MY WISH LIST FOR THE 2007 SEASON

[Preston Howley III]

The Jets need to address the Defense.

Chad P is what he is.. He won't win you games and you hope he won't turn the ball over, even though he did that frequently this year.

So the Jets front office needs to build one of the best defenses in the league.. Plain and simple.

As great as Brady is, he's won because of his Defense. He played avg in his first SB, but because of Adam V and that defense, they beat the heavily favored offensive Rams.

The Colts with Manning have always had a great offense, yet they give up 30 points in the playoffs and wind up losing.. Yeah Manning may choke, but without a defense, it's hard to constantly have to score points.

When your defense allows about 14-15 per game over the past 6 years, your offense doesn't have to do as much and the QB does not need to throw 4 TDs to win.

Chad P won't be a guy who throws 4 TDs in a game. For him to win and for this Jets team to win, the defense needs to allow about 14 points per game.

It makes it an entirely different game if you score 20 points and expect to win every time.

Pearl Jam, welcome to the board.

what do you think of Robertson and Vilma? I wasn't too impressed with either one early on, but I think Robertson has started to come around. I'd still like to see if Pouha or Pope are still in Mangini's plans.

[Bugg]

We cant lose Vilma he is the brains of the defense... it would be a HUGE step back to lose that

YOur "brains" doesn't ovverrun Tom Brady when a sack rather than trying to wipe him out would do the job just fine. What Spermie said about the 1st down marker is laso very true.

[Lil Bit Special]

Sperm... I like your list... I dont necessarily agree with everything, but I think Pennington is just not good enough to make it to the Superbowl. I love Chad (no homo)but if we want to win a superbowl, we have to make difficult decisions and leave emotion about players out of it. Is Clemens the answer? I dont know. But if we can upgrade at QB then we need to make the move.

[Preston Howley III]

YOur "brains" doesn't ovverrun Tom Brady when a sack rather than trying to wipe him out would do the job just fine. What Spermie said about the 1st down marker is laso very true.

Remember when the Jets leading tackler every year was Victor Green? I'm not sure if that has anything to do with Vilma and his tackles, but...

[Barton]

1. Bench Chad.

2. Rookies need to add some bulk. \

3. Get a stud CB.

4. Kickoffs.

5. ILB/OLB

6. DL

7. FB

8. Right side of the OL

9. TE

1. All I am gonna say is, it better be an open QB competition in camp, I dont give a sh#t if that hurts Chads feelings

2. Absolutely, but Leon will never be a #1 back jmho.

3. Amen. Nate Clements, please.

4. I think Nuge will continue to improve in this area.

5. Barton, as much as I like him, isnt that 3-4 ILB type. We need a masher in there. Vilma wont and cannot be traded, he's the defensive leader and I think Mangini really likes him in that role. Plus, Mangini will face a locker room of players pissed off at him if he trades vilma, cant do it......As for OLB, Hobson has got to leave this role, he's too short and gets mauled by tight ends in the run game, and once blockers get a hand on him he gets nothing in the pass rush game. I'd consider a guy like Adalius Thomas here too.....

6. Kimo has to go, plain and simple. I'd love to get a guy like Alan Branch and put him at RDE. Maybe in FA, a guy like Terdell Sands could be an answer.

7. Yeah, I think Stacey Tutt could be the guy here.

8. Both Clement and Moore have to go. They both suck.

9. Baker is fine I think, maybe a guy like Greg Olsen in the draft should he slip

[BP]

How many times did the patsys throw the ball down the field today? How many 77 Yard TD's did they have? This idea that we can't win with chad is BS. We can't win because we have no running game and can't stop the run or pressure the passer. The jets need to get a good starting RB along with 2 new guards and a big run blocking RT. they also need to add bulk up front on D and speed outside in a guy like thomas or briggs to be able to get pressure on these QB's. Lack of any sustained pass rush is the reason that POS's like Gafney and Brown hurt the jets today.

*sigh*get over your man love for Pennington and put the team first..for once..he can not bring the team back when faced with obvious passing situations..and I am sick of the ****ing dink and dunk ****..you are giving Pennington praise for a YAC 77 yd TD??

You should go to www.ILOVECHADPENNINGTON.COM and post until your hearts content!!

