Scott Dierking Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 15 minutes ago, extmenace said: What’s the point in owning the team then? Owners want to be involved. NFL Owners are businessmen on a different level, they didn’t get to where they were by not being involved. You can argue if they are good or bad all you want, but I just don’t think you’ll ever find an owner that wouldn’t want to be involved in helping build the team. The same as an owner of every other business. To provide value to the daily operations of the business (if they have an intrinsic knowledge of that business), provide guidance of business fundamentals to grow the business, and set boundaries as to business goals and objectives. Smart ownership of business realize what they know and what they don't know. Does Woody have any background or experience in actively managing football operations, personnel, or the intricacies of the game? To my knowledge, no. In that case, take the advice of the experts that you have hired in those areas, and create a "check with me" on the boundaries. Woody should be a guiding hand. Not a football advisor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 As of this week, the Jets have the longest playoff drought in American sports. Not just football, but sports. He gets credit for nothing. The franchise has done nothing but get consistently worse the deeper it gets into his ownership. Anyone who shills for this guy, I mean come the **** on already. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said: The same as an owner of every other business. To provide value to the daily operations of the business (if they have an intrinsic knowledge of that business), provide guidance of business fundamentals to grow the business, and set boundaries as to business goals and objectives. Smart ownership of business realize what they know and what they don't know. Does Woody have any background or experience in actively managing football operations, personnel, or the intricacies of the game? To my knowledge, no. In that case, take the advice of the experts that you have hired in those areas, and create a "check with me" on the boundaries. Woody should be a guiding hand. Not a football advisor. I mean he’s owned the team for what 23 years now? You’re going to say he doesn’t have experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 3 hours ago, Alka said: I understand all the love for Woody Johnson, but I don't quite feel the way you do. From what I read, Joe Douglas and his staff wanted Carr as our QB, but Woody interfered and insisted on Rodgers. While getting Rodgers is definitely a win in my eyes, I think that Carr might have been a bigger win. Less money, younger, still a high quality QB, and giving up zero draft picks. The Jets have been big losers for the last decade plus, and Woody Johnson is a big reason why. Yes, the staff and JD rallied around getting Rodgers after Woody made his decision, but Woody should have stayed the hell out of it. He continues to think he knows more than he does. In my mind, he is a dummy! I know I am in the minority, but this is how I feel. Im not sure why you think they wanted carr. I didnt see that, not that it isnt true, but I would assume the probably though he be much cheaper and be sufficinet. But I think saleh and Joe wanted Rogers. BUt agree with you if rogers was not available he would have been a win..no draft picks etc. I think you might be the majority friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 20 minutes ago, extmenace said: I mean he’s owned the team for what 23 years now? You’re going to say he doesn’t have experience? How has that worked out for the Jets? The majority of people he has hired have been very bad at what they do. He can't even vet properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 7 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Im not sure why you think they wanted carr. I didnt see that, not that it isnt true, but I would assume the probably though he be much cheaper and be sufficinet. But I think saleh and Joe wanted Rogers. BUt agree with you if rogers was not available he would have been a win..no draft picks etc. I think you might be the majority friend. It is possible Carr was the top target for Douglas and Saleh. Douglas gave him a number but Carr seemed to only have eyes for NO. Saleh also made an offhand comment when Rodgers was getting baked about bringing in a QB in his early thirties. Carr fits that description. I wonder if Woody blew up when they found out Carr was off the table and demanded they get Rodgers. Beforehand Woody made comments about leaving it up to Douglas and Saleh. This week he's talking about how the team is in win now mode. I don't think of Woody as playing fifty dimensional chess with the media. Something changed in his tone about the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I get it. When you sour on someone, every little thing they do or don't do is going to bother you. Woody Johnson's reign as owner has been an abject failure. With the exception of two AFC Championship games, Woody's Jets have done bupkis. Woody 2.0 has allowed Joe Douglas to run this team since his return from the UK. Aside from being goofy on Twitter, Woody has remained relatively quiet and has been hands off. He owns the team and I have no problem with the owner of a team getting involved when it comes to a franchise altering trade. If you have a problem the totality of Woody's ownership, I cannot argue. If you have a problem with post-UK Woody, I'm not sure if you have much ammo to back up your argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 3/28/2023 at 2:56 PM, Joe W. Namath said: Post UK Woody is one of the best owners in the league. We are extremely lucky to have him. A few years of watching soccer and hooligan fans gave him a new perspective as a NFL owner. