hall that he kind of luck out with that is a big time contributer this season from the 2020 draft. 

You mean Becton, Hall, Mann, Davis....4 starters and Becton being a big time contributor alone with Hall?

 

[More Cowbell]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Its more that youre poor at evaluating drafted talent.

We got a high number of starters and contributors in his first draft and his 2nd draft is showing the same after all of 4 games.

 

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/04/23/new-york-jets-nfl-draft-picks-tracker-2020/5159502002/

That is a link to the 2020 draft pick. Name this high number of starters.

[phill1c]

4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Yeah,  I do. Please name someone outside of Hall that he kind of luck out with that is a big time contributer this season from the 2020 draft. 

Here's the thing: he drafted players for a different head coaching systems: different defense (3-4 vs. 4-3), different offense (Gase vs. LeFleur), different special teams.

But Ok, Hall comes to mind, Becton comes to mind. 

Your opinion seems simplistic and doesn't at all seem to take account of the reality of the Jets recent past or the present. It just seems like you have a persistent negative narrative that you've committed to..

Anti-JetsNation.

[More Cowbell]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You mean Becton, Hall, Mann, Davis....4 starters and Becton being a big time contributor alone with Hall?

 

If you want to continue  to call Becton a big time contributor,  we are kind of done here. Becton bas contributed  nothing this season.

[phill1c]

"Hall that he kind of luck out with"

So, when he's right, it's luck...

Anti-JetNation

[phill1c]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

If you want to continue  to call Becton a big time contributor,  we are kind of done here. Becton bas contributed  nothing this season.

Not true, again. He was blocking on Wilson's first TD pass.

Anti-JetNation.

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, More Cowbell said:

If you want to continue  to call Becton a big time contributor,  we are kind of done here. Becton bas contributed  nothing this season.

So is he a bust? 

Hint: he's not.

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/04/23/new-york-jets-nfl-draft-picks-tracker-2020/5159502002/

That is a link to the 2020 draft pick. Name this high number of starters.

Today?  Without injuries, that cant be predicted, and Mann, Perine along with Becton playing its what 5-6 starters?  Thats not a wasted draft.  

Its been a year, you dont want to recognize that and actually seem to believe that after one year it is what it is and no one will develop 

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

If you want to continue  to call Becton a big time contributor,  we are kind of done here. Becton bas contributed  nothing this season.

If you dont think he is or will be youre right, we're done here.  

Becton played two seasons and will miss half of this season, want to bet when he returns hes an integral part of the OL and offense?  

[BCJet]

1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said:

That's fair enough for JFM, as it seems absolutely no one foresaw what we're getting out of him this year, and he could be setting himself up for a huge payday. Foley on the other hand should have been taken care of prior to this season, as he'd already proven himself well enough, and with contract time left, it gave the Jets leverage. JD has to prove he has the ability to retain talent, which is something he has yet to show a hint of. Now granted, the team has been mostly devoid of talent, but he's yet to hit on any of his attempts so far. That becomes a much bigger deal this offseason, so will be interesting to see what comes of it.

I dont disagree, but Id imagine JD wanted to see if Foley could thrive in a new scheme that focused on penetrating and getting upfield, vs occupying space and stopping the run.

The thing about Foley (who btw I love as a player, seems like a leader, and is someone who can rush the passer), is that as for as DTs who get 3-4 sacks per game, they seem like somewhat replaceable players.  Jonathan Hankins is a great example of a player like foley who is good, but always seems to be on short term contracts. 

We do have money to spend, however with Lawson on the books for a decent contract the next 2 years, JFM needing an extension and in a year QW getting elite money, it seems like we may have to cut corners.  Plus the franchise number is $14 for DTs, so thats obviously not gonna work for foley.  

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

if Becton can't  stay healthy, taking him over Wirfs was a mega bad move

We could do this for every GM, every year, forever. It's easy to make hindsight draft selections. This is peak silliness. Wirfs could tear his PCL, MCL and ACL tomorrow, and Becton could go on to have a relatively healthy career. Both could also suffer career ending injuries. Would Wirfs still have been the correct pick, or would we say that the Jets should have drafted a fat DL?

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Even Moore looks questionable

He absolutely does not. He's played three games. Three of those games, his QB was running for his life. It's peak lunacy to judge a rookie WR who is playing with a rookie QB who is settling into his game. 

[sec101row23]

5 minutes ago, BCJet said:

I dont disagree, but Id imagine JD wanted to see if Foley could thrive in a new scheme that focused on penetrating and getting upfield, vs occupying space and stopping the run.

The thing about Foley (who btw I love as a player, seems like a leader, and is someone who can rush the passer), is that as for as DTs who get 3-4 sacks per game, they seem like somewhat replaceable players.  Jonathan Hankins is a great example of a player like foley who is good, but always seems to be on short term contracts. 

We do have money to spend, however with Lawson on the books for a decent contract the next 2 years, JFM needing an extension and in a year QW getting elite money, it seems like we may have to cut corners.  Plus the franchise number is $14 for DTs, so thats obviously not gonna work for foley.  