[madmike1]

*sigh*get over your man love for Pennington and put the team first..for once..he can not bring the team back when faced with obvious passing situations..and I am sick of the ****ing dink and dunk ****..you are giving Pennington praise for a YAC 77 yd TD??

You should go to www.ILOVECHADPENNINGTON.COM and post until your hearts content!!

You should go to www.iknownothingaboutfootball.com if you think Chad was the reason the jets lost today with the way the Running D, Running game and pass rush preformed.

How many QB's are capable of winning playoff games with zero running game whatsoever? Not many. Even Manning needed the running game to bail him out yesterday. Chad never has that luxury.

[GimmeShelter]

You should go to www.iknownothingaboutfootball.com if you think Chad was the reason the jets lost today with the way the Running D, Running game and pass rush preformed.

How many QB's are capable of winning playoff games with zero running game whatsoever? Not many. Even Manning needed the running game to bail him out yesterday. Chad never has that luxury.

You're right Mike but remember BP comes from the Patsfantx tree so save your breath.

[Barton]

You should go to www.iknownothingaboutfootball.com if you think Chad was the reason the jets lost today with the way the Running D, Running game and pass rush preformed.

How many QB's are capable of winning playoff games with zero running game whatsoever? Not many. Even Manning needed the running game to bail him out yesterday. Chad never has that luxury.

Look, just because he wasnt the reason we lost doesnt mean he wasnt the reason we didnt win.

We came away with too many FGs in the redzone, it killed us. Bottom line.

[GimmeShelter]

Look, just because he wasnt the reason we lost doesnt mean he wasnt the reason we didnt win.

We came away with too many FGs in the redzone, it killed us. Bottom line.

NE gets in the redzone we have to defend the run AND pass......Jets get in the redzone , noone worries about our backs busting off a 15 yarder.

That's the difference.

[BP]

You should go to www.iknownothingaboutfootball.com if you think Chad was the reason the jets lost today with the way the Running D, Running game and pass rush preformed.

How many QB's are capable of winning playoff games with zero running game whatsoever? Not many. Even Manning needed the running game to bail him out yesterday. Chad never has that luxury.

I didn't blame Chad..I said we need a new QB among a few other things..take the blinders off..I see you go to that site regularly..stop with the man love and look at the big picture..

[madmike1]

Look, just because he wasnt the reason we lost doesnt mean he wasnt the reason we didnt win.

We came away with too many FGs in the redzone, it killed us. Bottom line.

If you can't run the ball it's almost impossible to score in the red zone vs a good D. If you have a running game that other teams needs to respect then you can PA and i think that even the chad haters can agree that he's as good a ballfaker as there is in the NFL. The lack of a running game completely takes that skill of his off the table.

[The Troll]

1. Bench Chad.

Start Clemens, pick up someone else if he's that bad, but do something. I'm sick of the fear-of-worse. I'm sick of having little to no shot at overcoming a 2-TD deficit. I'm sick of seeing too many trick plays & WR screens & check-downs b/c our QB can't throw it even moderately deep without 10 yards of separation in single-coverage between the WR & the CB. I'm sick of our receivers having to worry about getting their clocks cleaned on every pass b/c of the floaters.

Basically I'm sick of usually-ok-to-pretty-good from Mr. Regular-Season.

Forget all the efficiency stats & such. And even the grit & heart & soul & hard work & smarts & other intangibles. Those things are GREAT if you've got them in someone who's physically gifted. Otherwise they just serve to mask deficiencies elsewhere & the overall product is still an average one.

He just doesn't put up enough points & is too easy to gameplan against by the types of good defenses that we'll have to beat to win a superbowl.

2. Rookies need to add some bulk.

Leon & D'Brick I'm looking in your general directions. If Leon can't, then we need another option; someone with some power who's not slower than Vinny.

3. Get a stud CB.

Dyson was excellent this year, but he other side was lacking big-time. Whatever one's opinion of Clements or Samuel, either one is a HUGE upgrade over what we've got. Worth the money for such a big hole. Don't look at the total passing yards or stats - look with your eyes at the ease with which 3rd-downs seem to be converted in big situations.

4. Kickoffs.

As amazing as Nugent has been on his FG's, he's been equally hideous on KO's. You don't just drop a money FG kicker, which he's turning into. But we've got 3 options: he either fixes this problem himself, Graham learns to do it, or we have to use an active roster spot every week for a KO specialist. You simply can't spot the opposition that many yards to start a drive.

