Is Joe Douglas the problem?

[Dunnie]

JD is not at fault .. and Woody will rue not extending him sooner.

This is a coaching/leadership problem.

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[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Just now, Dunnie said:

JD is not at fault .. and Woody will rue not extending him sooner.

This is a coaching/leadership problem.

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I tend to agree 

But the inescapable part is this:

The reaper hired Mr. Clean

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

This might not age well after all 🥲

[Dunnie]

I tend to agree 
But the inescapable part is this:
The reaper hired Mr. Clean

True

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[TuscanyTile2]

8 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Comport?  I think you're taking it the wrong way.  It's a long season.  It will be filled with ups and downs.  I am not a Saleh apologist.  I didn't want him in the first place.  Didn't want Rodgers or Wilson either.  They are here now.  They are not going anywhere until our fate is sealed for the year.  I think ranting that the team was unprepared and undisciplined when they played in sh*tty weather, with an extremely tight officiating crew and had horrid field position all day is a bit much.  Every game I have watched I have seen teams look unprepared and undisciplined.  The swing when we win in London is going to be so ******* fast I don't know how you guys don't get vertigo. 

 

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The swing when we win in London is going to be so ******* fast I don't know how you guys don't get vertigo. 

I could absolutely see it happening and, tbh, think it will. 

Otoh, I could also see the game (and, thus, the season) get ugly.  It's going to be a fascinating game next week.

[batman10023]

On 9/29/2024 at 5:33 PM, Hael said:

We have a ton of talent.  But this type of game isn’t won with talent.   This is a typical hard nosed NFL game, in the elements, where it usually comes down to a few plays here and there.   The type that the Patriots in their dynasty used to win every single time.  

This game was about mistakes, lack of veteran leadership (other than Rogers) and our playmakers simply not making that one ‘killer’ play to end things.

So its hard to know who to blame, but Saleh and the coaching staff definitely shares a lot of blame.  But ultimately I blame the core of our team.. THe Quinnen Williams, Sauce, GW etc who simply didn’t get it done.

Didn’t need a killer play.  Just punching it in from the 1.  Would have changed game completely 

[batman10023]

10 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

This might not age well after all 🥲

You spend a lot of time on this board.  Are you the giant fan?

[GregButtleFan]

Joe Douglas hired Robert Saleh. If coaching is not truly the weak point he’s very much at fault. 

[DonCorleone]

His record is 26-58 speaks by itself. You cannot escape math. 

[JKlecko]

On 9/30/2024 at 7:26 AM, Irish Jet said:

Yeah that really didn’t show up on the field though. This is the issue with Douglas - An offseason champion, a loser of games. 

Our “much better” WR’s weren’t separating.

Their defence dominated our “much better” offensive line.

Certainly more than our “much better” defensive front dominated theirs.

Poor coaching aside we still weren’t exactly winning our individual battles either. Denver are rebuilding team whose highest paid player is a backup QB in Pittsburgh. The Jets are all in for a Superbowl.

We certainly should  be much better than Denver but maybe Douglas’ roster isn’t as good as you think it is. He is a hack.

This post is nonsensical.  How is it JD's fault that the CS isn't getting the team prepared and putting them in a position to succeed?  How is it JD's fault that Hackett's play calling is predictable and his personnel groupings a joke.  How is it JD's fault that Carter isn't doing his job well.  I don't what in the heck he is doing, but he has T. Smith playing the worst he has ever played in his career.  It's the offensive scheme, or blocking scheme.  Saying that he isn't comfortable like Saleh did is ridiculous.

NFL and media analysts have pretty much all said that the Jets should be a SB contender and that they have one of the best and most-talented rosters in the NFL.  The fact that you think you know better is laughable!

[SoFlaJets]

On 9/30/2024 at 9:49 AM, nj meadowlands said:

In the Joe Douglas era the Jets have now won exactly once every three games.

Since the last playoff game on January 23rd 2011 against the Pittsburgh Steelers the Jets have gone 77-134 with 0 ZERO playoff games with only one winning season the disappointing 10-6 Ryan Fitzpatrick dud of 2015

[mfmartin]

This post is nonsensical.  How is it JD's fault that the CS isn't getting the team prepared and putting them in a position to succeed?  How is it JD's fault that Hackett's play calling is predictable and his personnel groupings a joke.  How is it JD's fault that Carter isn't doing his job well.  I don't what in the heck he is doing, but he has T. Smith playing the worst he has ever played in his career.  It's the offensive scheme, or blocking scheme.  Saying that he isn't comfortable like Saleh did is ridiculous.
NFL and media analysts have pretty much all said that the Jets should be a SB contender and that they have one of the best and most-talented rosters in the NFL.  The fact that you think you know better is laughable!

He hired the coach.

[hmhertz]

33 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

He hired the coach.

 

and sat by as imcompetent assistants were chosan

[Bleedin Green]

3 hours ago, hmhertz said:

and sat by as imcompetent assistants were chosan

JD actually had his hands all over the assistants as well, considering it was widely reported at the time that Saleh was forced to fire LaFleur, after which Hackett was brought in to recruit Rodgers.

[Green Ghost]

He certainly hasn’t been the solution.

[JKlecko]

11 hours ago, mfmartin said:

 

He hired the coach.

 

Yes, he hired Saleh, but when you hire a HC, you can't tell how he is going to do, and you can only hire from among those who are available.

[mfmartin]

Yes, he hired Saleh, but when you hire a HC, you can't tell how he is going to do, and you can only hire from among those who are available.

what kind of garbage reasoning is this? Joe Douglas oversees the entire football operations and people act like he makes little boo boos.

