Jets wait until week 14, then tell Zach to “Let it rip”! What took so long?

[docdhc]

18 hours ago, Hex said:

This game is definitionally a fluke. He does it again and it becomes a coincidence. He does it again, then it becomes a pattern. I do hope he turns it around and keeps playing like this, even if he doesn't stay on this team. The NFL needs more good QBs.

If he consistently plays like this for another team it would be the cruelest thing ever for this Jet fan. 

[carlito1171]

Been saying this for a while......I know Zach isn't a good QB, but we can win if they call the game to his strengths. It took a leak and a dysfunctional situation for these two bozos Saleh and Hackett to finally open up the playbook and "let it rip"......

It's an indictment of coaching that it took us this long to play to win........Its partly on Zach of course to be competent in what he's asked to do, but still, it's on coaching to put him in position to be successful. I'd argue that didn't happen until yesterday. 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

31 minutes ago, Warfish said:

On the contrary, I freely admit I am arrogant as the day is long, and have a huge ego.

Of course, now I've been truly humbled, knowing I'm just one of the dumbass 99% blessed to bask in the wisdom and 30 years of football experience represented in your posts.

We're lucky to have you Frank.  Thank you.

glad we are starting to see eye 2 eye War, anytime, I am here for you bub

[Flea Flicking Frank]

28 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I think my description of his play yesterday as the best of his career, in horrible conditions no less, was pretty objective.

But I'll maintain Zach's failure in NY had very little to do with "bad fans" as Fidelio likes to repeat.  I'll also maintain that fans are fans, NY fans are no more (or less) toxic than those of other passionate NFL Cities.  I've yet to read or hear things here at JN I don't also hear and read down here in DC on a regular basis, for example.

But no, I won't stand by while Fidelio tries to lay the primary blame for Zach's troubles on Jets FANS.    

I have said that I don't think the fans are the problem as well, but I don't think they help matters, but barring a QB coming in and being CJ Stroud from day 1, they are going to need thick skin to play here.

you were objective yesterday, Ill give you that, but your usual response to anyone trying to add any context to anything ZW related is, so its everyones fault EXCEPT Zachs fault, and your complete unwillingness to attribute anything to anyone other than ZW has been pretty unobjective

[JiFtheOracle]

34 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

Should invite him for hoops.

 

33 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

Sure, JVOR, that'll really help Zach's confidence:  Having him play ball with the same dude who faced Vince Carter.

That dude is almost 30 years older, having a mid-life crisis and doesnt even know what teams he roots for or should root for anymore or if even enjoys sports anymore.  The last thing I need in my life is Zach Wilson dunking on me.

[JiFtheOracle]

27 minutes ago, doitny said:

i heard he is hurt you left the Jets to be a Jags fans because of his crappy play on the field.

Well, technically it was the fact that only the Jets could down grade from Zach Wilson after benching him only to then have the Failed Mary on Black Friday to add to our embarrassment of riches but this sounds better!

 

[Barry McCockinner]

anyone have a paid newsday subscription? this article came up from september when I searched for saleh wilson "let it rip" and I'm curious if Saleh was saying the same sh*t all season. I refuse to pay a quarter for the subscription.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/robert-saleh-zach-wilson-get-better-wijfgzoi

[JiFtheOracle]

54 minutes ago, JagsFanJif said:

I havent read this thread, looking forward to it! ...but I remember when the Jets told Zach to let it rip vs. the Chiefs and it was the greatest game ever played in a loss!  So did they stop telling him to let it rip and then they told him to let it rip again?  I'm confused.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

anyone have a paid newsday subscription? this article came up from september when I searched for saleh wilson "let it rip" and I'm curious if Saleh was saying the same sh*t all season. I refuse to pay a quarter for the subscription.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/robert-saleh-zach-wilson-get-better-wijfgzoi

Thats why I said the above.  Saleh has been saying it all season.  This was Saleh after the Chiefs game on October 1st:

The New York Jets’ embattled quarterback was everything during a 23-20 loss to Kansas City on Sunday night that he has been criticized for not being during his three NFL seasons. And it came during a week in which the doubters came from every direction, with even Joe Namath calling for him to be benched.

 

“I’m pumped for him and I’m pumped for the locker room,” coach Robert Saleh said Monday. “Because I think everyone sees it (in practice), but to go out and show that you’re capable of it is a whole other thing.”