5. ILB/OLB

I'm through saying Vilma's mediocre in this scheme. He's outright below average for a 3-4 ILB. He's puny. He gets blown out of the play by mediocre OG's. He makes tackles, but they're too often after the first-down marker. He still tries to run around blockers b/c he himself knows he's too small to engage them.

Now, he could put on an extra 10-15 lbs, but then he'd be slow. Besides, we have better options. Trade him to a 4-3 team DESPERATE for a durable MLB who can make plays (Carolina, etc). Don't knock his trade value - 115 tackles this year and his cap # is around $1M/yr for 2 years to anyone who acquires him. We should get a mid-first rounder at a minimum. We took him at #12 not knowing (for sure) if he'd be a bust. Surely someone would give up the same now that he's everything we thought he would be (& was even a pro-bowler by his 2nd season).

Put Hobson inside. He's MUCH better against the run than Vilma & doesn't get dragged by runners until help arrives nearly as much. Get a FA OLB (A.Thomas, etc) with the speed to get to the QB better than Hobson who really doesn't have real QB-pressure speed.

6. DL

Ellis is going nowhere because of his contract.

DRob is going nowhere for 2007 and not staying in 2008 for the same reason.

That being said, try to groom someone more ideally suited for NT. Maybe it's one of our two IR guys; maybe it's a FA; maybe it's a surprise draftee.

And DE goes without saying. My ideal is if we can snag Carriker in round 2. Otherwise find some other option b/c KVO/BH are lousy.

7. FB

Askew is no blocker. No detail is needed here. Draft one; find one in FA; trade for one; see if that Pociask kid is any good. Just anything other than what we've got.

8. Right side of the OL

Clemens & Moore were pretty good at times. Basically they're great backups. Neither is a mauler blocker for the run. Neither is a particularly good pass-blocker.

Moore is already locked up long-term at a great contract for the team. He goes nowhere. Clement should be retained if we can get him for backup money.

Find a real OG in FA to start for '07. There are a few outstanding ones available. Draft one to replace Kendall in '08 or so. RT - depends on what's available to us in FA or the draft. I wouldn't cry if we took Levi or Blaylock in round one, even if it's unglamorous again.

9. TE

I'd like an upgrade over Baker, but I consider all of the above to be more important. If a Tony Gonzalez becomes available, then grab him if the price is not insane. Or if a highly-touted rookie prospect falls a round or two later than expected. Baker is so-so & in the presence of other improvements I think we can get by with so-so at this position. Or maybe a FA like Dan Graham or Eric Johnson (though he hasn't been the most reliable injury-wise). Cap room is something we definitely have & TE's aren't usually that expensive so we can go FA here.

I agree with pretty much that entire post. Another gem from Mr. Edwards: POTW nom.

Only thing I would change is that I believe we must bring in another running back, whether in the draft, via trade, or in free agency.

[#27TheDominator]

Sperm's list is okay, but I disagree with the order. I'm fine with Barton's desire for an open qb competition, but replacing Chad for the sake of change is at least as dumb as "fear of change." Sperm is dead on about his problems being 2 tds down in the 4th quarter. That is exactly why he threw the pick, but most qbs are in that boat.

I also have no idea why you think that Leon should bulk up, but that Vilma can't add 10 lbs cause it will kill his quickness. Vilma's quickness is meaningless in comparison to Leon's.

A big run stuffing NT would be nice, but as has been beaten to death here, there aren't many around. I'm a big Robertson fan, but they need a rotation, I don't see how we can expect the guy to hold up for 4 quarters, especially since his problem is being undersized. Somebody mentioned Pope, the guy is gone. Out of football all year. I'm not holding my breath on Pouha, but maybe Tui will be okay. He showed a little in camp/preseason.

#1 They need a reasonable DE to play opposite Ellis. Maybe 2 reasonable DEs. They should have a couple of guys in camp that should get roster spots at DE.

#2 They need some RBs. Somebody that might crack the rotation. Houston showed some promise, but he is hurt constantly. There are Barlow and Blaylock's spots. Those should be up for grabs and we should have some promising young meat in to compete.

