jetswin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The bad man is gone. He hasn’t gotten meaningfully better under Hackett. Maybe a 3rd OC can unlock his secret greatness If you're looking for me to surrender I will... if you see no improvement, can't argue with someone with hatred blinders on 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: Well then I guess I just don't understand football Because Zach wilson eats ass. Still shrugs, ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, jetswin said: If you're looking for me to surrender I will... if you see no improvement, can't argue with someone with hatred blinders on I said no “meaningful” improvement. Your choice to ignore that qualifier. Also your choice to pretend the 31st ranked QB in the league is much better than the 32nd. Because that’s where that “improvement” has gotten him. Yay? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: I said no “meaningful” improvement. Your choice to ignore that qualifier. Also your choice to pretend the 31st ranked QB in the league is much better than the 32nd. 2022 Zach and 2023 Zach are vastly different players, even the blind guy who says "morning ladies," as he passes them on the street can see that. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted October 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2023 50 minutes ago, prime21 said: Yes he was the #2 pick in the draft and we can admit that he is a bust. Lets move past that already because we have no choice. He is a NFL back up quarterback and is playing because of an injury. Yes, the defense is primarily the reason for us having a winning record but Zack is holding it down as a back up QB. This is correct and the Zach haters just can't let it go - and get here. He wasn't supposed to the be starter this year...Hopefully Rodgers comes back and he won't finish this year the starter.. He's not going to be the starter next year. Right now he's doing an admirable job as the back up being thrown into a tough situation. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, jetswin said: 2022 Zach and 2023 Zach are vastly different players, even the blind guy who says "morning ladies," as he passes them on the street can see that. And yet he still looked like one of the worst QBs I’ve ever seen this past Sunday, as well as the week before, all the same. And the numbers back that up. Weird how that works huh. This is why I trust data over hopeful optimists/homers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, The Crusher said: Trick or treat! more like April Fools 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I honestly see the improvement. He has gone from utterly useless to meh. So the article is correct and what alot of folks are saying is correct. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And yet he still looked like one of the worst QBs I’ve ever seen this past Sunday, as well as the week before, all the same. And the numbers back that up. Weird how that works huh. the team has 4 wins this year, that's been their total in 40% of the past ten seasons. Ill take that number 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, shawn306 said: I honestly see the improvement. He has gone from utterly useless to meh. So the article is correct and what alot of folks are saying is correct. Improvement doesn’t mean good and that’s that. We still need another qb to groom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, jetswin said: the team has 4 wins this year, that's been their total in 40% of the past ten seasons. Ill take that number And those wins have absolutely nothing to do with Zach Wilson. Stop assigning wins to QBs in a team sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted October 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, jetswin said: Look, the team likes him, the coaches like him, the press (not that it matters) is starting to like him. Messageboard fans still love to kill the Jets and its staff and players. Me, Im happy to see a 23 year old kid improving at QB for my favorite team Starting level offensive lineman are for bitches! -Z, Wilson 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And those wins have absolutely nothing to do with Zach Wilson. Stop assigning wins to QBs in a team sport. Stop assigning blame to just the QB... It's the whole offense... You are doing the same thing... Be consistent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 44 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: ZW might just be the most divisive QB in Jets history. I don't think so. We're exactly the same place we were with Darnold around the same time, and with Sanchez, but a little later on, and Geno as well. This will work itself out just like those three did, when Wilson is cut loose. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bicketybam Posted October 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2023 This is correct and the Zach haters just can't let it go - and get here. He wasn't supposed to the be starter this year...Hopefully Rodgers comes back and he won't finish this year the starter.. He's not going to be the starter next year. Right now he's doing an admirable job as the back up being thrown into a tough situation. They are just pissed because they thought they were done with Zach and then Rodgers went and blew up his achilles. I mean we were all upset when that happened. But now it's turned into a "I'm miserable and everyone else should be too" thing. It's exhausting. I just want to watch Jets football. Wins are wins. My expectations when Rodgers went out was about 4 wins for the season. From here on out I'm playing with house money. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Stop assigning blame to just the QB... It's the whole offense... You are doing the same thing... "Everybody's fault but Zach" crew checking in, clearly. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Warfish said: "Everybody's fault but Zach" crew checking in, clearly. Nobody.. Not one person has said that... Stop polarizing the argument... This is why it's impossible to talk to you haters... It's black or white... The offense is sucking from many factors INCLUDING Zach... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, bicketybam said: But now it's turned into a "I'm miserable and everyone else should be too" thing. It's funny that the homer white-knights, who are sooooooo angry at criticism of Zach, think it's OTHER people who are the miserable ones, lol. 1 minute ago, bicketybam said: It's exhausting. I just want to watch Jets football. Is someone stopping you? 1 minute ago, bicketybam said: My expectations when Rodgers went out was about 4 wins for the season. So you're no better at predicting game outcomes than you are QB success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Develop….sure. As the QB3. That’s the developmental spot he belonged in. Minshew would have cost $5M at most. Davis Mills a mid-round pick. Mike White could have easily been resigned. Bridgewater was available late into the offseason. There were options available all summer. You know my opinion about what we should have done the year Wilson was drafted. I was not in favor of us drafting him. That said, he has made some very big strides this year. It hasn't shown up on the Stat sheet yet. With his improved accuracy and mechanics, it has a chance too. My contention is, the retirement of Corey Davis, really hurt this passing offense. Wilson had some chemistry with him. You can't lay all the blame on Wilson for our red zone issues. A lot of blame to go around. Look at the year GW, is having.If he stays healthy he'll have over 90 receptions and well over 1000 yards. He is our only legitimate threat on the outside. That's not to mention our lack of a really trustworthy slot reciever. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Yes he’s the Jets quarterback. Yes- The Jets have won four games with him. Two of said games took absolutely insane things to happen to get the win. Yes- he made two good throws late. Confirmed - he is not turning over the ball at an alarming rate anymore- but still turning it over more than he puts up points. Bottom line is, he is still the absolute worst quarterback in the league ( not sure it’s even close). CoolYou were on a role of truth .. then you tanked your own post. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Nobody.. Not one person has said that... You say it almost every post you make, when you find the time to stop bulk spamming neg-reps, lol. P.S. I gave you back a few reps, since you've been so generous lately. Enjoy! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: You say it almost every post you make, when you find the time to stop bulk spamming neg-reps, lol. Never have I ever said that... Stop making sh*t up.... The offense sucks including Zach but the offensive problems are not ALL because of Zach... He is part of the problem sometimes and other people are also part of the problem... Again stop polarizing the argument... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dunnie Posted October 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2023 "Everybody's fault but Zach" crew checking in, clearly.You do agree to the following though right.1. QB has been better this year although still below average.2. Coach staff has no answers on offense.3. OL is a shredded doily.4. Defense is committing back breaking penalties at an alarming rate.5. The running game is non existent and the OC doesn't know how to fix it.6. The Defensive hubristic genius of a coach is afraid of offensive football.7. Special team is the shining light for this team.Right ??Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And those wins have absolutely nothing to do with Zach Wilson. Stop assigning wins to QBs in a team sport. ok just the losses then lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, jetswin said: ok just the losses then lol He played well in the KC game. Cost us the NE game on his own. Dallas game he sucked, but you can make a case a replacement level QB loses that game too. So he’s cost us 1 game and sucked in all our wins. Truly the mark of a growing, “night and day different” QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: P.S. I gave you back a few reps, since you've been so generous lately. Enjoy! Whatever makes you feel like you are winning I guess... Feel free to neg rep every post I have ever made like @Prodigal Syndicate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And yet he still looked like one of the worst QBs I’ve ever seen this past Sunday, as well as the week before, all the same. And the numbers back that up. Weird how that works huh. This is why I trust data over hopeful optimists/homers. Zack is not a very good QB. Take him and throw him to a blitz happy team in torrential rain, with backups protecting him up front. did you expect him to do much better? Regardless of how lucky we were to win, he made the passes that led us to tie the game. He is still not a very good QB but he is what he is and our starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Feel free to neg rep every post I have ever made Appreciate your permission, happy to do it! You seem to like doing it, nothing wrong with being just....like.....you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Appreciate your permission, happy to do it! You seem to like doing it, nothing wrong with being just....like.....you. But yet you ignore my points and just cherry pick to fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dunnie said: You do agree I agree that you're one of the biggest "Everyone's fault but Zach, Zach is dreamy" posters on the site Dunnie, lol. Keep in mind that more than one thing can be true at the same time: 1. We have several problems on Offense at current 2. Zach Wilson is a horrible QB, and the biggest problem for the Offense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, prime21 said: Zack is not a very good QB. Take him and throw him to a blitz happy team in torrential rain, with backups protecting him up front. did you expect him to do much better? Regardless of how lucky we were to win, he made the passes that led us to tie the game. He is still not a very good QB but he is what he is and our starter. QBs have to be able to play in the rain sometimes. If they can’t do the job effectively, maybe don’t draft them # 2 overall in the first place when you play half your games in the northeast, outdoors. Just a thought. The weather was fine against NE and Philly and he sucked in those, too. What’s the excuses for those? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dunnie said: You do agree to the following though right. 1. QB has been better this year although still below average. 2. Coach staff has no answers on offense. 3. OL is a shredded doily. 4. Defense is committing back breaking penalties at an alarming rate. 5. The running game is non existent and the OC doesn't know how to fix it. 6. The Defensive hubristic genius of a coach is afraid of offensive football. 7. Special team is the shining light for this team. Right ?? Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk I think the predictable runs are hurting the run game and the pass game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Warfish said: I agree that you're one of the biggest "Everyone's fault but Zach, Zach is dreamy" posters on the site Dunnie, lol. Keep in mind that more than one thing can be true at the same time: 1. We have several problems on Offense at current 2. Zach Wilson is a horrible QB, and the biggest problem for the Offense 3. The offensive problems make Zach look worse than he is playing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Reasonable Jets Fan said: But yet you ignore my points and just cherry pick to fit your narrative. Not even reading them now, just neg-repping them. Kinda like you do. When you change, maybe I'll consider stopping. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I agree that you're one of the biggest "Everyone's fault but Zach, Zach is dreamy" posters on the site Dunnie, lol. Keep in mind that more than one thing can be true at the same time: 1. We have several problems on Offense at current 2. Zach Wilson is a horrible QB, and the biggest problem for the OffenseIt amuses me that guys see me as some sort of arch Zach supporter when 90% of my posts acknowledge he has a long way to go.But such is the price of posting a fair and balanced analysis. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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