“I’m pumped for him, I truly am,” Saleh said. “He’s resilient. He’s gotten dragged through the mud and for him to have tasted a little bit of success, even though we didn’t win — I wish we could have pulled that one out — but I think he’s only going to get better.”

“You’ve got to back it up and just keep stacking good days after good days after good days and get to game day and get comfortable and be confident in yourself and play,” Saleh said. “Just let it rip.”

 

[Warfish]

10 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

I have said that I don't think the fans are the problem as well, but I don't think they help matters, but barring a QB coming in and being CJ Stroud from day 1, they are going to need thick skin to play here.

I would argue that any young NFL QB coming into any city and team being expected to play day 1 would need an equally thick skin, and/or the discipline to not be cruising social media or fan forums all day. 

10 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

you were objective yesterday, Ill give you that, but your usual response to anyone trying to add any context to anything ZW related is, so its everyones fault EXCEPT Zachs fault, and your complete unwillingness to attribute anything to anyone other than ZW has been pretty unobjective

When people (like Fidelio, as an example) have explicitly make the argument that "toxic fans" are the primary reason Zach is what Zach is, yes, I'm going to push back on that hard every single time.

And when a poster here has, over time, blamed every other player and coach for the failings of the QB, I will push back on that as well.  

Describing me as "unobjective" or somehow uncritical of others in the Jets Org. is laughable, frankly.  I was ahead of the crowd here being critical of, and wanting Saleh and JD replaced, and I NEVER wanted Hackett here in the damn first place.  You all are only now catching up to me on being critical of this staff and front office.  Not the other way around.  Just because people refuse to read other criticisms separate from those of Zach does not mean those criticism were not made. 

It's also rich IMO when the same folks who demanded Zach play day 1 and demanded we not sign any QB competition, now tries to argue that Zach should have sat for a year or two, and give me sh*t about that like I wasn't the god damn one saying that AT THE TIME arguing against THEM and their demand for Zach to play ffs. 

That's JN in a nutshell, homer true believers beating up objective folks till X goes to sh*t, then those same true-believers pretending they never were, and that it's the folks who got it right all along that are the problem.

[Dcat]

3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I think you're missing the point.

It's not really about what the fan base thinks - as it is about Zach's reaction to that negativity.  He clearly doesn't handle it well.  If the Jets fan base wasn't so toxic they might have given him a shot, supported him early and we might have a different situation on our hands.

^utter nonsense.  The fanbase does not change Zach Wilson's performance on the field.  The game plan does on both sides of the ball. 

They lost Cashman, arguably their most effective LB, early and we watched several of their defensive players get escorted off the field, including the 2023 over #3 pick and then late in the game, Stroud, the 2023 overall #2 pick.  Both Anderson and Stroud and Cashman have joined the MetLife Evil Turf death list..  Texans were playing in a bend/no break defense after Cashman and then Will Anderson were eaten alive by the MetLife turf.  and the subsequent soft defense backfired. 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I would argue that any young NFL QB coming into any city and team being expected to play day 1 would need an equally thick skin, and/or the discipline to not be cruising social media or fan forums all day. 

When people (like Fidelio, as an example) have explicitly make the argument that "toxic fans" are the primary reason Zach is what Zach is, yes, I'm going to push back on that hard every single time.

And when a poster here has, over time, blamed every other player and coach for the failings of the QB, I will push back on that as well.  

Describing me as "unobjective" or somehow uncritical of others in the Jets Org. is laughable, frankly.  I was ahead of the crowd here being critical of, and wanting Saleh and JD replaced, and I NEVER wanted Hackett here in the damn first place.  You all are only now catching up to me on being critical of this staff and front office.  Not the other way around.  Just because people refuse to read other criticisms separate from those of Zach does not mean those criticism were not made. 

It's also rich IMO when the same folks who demanded Zach play day 1 and demanded we not sign any QB competition, now tries to argue that Zach should have sat for a year or two, and give me sh*t about that like I wasn't the god damn one saying that AT THE TIME arguing against THEM and their demand for Zach to play ffs. 

That's JN in a nutshell, homer true believers beating up objective folks till X goes to sh*t, then those same true-believers pretending they never were, and that it's the folks who got it right all along that are the problem.

I did not say you were unobjective about the Jets org, I chose my words carefully, please read it again. I would agree that outside of ZW you have been very objective.