#3 A top cover cb. Samuel, Clements whoever. I don't think our corners are bad, but I like having good cover corners that free you up to blitz like crazy when you want without exposing say a David Barrett out there.

#4 Another solid OT to hopefully upgrade Clements spot, though I won't be horrified to have him back. OG would be a nice place to add some bodies, but they also have Teague to compete there as well.

Trading Vilma for a mid to high 1st round pick is okay with me, but I'm not so sure it'll be that easy to pull off. I would keep him before I'd take anything less.

[#27TheDominator]

Look, just because he wasnt the reason we lost doesnt mean he wasnt the reason we didnt win.

We came away with too many FGs in the redzone, it killed us. Bottom line.

I agree we should try to upgrade every position and have open competition at each. Chad is part of the reason that we can't get tds in the red zone, but our total inability to run hurt more

[gsnts725]

Sperm's list is okay, but I disagree with the order. I'm fine with Barton's desire for an open qb competition, but replacing Chad for the sake of change is at least as dumb as "fear of change." Sperm is dead on about his problems being 2 tds down in the 4th quarter. That is exactly why he threw the pick, but most qbs are in that boat.

I also have no idea why you think that Leon should bulk up, but that Vilma can't add 10 lbs cause it will kill his quickness. Vilma's quickness is meaningless in comparison to Leon's.

A big run stuffing NT would be nice, but as has been beaten to death here, there aren't many around. I'm a big Robertson fan, but they need a rotation, I don't see how we can expect the guy to hold up for 4 quarters, especially since his problem is being undersized. Somebody mentioned Pope, the guy is gone. Out of football all year. I'm not holding my breath on Pouha, but maybe Tui will be okay. He showed a little in camp/preseason.

#1 They need a reasonable DE to play opposite Ellis. Maybe 2 reasonable DEs. They should have a couple of guys in camp that should get roster spots at DE.

#2 They need some RBs. Somebody that might crack the rotation. Houston showed some promise, but he is hurt constantly. There are Barlow and Blaylock's spots. Those should be up for grabs and we should have some promising young meat in to compete.

#3 A top cover cb. Samuel, Clements whoever. I don't think our corners are bad, but I like having good cover corners that free you up to blitz like crazy when you want without exposing say a David Barrett out there.

#4 Another solid OT to hopefully upgrade Clements spot, though I won't be horrified to have him back. OG would be a nice place to add some bodies, but they also have Teague to compete there as well.

Trading Vilma for a mid to high 1st round pick is okay with me, but I'm not so sure it'll be that easy to pull off. I would keep him before I'd take anything less.

#1 - Moses and Thomas =]

#2 - Turner or Lynch and/or even Leonard? =o

#3 - i agree but i would love to have clements

#4 - i agree

[BP]

You're right Mike but remember BP comes from the Patsfantx tree so save your breath.

Heh..Pennington man love is blooming

[pjam76]

I don't buy the excuse about Chad P not having a running game.. He had the leading rusher in the playoffs a couple seasons ago and for all intensive purposes, it was the defense that almost took them to the AFC Championship game, not Chad and not that offense who couldn't score back then.

The offense and Chad P have struggled against the better teams for years.. He will make a play or two, but it always seems he makes mental mistakes at the wrong time. Smart guy maybe, but a guy who seems to get nervous at the wrong times.

They need to concentrate on defense... Allowing 100 yards in the first half of a playoff game is a joke.. YOu don't win many games doing that.. Allowing Brady to methodically drive down the field for almost 8 minutes to end a half is a joke.

Yeah the Pats are good, but the Pats have never been the Colts on offense.

This defense has to improve.. Yeah they improved as the season went on, but then again, when you play the Dolphins, Raiders, Texans, and so on it's hard not to.

Against the Bills, that defense was destroyed.

For me, if Chad P can stay healthy and he's the best QB they have, which he is as of now, CLemmons didn't start for a reason this season. Heck even today he wasn't even the backup QB anymore. Ramsey was.

Who knows if Clemmons has shown anything in practice and so on.

So with Chad P at the helm, the defense needs to become a top 5 defense with depth. Otherwise, Chad P won't lead this team to the promised land.... As of right now, I don't buy Clemmons will either.

[Sharrow]

I'm not saying we should do it, but I dont see how the Panthers could turn down Vilma for their first pick.