Good points.  It’s worth noting that in 2022, Rankins is on the books for $6.2M (only $700k in dead money if cut) and Shaq Lawson is on the books for $9M (Zero dead money if cut).   I think you could easily sign both JFM and Fatukasi with that money alone.  Maybe even restructure Rankins at a better number if Saleh really likes him.  Shaq Lawson won’t be a consideration IMO in 2022.  

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

49 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

JD has been poor at drafting. There is no denying this.

I am denying this. 

Two drafts. TWO. 2020 is not looking good, agreed, but the book is not closed just yet. His 2021 draft is looking better by the week. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

35 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

As far as Hall, great pick but that was luck.

You're just going to keep moving the goal post, aren't you? His 2020 draft was bad, but the Hall pick was good, but he got lucky. Do I have that right? 

It was a low risk, high reward pick, but he still made it, and he gets credit for it. 

[More Cowbell]

26 minutes ago, phill1c said:

Not true, again. He was blocking on Wilson's first TD pass.

Anti-JetNation.

Awesome. He blocked on 1 pass that meant something.  Lets get another high first round picks that contributes to one play in 4 games going on 5 in a season

[More Cowbell]

27 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

So is he a bust? 

Hint: he's not.

I don't  think we can call him a bust nor have I. I think he is nothing spectacular  is all

[More Cowbell]

26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Today?  Without injuries, that cant be predicted, and Mann, Perine along with Becton playing its what 5-6 starters?  Thats not a wasted draft.  

Its been a year, you dont want to recognize that and actually seem to believe that after one year it is what it is and no one will develop 

Perine is not a starter and Mann is a freaking punter. He starts by default. I don't  even think he had competition  since he was drafted. 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Perine is not a starter and Mann is a freaking punter. He starts by default. I don't  even think he had competition  since he was drafted. 

Mann is a freaking punter who starts.  A good punter is a huge part of team, have no clue how its a negative.  He starts by default because they arent looking to replace him.  Thats a negative?   Really?

Perine and all the RBs in this offense are starters, splitting carries is the way it works.  If he shows anything hes the first one to get carries along side Carter.

You do realize that at this point youre just complaining to complain 

 

[More Cowbell]

28 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

If you dont think he is or will be youre right, we're done here.  

Becton played two seasons and will miss half of this season, want to bet when he returns hes an integral part of the OL and offense?  

Actually I'm not sure they will shake up the OL if Fant continues  to play like he has. I wouldn't.  They may try and trade him. Fant has graded very well. I know I said when Becton comes back he starts but that was before I saw the grade on Fant. 

[More Cowbell]

28 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

We could do this for every GM, every year, forever. It's easy to make hindsight draft selections. This is peak silliness. Wirfs could tear his PCL, MCL and ACL tomorrow, and Becton could go on to have a relatively healthy career. Both could also suffer career ending injuries. Would Wirfs still have been the correct pick, or would we say that the Jets should have drafted a fat DL?

Well so far Wirfs is winning that battle

[More Cowbell]

23 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

He absolutely does not. He's played three games. Three of those games, his QB was running for his life. It's peak lunacy to judge a rookie WR who is playing with a rookie QB who is settling into his game. 

He hasn't  shown great ability  to catch the ball. Not so sure about body control and awareness of where he is on the field  by evidence of him running out of bounds  on his forst pass caught when he was wide open but Zack might have thrown him pit of bounds which aint a great thing either 

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

Actually I'm not sure they will shake up the OL if Fant continues  to play like he has. I wouldn't.  They may try and trade him. Fant has graded very well. I know I said when Becton comes back he starts but that was before I saw the grade on Fant. 

When Becton is healthy hes playing.  Hes better than Moses and Fant,  That Fant has developed and grades out well is pure bonus and moves a negative on the JD ledger to a huge positive.   

Funny that some of us had tried reminding people that Fant was a developmental project coming off an injury when we signed him who had potential but were ridiculed.  

[More Cowbell]

21 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I am denying this. 

Two drafts. TWO. 2020 is not looking good, agreed, but the book is not closed just yet. His 2021 draft is looking better by the week. 

I gotta say, thank you for this post. I was just tild we got 5 or 6 starters out of 2020

[#27TheDominator]

39 minutes ago, phill1c said:

Here's the thing: he drafted players for a different head coaching systems: different defense (3-4 vs. 4-3), different offense (Gase vs. LeFleur), different special teams.

But Ok, Hall comes to mind, Becton comes to mind. 

Your opinion seems simplistic and doesn't at all seem to take account of the reality of the Jets recent past or the present. It just seems like you have a persistent negative narrative that you've committed to..

Anti-JetsNation.

Gregg WIlliams is known for running an attacking 4-3 defense.  If they were drafting for a 3-4 that is a pretty big indictment.  I did hear that Davis might not be a great fit for what Saleh wants to do, but the front 7 should be very similar.  Remember when Vilma didn't fit the 3-4?  We unloaded him on New Orleans and he won the super bowl with Gregg Williams.