Couple of problems I see, many fans take a stance on a player for whaterver reason, than die on that hill in either direction. I don't think thats productive, and makes it very hard to be objective. Ive been there over the years, and have since learned that its best for me personally to not take a stance in either direction on a player, but root for the Jets and the laundry above all else, and try to observe.  The other problem is this place has largely become an echo chamber, 90% think in one way and don't want to hear anything in the opposite direction, and will bash anything even trying to be rationale that goes against their narrative. I don't think thats productive. I think knives get sharpened with the right amount of healthy friction, and that what I love about places like this when thy work properly, but they usually don't. 

[FidelioJet]

48 minutes ago, Dcat said:

^utter nonsense.  The fanbase does not change Zach Wilson's performance on the field.  The game plan does on both sides of the ball. 

They lost Cashman, arguably their most effective LB, early and we watched several of their defensive players get escorted off the field, including the 2023 over #3 pick and then late in the game, Stroud, the 2023 overall #2 pick.  Both Anderson and Stroud and Cashman have joined the MetLife Evil Turf death list..  Texans were playing in a bend/no break defense after Cashman and then Will Anderson were eaten alive by the MetLife turf.  and the subsequent soft defense backfired. 

Most Toxic fan base in all of sports and that toxicity absolutely harmed Zach Wilson...

[Adoni Beast]

1 hour ago, carlito1171 said:

Been saying this for a while......I know Zach isn't a good QB, but we can win if they call the game to his strengths. It took a leak and a dysfunctional situation for these two bozos Saleh and Hackett to finally open up the playbook and "let it rip"......

It's an indictment of coaching that it took us this long to play to win........Its partly on Zach of course to be competent in what he's asked to do, but still, it's on coaching to put him in position to be successful. I'd argue that didn't happen until yesterday. 

BINGO !!! I think those of us who are saying this are confusing others into saying "SEE ZACH'S AMAZING" no he is not. However, we could have probably won 2-3 more games if we played to his strengths....putting us in wild card contention.

I think this (for now) helps support Hackett a bit and is is damning for Saleh. When did our offense look serviceable and almost good this year?

• After being down 17 to KC and we had to play more aggressively on offense
• Half of the Denver game
• Last 2 minutes against the Giants
• 1st half against Vegas
• Houston

Let them play !

[Flea Flicking Frank]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

BINGO !!! I think those of us who are saying this are confusing others into saying "SEE ZACH'S AMAZING" no he is not. However, we could have probably won 2-3 more games if we played to his strengths....putting us in wild card contention.

I think this (for now) helps support Hackett a bit and is is damning for Saleh. When did our offense look serviceable and almost good this year?

• After being down 17 to KC and we had to play more aggressively on offense
• Half of the Denver game
• Last 2 minutes against the Giants
• 1st half against Vegas
• Houston

Let them play !

exactomundo!!!

[JiFtheOracle]

11 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Most Toxic fan base in all of sports and that toxicity absolutely harmed Zach Wilson...

Do you think that the toxicity of the Jets fan only impacts young QB's?   Garrett Wilson won OROY and Sauce won DROY surrounded by the same toxicity that sunk Zach's career.  Actually, lets use Q.Will and JJ, those are better examples because they were both hated by the fanbase and are now turning out to be phenomenal players.  So just curious if the toxicity is exclusive to the QB position and how we can learn from our mistakes moving forward so we dont ruin the next young QB's career. 

[dbatesman]

Love that we’re right back at “[sh*tty Jets QB] would be good if the coaches would just call the good plays.” It’s like Mark Sanchez never left!

[FidelioJet]

3 minutes ago, JagsFanJif said:

Do you think that the toxicity of the Jets fan only impacts young QB's? 

Yes.  But far more with Zach Wilson than any of the others before him.

Zach was despised by, my best guess, the vocal majority of the fan base - BEFORE he was even drafted.   It was a bizzarre situation that I really hope doesn't carry over to our next QB.

[Plen T]

20 hours ago, jamesr said:

Maybe they told hm to do so before ... and he didn't? 

no way

Bobby Bozo repeatedly told him to play boring

if he could, Robert would win every game 6-3

NO MORE DC'S!

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

^utter nonsense.  The fanbase does not change Zach Wilson's performance on the field.  The game plan does on both sides of the ball. 

They lost Cashman, arguably their most effective LB, early and we watched several of their defensive players get escorted off the field, including the 2023 over #3 pick and then late in the game, Stroud, the 2023 overall #2 pick.  Both Anderson and Stroud and Cashman have joined the MetLife Evil Turf death list..  Texans were playing in a bend/no break defense after Cashman and then Will Anderson were eaten alive by the MetLife turf.  and the subsequent soft defense backfired. 