[GimmeShelter]

Heh..Pennington man love is blooming

Says the guy who joins the board while TX is on a timeout from JI.

[madmike1]

I'm not saying we should do it, but I dont see how the Panthers could turn down Vilma for their first pick.

Yeah so we could send him there and watch him make pro bowl after pro bowl for 10 years? no thanks.

[pjam76]

Vilma, while not great, has his moments. You don't trade him for the 17th pick in the draft.... What will that do, bring in a player that might take a few years to develop.

THe Jets have been doing that for years. Get rid of their more talented players and in all honesty, get nothing in return.

Great, meaning it'll be another 40 years before the Jets ever win.

[The Troll]

Yeah so we could send him there and watch him make pro bowl after pro bowl for 10 years? no thanks.

What does it matter what he does with another team?

He ain't making the Pro Bowl in a 3-4, so we might as well get something good for him while we still can.

[madmike1]

What does it matter what he does with another team?

He ain't making the Pro Bowl in a 3-4, so we might as well get something good for him while we still can.

He will be fine if we get another big DE who can keep guards off him...

[BP]

Says the guy who joins the board while TX is on a timeout from JI.

In May??

[uart]

We cant lose Vilma he is the brains of the defense... it would be a HUGE step back to lose that

Would it help to move Vilma to OLB? He's still got a lot of talent.

[Sperm Edwards]

Good replies (mostly).

Re: Vilma:

No one is doubting Vilma's talent & certainly not what he's got from the neck-up. It's just how well his skill set (and size) translates to the 3-4. We should be able to get more than the #17 pick by itself, I agree. He has more value than that. I don't fear bringing in another player "to develop" b/c in this defense Vilma has a lot of developing to do himself.

But in the end one needs to ask what will have the bigger impact on winning football games - option A (Vilma) or option B (what we could get for him & replace him with). I don't think I'd rather have Vilma (who we're likely not going to re-sign after '08) in the 3-4 than sliding Hobson over (or finding a FA ILB) plus an extra pick for a Marshawn Lynch-type who'll be signed through at least 2011. He'll be worth more $ to another team in the 4-3 than us, so it's unlikely we'll be the highest bidder. Captain of the defense notwithstanding, he doesn't make enough plays & gets taken out of too many too easily.

Re: Chad

I think people equate what I said re Chad with a belief that he is absolutely awful. I don't; I just think the whole package with him is mediocre. Too mediocre to win a superbowl with him. I think he limits the offense & requires too many consecutive 3rd-down conversions. Fine if we're taking over on the 50-yd line, but once-a-month (if that) plays like Cotchery's 77-yd TD aside, if we take over on our own 20-25 we are not getting a TD (unless we're playing a team like the Lions or Packers). And something inside me feels that Coles is more capable of running more than half his routes as 7-yd curl-patterns.

For all the "intangibles" that he allegedly has, Chad doesn't have the intangible of sensing pressure & doesn't slide around in the pocket well at all to buy himself & his receivers some precious extra seconds. He needs an awful lot of time to scan over his reads so we can't have him in a 5-step drop without an impervious OL. Meanwhile the pocket collapses & instead of buying some extra time he stands there & takes a sack.

Being better than a dozen other QB's doesn't make him good enough to win a superbowl. It just means there are a dozen teams where we don't have a disadvantage at QB.

And I do trust Mangini. But Chad being the best option in 2006 among a trio of himself, Patrick Ramsey, and a (possibly underachieving) rookie doesn't mean he thinks Chad is the cat's meow of NFL QB's.

Ramsey should be cut & bring in someone who could truly compete for the starting job.

[TaborJet]

Re: Chad

I think people equate what I said re Chad with a belief that he is absolutely awful. I don't; I just think the whole package with him is mediocre. Too mediocre to win a superbowl with him. I think he limits the offense & requires too many consecutive 3rd-down conversions. Fine if we're taking over on the 50-yd line, but once-a-month (if that) plays like Cotchery's 77-yd TD aside, if we take over on our own 20-25 we are not getting a TD (unless we're playing a team like the Lions or Packers). And something inside me feels that Coles is more capable of running more than half his routes as 7-yd curl-patterns.