If I told you at the end of the 2019 that it would be 5 years later and we still haven’t sniffed the winning percentage, everyone would say that’s unacceptable but somehow people just slide off any criticism of Douglas.

44% of the nfl makes the playoffs. Asking for that result in the period of a 6 year contract isn’t too much to ask.

[JKlecko]

1 minute ago, mfmartin said:

 

what kind of garbage reasoning is this? Joe Douglas oversees the entire football operations and people act like he makes little boo boos.

If I told you at the end of the 2019 that it would be 5 years later and we still haven’t sniffed the winning percentage, everyone would say that’s unacceptable but somehow people just slide off any criticism of Douglas.

44% of the nfl makes the playoffs. Asking for that result in the period of a 6 year contract isn’t too much to ask.

 

Call it what you like, but imo it's not garbage reasoning.  We all know how Woody meddles with this team.  We have no clue what Woody has ordered JD to do and what not to do.

I've criticized JD plenty.  I never wanted Saleh in the first place.  I criticized that hire. I criticized JD's total handling of the drafting and aborted development of Zach. That was a total cluster****.  When he makes a mistake, it's a big one, but he's done far more good than bad and he has added a ton of talent to this team.  He's done well with the draft, FA and the cap.  He changed how the scouts evaluate prospects.  He's had some tough luck with injuries and FAs underperforming, but  their underperforming could definitely be laid at the feet of the CS.  It's the GM's job to acquire talent, and the CS's job to develop players and put them in a position to succeed.

[Gio-Jets]

It’s difficult because on one hand he’s made a very competitive roster (taken him five years to be fair) and if you look solely at the talent we have the results aren’t good enough and that’s on the coaches. 
 

On the other hand he’s continually ****ed up on the biggest decisions. Head coach and quarterback are so important to get right and he’s dropped the ball.

Would  I give him the decision to bring in the next HC and possibly the next QB? Probably not. 

[JKlecko]

11 hours ago, hmhertz said:

and sat by as imcompetent assistants were chosan

That's absurd, Henry.  If JD, had interfered with Saleh's choices for his CS, that would have had them at enmity from day one and not working together on the same page.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

On 10/1/2024 at 6:52 PM, batman10023 said:

You spend a lot of time on this board.  Are you the giant fan?

Thats a random question, but no I hate Giants.

Why would I be here if I was, and what does Kenneth Walker have to do with the Giants 

[mfmartin]

Call it what you like, but imo it's not garbage reasoning.  We all know how Woody meddles with this team.  We have no clue what Woody has ordered JD to do and what not to do.
I've criticized JD plenty.  I never wanted Saleh in the first place.  I criticized that hire. I criticized JD's total handling of the drafting and aborted development of Zach. That was a total cluster****.  When he makes a mistake, it's a big one, but he's done far more good than bad and he has added a ton of talent to this team.  He's done well with the draft, FA and the cap.  He changed how the scouts evaluate prospects.  He's had some tough luck with injuries and FAs underperforming, but  their underperforming could definitely be laid at the feet of the CS.  It's the GM's job to acquire talent, and the CS's job to develop players and put them in a position to succeed.

He’s done well with the cap? He has 52 million in dead money from guys who are not here. His record is at a Matt Millen level. Don’t tell me he can’t be judged on wins and losses. If the senior most level person in organization isn’t responsible for the product on the field, then who is? Also stop blaming the boogeyman Woody when Douglas messes up something. It’s a tired narrative

[mfmartin]

Call it what you like, but imo it's not garbage reasoning.  We all know how Woody meddles with this team.  We have no clue what Woody has ordered JD to do and what not to do.
I've criticized JD plenty.  I never wanted Saleh in the first place.  I criticized that hire. I criticized JD's total handling of the drafting and aborted development of Zach. That was a total cluster****.  When he makes a mistake, it's a big one, but he's done far more good than bad and he has added a ton of talent to this team.  He's done well with the draft, FA and the cap.  He changed how the scouts evaluate prospects.  He's had some tough luck with injuries and FAs underperforming, but  their underperforming could definitely be laid at the feet of the CS.  It's the GM's job to acquire talent, and the CS's job to develop players and put them in a position to succeed.

“Laid at the feet of the CS” My brother, he hired the fn coaching staff


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[UntouchableCrew]

Joe Douglas has been up and down and his mismanagement of the QB and OL positions has been poor but the roster is much more talented today than when he took over. Coaching and QB play have been the thing holding back the team overall.

[JKlecko]

1 hour ago, mfmartin said:

 

“Laid at the feet of the CS” My brother, he hired the fn coaching staff


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No, he didn't.  He hired Saleh.  Saleh hired the CS.  It would be foolish for a GM to not accept the assistant coaches and coordinators that the HC wants to hire or to try to tell him whom he must hire.  That would immediately ruin the relationship between the two.

[jeremy2020]

9 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

No, he didn't.  He hired Saleh.  Saleh hired the CS.  It would be foolish for a GM to not accept the assistant coaches and coordinators that the HC wants to hire or to try to tell him whom he must hire.  That would immediately ruin the relationship between the two.

Chris Grier chose the Dolphins defensive coordinator in 2022 when he hired Mike McDaniel. The most recent reports are that they have excellent working relationship.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

On 10/1/2024 at 8:41 AM, Dunnie said:

JD is not at fault .. and Woody will rue not extending him sooner.

This is a coaching/leadership problem.

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He's now failed with 2 separate coaches, 2 young QBs and a HoF QB all while having a record worse than idzik or Macc.

I think we will be just fine moving on.

Like what's the downside? We will still suck and not make the playoff? It's year 6.

[faba]

Easy answer he has wiffed on the most important position QB -no coming over the mistakes at QB