Zach's family seems to think otherwise, I think it's safe to say Zach was troubled by the way he was treated by the fan base and that affected his play.

This was from last year and Zach should not have been brought back here this year...

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes.  But far more with Zach Wilson than any of the others before him.

Zach was despised by, my best guess, the vocal majority of the fan base - BEFORE he was even drafted.   It was a bizzarre situation that I really hope doesn't carry over to our next QB.

You have a very selective memory. 

[Barry McCockinner]

28 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Most Toxic fan base in all of sports and that toxicity absolutely harmed Zach Wilson...

Do you think the fan base would be toxic if Zach Wilson played like CJ Stroud?

[Hex]

2 hours ago, docdhc said:

If he consistently plays like this for another team it would be the cruelest thing ever for this Jet fan. 

It would, but overall league quality would go up. Very sad for us Jets fans, though. At that point the cursed thing might actually be real.

[rex-n-effect]

I'm not drawing conclusions from one game but if this keeps up, it's a serious indictment of Saleh and his play not to lose game plans. If Saleh gets excited that the team is winning games and tries to go backwards and the team starting losing again, I don't see how you can draw any conclusion other than Saleh is kryptonite to the offense. 

The worse indictment of Saleh right now is watching Flacco a year older with less prep time playing significantly better for the Browns than he did last year. It's like a completely different QB. Either Flacco just hated playing for the Jets and didn't give a sh*t or the coaching staff only knows how to make QBs look bad.

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

I'm not drawing conclusions from one game but if this keeps up, it's a serious indictment of Saleh and his play not to lose game plans. If Saleh gets excited that the team is winning games and tries to go backwards and the team starting losing again, I don't see how you can draw any conclusion other than Saleh is kryptonite to the offense. 

The worse indictment of Saleh right now is watching Flacco a year older with less prep time playing significantly better for the Browns than he did last year. It's like a completely different QB. Either Flacco just hated playing for the Jets and didn't give a sh*t or the coaching staff only knows how to make QBs look bad.

except it's documented that Saleh has been telling this to Zach since September.

[fullblast]

“As a coach you are always like, don’t throw those. For me, it’s throw it when it is there. Trust in it…sometimes bad plays are gonna happen, but that’s football.”

That quote is pretty damning on the coaching staff.

 

 

 

[rex-n-effect]

13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

except it's documented that Saleh has been telling this to Zach since September.

Yeah I saw the discussion about the one comment he made in September. Saying "let it rip" and then calling two runs up the middle on almost every first and second down game over game makes that statement meaningless. 

[Yeetin It]

Nothing to hype Wilson up, but I don’t think that there has been 0 evidence of this. You had the last 2 min and all of overtime in the Giants game. Many parts of the Chiefs game (and a last minute fumble could have taken away a game winning drive). Some of the Broncos and Eagles games.

when the Jets move away from dink and dunk he seems to improve. But the issue with Wilson is consistency. He’s got all the talent, and yes play calling and having players make plays help, and he can absolutely do it with the best of them. But he’s going to have to do it way more frequently if he wants to keep his job. Oh and do it in games that actually matter.

[Larz]

Nania did a piece on this.   Says the play calling didn’t change, it was Zachs attitude, relative to what Saleh said 

 

 

[Barry McCockinner]

5 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Yeah I saw the discussion about the one comment he made in September. Saying "let it rip" and then calling two runs up the middle on almost every first and second down game over game makes that statement meaningless. 

do you have any data to back that up or is it just something you're saying? 

[Larz]

 

[Larz]

 

[Larz]

https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/12/11/ny-jets-play-calling-texans-offense/amp/

[rex-n-effect]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

do you have any data to back that up or is it just something you're saying? 

Literally watching the games this season--unless you think ZW calls those plays as audibles or Hackett is openly defying Saleh with those plays.

[Barry McCockinner]

19 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Literally watching the games this season--unless you think ZW calls those plays as audibles or Hackett is openly defying Saleh with those plays.

I see people say this crap all the time when talking about smaller windows when I know it isn't true so I'm questioning whether it's true over the entire season. If you have no data to back it up I'll just assume you're imagining things.

edit: to be clear, I am not even saying you are wrong, I just don't know that you're right. And without the data, I am not taking your word for it.

[Biggs]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Most Toxic fan base in all of sports and that toxicity absolutely harmed Zach Wilson...

Ass backwards.  Zach has been expossed to the point where his natural immunity will protect him even if he ends up in Philadelphia.