For all the "intangibles" that he allegedly has, Chad doesn't have the intangible of sensing pressure & doesn't slide around in the pocket well at all to buy himself & his receivers some precious extra seconds. He needs an awful lot of time to scan over his reads so we can't have him in a 5-step drop without an impervious OL. Meanwhile the pocket collapses & instead of buying some extra time he stands there & takes a sack.

Being better than a dozen other QB's doesn't make him good enough to win a superbowl. It just means there are a dozen teams where we don't have a disadvantage at QB.

And I do trust Mangini. But Chad being the best option in 2006 among a trio of himself, Patrick Ramsey, and a (possibly underachieving) rookie doesn't mean he thinks Chad is the cat's meow of NFL QB's.

Ramsey should be cut & bring in someone who could truly compete for the starting job.

Sperm,

I agree on most of this.

I think Chad is a system QB. We all know he isn't lights-out. The poor guy just needs a legitimate running back. How effective is any Qb in a one-dimentional offense? When your change-of-pace back is your starter, you have a problem. Leon Washington is a great athlete, but his best trait would be to come in late in the game, after an opposing D is tired from a heavy dose of a good starting RB. Line up Cedric Houston behind any QB for 60 minutes, and that QB will struggle, too.

The offense yesterday, and all season, has been one-dimentional. Chad couldn't use his best weapon, the play-action, because there is never an esatblished running game.

All I'm saying is Chad really isn't the problem here.

[Sperm Edwards]

Sperm,

I agree on most of this.

I think Chad is a system QB. We all know he isn't lights-out. The poor guy just needs a legitimate running back. How effective is any Qb in a one-dimentional offense? When your change-of-pace back is your starter, you have a problem. Leon Washington is a great athlete, but his best trait would be to come in late in the game, after an opposing D is tired from a heavy dose of a good starting RB. Line up Cedric Houston behind any QB for 60 minutes, and that QB will struggle, too.

The offense yesterday, and all season, has been one-dimentional. Chad couldn't use his best weapon, the play-action, because there is never an esatblished running game.

All I'm saying is Chad really isn't the problem here.

Fair enough. Whether it's a better RB or better RB production, I agree. I think our RB production is a symptom of more than 1 thing like "just bring in a super-stud" which is easier said than done.

Sure - bring in a better all-around RB if one is clearly available. But it's a good thing people didn't start calling for a different RB than Tomlinson when he finished his own rookie season with a horrible 3.6ypc and sub-par 6.2ypr. I don't know what Leon's capable of. Maybe he is only a change-of-pace back & maybe he could end up like a Tiki Barber without the mouth. Houston is a fine #3 RB. He'll have a good run here & there but it's no crime to come to grips with a 6th-round pick from 2004 not being "it"

for us.

So bring in Marshawn Lynch. Bring in Michael Turner. Bring in Michael Bush. Trade Vilma & the next 3 yrs' 1st-round picks to get Adrian Peterson. Whatever. The thing is most likely none will put up premiere production with piss-poor run blocking. Not just any one person b/c it's all additive. D'Brick is too light. While he's not the weakest link, so is Kendall. Moore & Clement are both below average NFL starters. Baker is an avg blocker; not a liability, but not an asset blocking like Brady/Becht were. Askew is not even a so-so blocker for a FB. It's all of that put together. So while I'd love to have the next top-5 type RB, these other things will need to be addressed anyway.

[KSJets]

Fair enough. Whether it's a better RB or better RB production, I agree. I think our RB production is a symptom of more than 1 thing like "just bring in a super-stud" which is easier said than done.

Sure - bring in a better all-around RB if one is clearly available. But it's a good thing people didn't start calling for a different RB than Tomlinson when he finished his own rookie season with a horrible 3.6ypc and sub-par 6.2ypr. I don't know what Leon's capable of. Maybe he is only a change-of-pace back & maybe he could end up like a Tiki Barber without the mouth. Houston is a fine #3 RB. He'll have a good run here & there but it's no crime to come to grips with a 6th-round pick from 2004 not being "it"

for us.

So bring in Marshawn Lynch. Bring in Michael Turner. Bring in Michael Bush. Trade Vilma & the next 3 yrs' 1st-round picks to get Adrian Peterson. Whatever. The thing is most likely none will put up premiere production with piss-poor run blocking. Not just any one person b/c it's all additive. D'Brick is too light. While he's not the weakest link, so is Kendall. Moore & Clement are both below average NFL starters. Baker is an avg blocker; not a liability, but not an asset blocking like Brady/Becht were. Askew is not even a so-so blocker for a FB. It's all of that put together. So while I'd love to have the next top-5 type RB, these other things will need to be addressed anyway.