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: How has that worked out for the Jets? The majority of people he has hired have been very bad at what they do. He can't even vet properly. I didn’t say anything about how good or bad he’s been, but he is plenty experienced to be involved with running the team. When it’s all said and done, for the most part, you win superbowls with good QBs. You’re successful for long periods of times with good QBs. People keep jobs with good QBs. Owners look great with elite qbs. The jets haven’t had one since he’s owned the team. Belicheck / Kraft is a great example of that, looked mediocre before Brady, looked elite with Brady, looks mediocre after Brady. Is Robert Kraft a great owner or did a once in a generation talent bring a mediocre franchise to greatness? The patriots franchise doesn’t look all that great now does it? We need to find a damn qb, once they do, everyone will look a lot better at doing their jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 3/31/2023 at 1:38 PM, RutgersJetFan said: As of this week, the Jets have the longest playoff drought in American sports. Not just football, but sports. He gets credit for nothing. The franchise has done nothing but get consistently worse the deeper it gets into his ownership. Anyone who shills for this guy, I mean come the **** on already. If I see Rodgers in a jets hat in a press conference maybe I take back 10% of the bad things I have said about Woody and his brother last 15 years. Those 2 have turned this team into a clown college Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 On 3/31/2023 at 10:36 AM, Scott Dierking said: The same as an owner of every other business. To provide value to the daily operations of the business (if they have an intrinsic knowledge of that business), provide guidance of business fundamentals to grow the business, and set boundaries as to business goals and objectives. Smart ownership of business realize what they know and what they don't know. Does Woody have any background or experience in actively managing football operations, personnel, or the intricacies of the game? To my knowledge, no. In that case, take the advice of the experts that you have hired in those areas, and create a "check with me" on the boundaries. Woody should be a guiding hand. Not a football advisor. Um...the ny jets with a very subpar product as of forever...get one of most profitable teams in all sports. Pretty sure woody is doing pretty good. Lately he finally has got the right football people in place. I think we are all going to do finally see our team get to the promise land. It's does take long for a team to lose its stink not matter how long they Stunk we you turn it around. See buccs, buffalo, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Um...the ny jets with a very subpar product as of forever...get one of most profitable teams in all sports. Pretty sure woody is doing pretty good. Lately he finally has got the right football people in place. I think we are all going to do finally see our team get to the promise land. It's does take long for a team to lose its stink not matter how long they Stunk we you turn it around. See buccs, buffalo, etc Woody might be the best owner from profit perspective in NFL. He’s the Max Bialystok of football. Learned long ago you can make more money with a cheaper loser in NY than an expensive winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 How many free agents have turned the Jets down since a giddy Woody Johnson told us how excited he was that players are finally willing to take his money? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 55 minutes ago, jgb said: Woody might be the best owner from profit perspective in NFL. He’s the Max Bialystok of football. Learned long ago you can make more money with a cheaper loser in NY than an expensive winner. Woody has more money than any one will ever need. I disagree with you. Yes he wants to be profitable but at his age it's like owning a lake and someone is giving you truckload of water. Sounds great but you'll never need the water. What Woody can't get with money is the kind of treatment he gets as a winning owner. In 2009 he appeared at the Tampa Bay Jets club tailgate. He looked happy, was being cheered etc. Now? What could he possibly do with an extra billion and I am serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, southparkcpa said: Woody has more money than any one will ever need. I disagree with you. Yes he wants to be profitable but at his age it's like owning a lake and someone is giving you truckload of water. Sounds great but you'll never need the water. What Woody can't get with money is the kind of treatment he gets as a winning owner. In 2009 he appeared at the Tampa Bay Jets club tailgate. He looked happy, was being cheered etc. Now? What could he possibly do with an extra billion and I am serious. We can only hope as he ages, he has a Leon Hess “I can’t take it with me” moment and puts winning above profit. But to date his actions as owner have mostly been very profit-focused. Although, I’ll admit he seems to be big game hunting now beginning with JD. By the way, I’m not knocking it. I’d run a football team like a business also if 90% of my wealth was tied into it, as it is with Woody. I actually wish Woody was even wealthier, so he viewed the Jets as a proxy ego trip rather than a pure business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 We can only hope as he ages, he has a Leon Hess “I can’t take it with me” moment and puts winning above profit. But to date his actions as owner have mostly been very profit-focused. Although, I’ll admit he seems to be big game hunting now beginning with JD. By the way, I’m not knocking it. I’d run a football team like a business also if 90% of my wealth was tied into it, as it is with Woody. I actually wish Woody was even wealthier, so he viewed the Jets as a proxy ego trip rather than a pure business.Net worth Johnson and Johnson : 90 billionNY Jets : 5.4 billionSent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 24 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Net worth Johnson and Johnson : 90 billion NY Jets : 5.4 billion Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk I think you know the difference between Woody Johnson and J&J (by the way $90 billion is far too low for that enterprise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Weird thought on the heels of Woody demanding that JD stopped his pursuit of Derek Carr to pay a ridiculous price for a guy who doesnt want to play Football anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, JiF said: Weird thought on the heels of Woody demanding that JD stopped his pursuit of Derek Carr to pay a ridiculous price for a guy who doesnt want to play Football anymore. Hate to say it but I believe that decision has a lot to do with leaving the door open for Zach. Which is nauseating btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 11 minutes ago, jgb said: Hate to say it but I believe that decision has a lot to do with leaving the door open for Zach. Which is nauseating btw. And led by JetBlue, no doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 6 hours ago, JiF said: And led by JetBlue, no doubt. Yeah don’t buy into that conspiracy I think it’s more with the regime clinging to sunken cost fallacy/hoping to be proven right in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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