They need to get D'Brick over to Mangini's house for some good old fashioned home cooking. He needs to bulk up. I've never seen an offensive lineman that actually looks skinny...lol. Along with Kendall, our entire left side was under 300 lbs. Mangold is right at 300 and I think Moore is 305. We need to add more bulk to our OL, and definitely more strength because we really don't get much push. Our lineman have good technique, but there are two types of defenses that give them fits: really fast ones and really big ones. The only defenses our OL seem to excel against are the ones that they are pretty much equal to in terms of size and strength. That allows their technique to win out. When facing much larger and quicker DL's, their technique isn't enough to compensate.

[Sperm Edwards]

They need to get D'Brick over to Mangini's house for some good old fashioned home cooking. He needs to bulk up. I've never seen an offensive lineman that actually looks skinny...lol. Along with Kendall, our entire left side was under 300 lbs. Mangold is right at 300 and I think Moore is 305. We need to add more bulk to our OL, and definitely more strength because we really don't get much push. Our lineman have good technique, but there are two types of defenses that give them fits: really fast ones and really big ones. The only defenses our OL seem to excel against are the ones that they are pretty much equal to in terms of size and strength. That allows their technique to win out. When facing much larger and quicker DL's, their technique isn't enough to compensate.

lol. What, they don't eat bread in the Ferguson house?

He'll be fine next year. Better than fine. Being a rookie LT is tough enough without having to learn how to carry around extra weight & simultaneously make it through like 20 games (including pre-season & post-season).

[LionelRichie]

So bring in Marshawn Lynch. Bring in Michael Turner. Bring in Michael Bush. Trade Vilma & the next 3 yrs' 1st-round picks to get Adrian Peterson. Whatever. The thing is most likely none will put up premiere production with piss-poor run blocking. Not just any one person b/c it's all additive.

you can't arbitrarily trade vilma. give him at least 1 more year to see what type of progress he makes. don't forget that he is being mauled by guards who should be occupied with the NG. to me the most glaring difference b/w the Pats 3-4 and the jets 3-4 was the size of the front 7. the jets need to get much bigger up front before they can have a dominant Defense. the D this year was all smoke and mirrors with blitzes, they could not line up against anyone this year and play straight up.

[Bugg]

The goal-

Super Bowl XLII, Glendale, Ariz. -- Feb. 3, 2008

[Bugg]

"Re: Chad

I think people equate what I said re Chad with a belief that he is absolutely awful. I don't; I just think the whole package with him is mediocre. Too mediocre to win a superbowl with him. I think he limits the offense & requires too many consecutive 3rd-down conversions. Fine if we're taking over on the 50-yd line, but once-a-month (if that) plays like Cotchery's 77-yd TD aside, if we take over on our own 20-25 we are not getting a TD (unless we're playing a team like the Lions or Packers). And something inside me feels that Coles is more capable of running more than half his routes as 7-yd curl-patterns.

For all the "intangibles" that he allegedly has, Chad doesn't have the intangible of sensing pressure & doesn't slide around in the pocket well at all to buy himself & his receivers some precious extra seconds. He needs an awful lot of time to scan over his reads so we can't have him in a 5-step drop without an impervious OL. Meanwhile the pocket collapses & instead of buying some extra time he stands there & takes a sack. "

Seems like the JEts are 3rd and 5+ every game all day. Without a real running threat, it means that you have to go down the field keep making little bits of yards every play.Against lesser teams it works. There's still the nagging sense too much has to go just right every series to get in the end zone. You have to run more plays, which means there's more of a cahnce for something to go wrong.And against better defenses, like yesterday you have no room for error. And simply if the big selling point is his brains, you cannot have that lateral play go bad like that, or have any INTs. You cannot keep telling us he's so smart, and yet he gives away 10 points in a playoff game.

No matter-Mangini will make the right decision either way.

[Maxman]

Sperm,

All I'm saying is Chad really isn't the problem here.

On an unrelated sidenote you are now higher than Sperm Edwards on the mod depth chart. Yes I just said it. When you look down, you see Sperm.